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Urkl	Posted - 2004.11.02 14:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Shakul you pay 100mil+insurance for a battleship, cant you pay 5mil for a lab? Besides, you could easily be paying 1mil/day when lab prices stabilize. I'd glady pay 5M for a lab slot IF I could: #1 Use a reliable method of purchase. "Send me your isk and I'll free up a slot, honest!" just doesn't appeal to me. #2 Be assured that my 5M wouldn't be a total waste due to the infamous "unrenting bug." The problem here is more than just simple scarcity IMO. * * * * *** ** * *****.
Urkl	Posted - 2004.11.02 14:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Shakul you pay 100mil+insurance for a battleship, cant you pay 5mil for a lab? Besides, you could easily be paying 1mil/day when lab prices stabilize. I'd glady pay 5M for a lab slot IF I could: #1 Use a reliable method of purchase. "Send me your isk and I'll free up a slot, honest!" just doesn't appeal to me. #2 Be assured that my 5M wouldn't be a total waste due to the infamous "unrenting bug." The problem here is more than just simple scarcity IMO. * * * * *** ** * *****.
Drefsab	Posted - 2004.11.02 14:50:00 - [33] Edited by: Drefsab on 02/11/2004 14:55:06 Im in the same situation with one of my other accounts, bought it purely to do research and r&d agent missions but then when you finally get a slot you loose it to a bug and have a gm tell you you cant have it back. This is most annoying. As for the matter of people saying its important I beg to differ. If i play this game to sit there and research all day thats my choice and I should be able to as thats advertised as one of the things you can do as a profession. Sure I have a pvp char and I kill things and love it but there are people that dont want that and ccp shouldnt be making their chosen profession so much harder. The way I see it CCP have nerfed pirating, trading, manufacture (though this is more to do with market stagnation than anything), bounty hunting and researching. Thats a hell of a lot of things that are almost impossable to do. I see that ccp is just trying to ballence the game but they seam to be working on combat more than anything leaving out all the other professions. Adding a few more slots wont cure anything tbh though because if i dock at a station and see 10 free slots, I rent them all and distrobute them to my alt accounts and friends. "Death Before Dishonor"
Drefsab	Posted - 2004.11.02 14:50:00 - [34] Edited by: Drefsab on 02/11/2004 14:55:06 Im in the same situation with one of my other accounts, bought it purely to do research and r&d agent missions but then when you finally get a slot you loose it to a bug and have a gm tell you you cant have it back. This is most annoying. As for the matter of people saying its important I beg to differ. If i play this game to sit there and research all day thats my choice and I should be able to as thats advertised as one of the things you can do as a profession. Sure I have a pvp char and I kill things and love it but there are people that dont want that and ccp shouldnt be making their chosen profession so much harder. The way I see it CCP have nerfed pirating, trading, manufacture (though this is more to do with market stagnation than anything), bounty hunting and researching. Thats a hell of a lot of things that are almost impossable to do. I see that ccp is just trying to ballence the game but they seam to be working on combat more than anything leaving out all the other professions. Adding a few more slots wont cure anything tbh though because if i dock at a station and see 10 free slots, I rent them all and distrobute them to my alt accounts and friends. "Death Before Dishonor"
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.02 15:49:00 - [35] WTS: Lab slot in Korama, 20mil minimum. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.02 15:49:00 - [36] WTS: Lab slot in Korama, 20mil minimum. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
SithEwok	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:28:00 - [37] Lab slots are dumb. Either make infinite slots ccp, or lose them. New players comming in dont have the chance 1year vets have to research. Offices are dumb. *see above description for lab slots. This only applys to offices -------ONLY IN EMPIRE--------- <---line drawn. c? simple huh.
SithEwok	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:28:00 - [38] Lab slots are dumb. Either make infinite slots ccp, or lose them. New players comming in dont have the chance 1year vets have to research. Offices are dumb. *see above description for lab slots. This only applys to offices -------ONLY IN EMPIRE--------- <---line drawn. c? simple huh.
CmdoColin	Posted - 2004.11.03 11:46:00 - [39] Personally don't get it. If I want a lab slot in empire I get one. I've never had more than 24 hours before needing one, and getting it. I don't even look particularily hard - just find one where missions and sales and purchances take me. Either I'm monumantally lucky - but I've had about 7 lab slots like this. Audita et altera pars
CmdoColin	Posted - 2004.11.03 11:46:00 - [40] Personally don't get it. If I want a lab slot in empire I get one. I've never had more than 24 hours before needing one, and getting it. I don't even look particularily hard - just find one where missions and sales and purchances take me. Either I'm monumantally lucky - but I've had about 7 lab slots like this. Audita et altera pars
Shakul	Posted - 2004.11.03 12:11:00 - [41] Originally by: CmdoColin Personally don't get it. If I want a lab slot in empire I get one. I've never had more than 24 hours before needing one, and getting it. I don't even look particularily hard - just find one where missions and sales and purchances take me. Either I'm monumantally lucky - but I've had about 7 lab slots like this. Same here, I had 10 at one point, but lost 2 to bugs, so now i have 8. Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay.
Shakul	Posted - 2004.11.03 12:11:00 - [42] Originally by: CmdoColin Personally don't get it. If I want a lab slot in empire I get one. I've never had more than 24 hours before needing one, and getting it. I don't even look particularily hard - just find one where missions and sales and purchances take me. Either I'm monumantally lucky - but I've had about 7 lab slots like this. Same here, I had 10 at one point, but lost 2 to bugs, so now i have 8. Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay.
Kali omi	Posted - 2004.11.03 12:57:00 - [43] U are just lucky. I look for an slot now for 2 month to research some ammo and missle bps- no way to get one. For buying an slot the payback woud be gone. Also how can i be shure i get the slot when i payed 5+ mio ?? Not that BIG problem for me but annoying. For new player corps who wants to build up an corp its only frustrating- no labslots no offices. I think the older players will kill the game this way by holding all slots and offices, lots of new players will leave cause the see that they get no chanse to build something up without making the older players bigger and richer by every step.
Kali omi	Posted - 2004.11.03 12:57:00 - [44] U are just lucky. I look for an slot now for 2 month to research some ammo and missle bps- no way to get one. For buying an slot the payback woud be gone. Also how can i be shure i get the slot when i payed 5+ mio ?? Not that BIG problem for me but annoying. For new player corps who wants to build up an corp its only frustrating- no labslots no offices. I think the older players will kill the game this way by holding all slots and offices, lots of new players will leave cause the see that they get no chanse to build something up without making the older players bigger and richer by every step.
Derisor	Posted - 2004.11.03 13:02:00 - [45] Of course if you remove research are you going to refund the huge amount of hours poeple have invested in their research skills? Will they be able to re-allocate to the battleship and outgun you in a day? It seems to me it would be better to fix the system. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Derisor	Posted - 2004.11.03 13:02:00 - [46] Of course if you remove research are you going to refund the huge amount of hours poeple have invested in their research skills? Will they be able to re-allocate to the battleship and outgun you in a day? It seems to me it would be better to fix the system. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.11.04 21:57:00 - [47] kill copying, leave the research slots for research. leave the production to people who will invenst in the bpo's. -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.11.04 21:57:00 - [48] kill copying, leave the research slots for research. leave the production to people who will invenst in the bpo's. -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
Kadarin	Posted - 2004.11.05 09:01:00 - [49] Put a cap on the ME to which any given bpo can be researched, and charge some sum of isk per copy made?
Kadarin	Posted - 2004.11.05 09:01:00 - [50] Put a cap on the ME to which any given bpo can be researched, and charge some sum of isk per copy made?
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:03:00 - [51] Originally by: Ris Dnalor kill copying, leave the research slots for research. leave the production to people who will invenst in the bpo's. Allow copying, but do not let PE + ME to transfer to the copy. BPC's might still sell, but producers with BPO's will have a huge market advantage when it comes to pricing. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Ris Dnalor kill copying, leave the research slots for research. leave the production to people who will invenst in the bpo's. Allow copying, but do not let PE + ME to transfer to the copy. BPC's might still sell, but producers with BPO's will have a huge market advantage when it comes to pricing. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.

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