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Polymeric Jane	Posted - 2009.10.28 16:52:00 - [1] Hi fitting experts, at first glance, the Cerberus does not look like a particular good mission ship. However, I have been doing L4s in a Cerberus for some days now and right away liked it much better than other HACs or BSs I used so far. What is a reasonable fit for a mission Cerberus? Before you complain about the price of the fittings I suggest, remember this: - You are not likely to loose a mission ship. - If you need ISK, you can sell the modules. - A single level 4 mission yields ~ 30 mil. - Killing speed does matter much for your isk/hour! I know what it feels like doing missions in a passive drake: never ever again! - This is a mission ship: I will never ever PvP with it! I think the 3% gank implants (a 25 mil) are worth it. Fittings dps relates to a clone using them. I ignored tanking implants. I currently use this fitting: [Cerberus, PvE_Active_HML] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Price: ~450 mil (including ship) Tank: 19k EHP, 254 dps omni tank (without implants) Signature: 148m, 192m with t2 DPS: @100km 469 dmg/s with T2, 439 dmg/s with faction Speed: 219m/s Other fitting options: You will not loose too much dps if you downgrade this Cerberus to a 200 mil fitting. (2 BCU II, 1 Republic Fleet BCU (cheap) and 1 Dread Scattering Field) With insane expensive mods (Gistum A-type Medium Shield Booster) it is possible to increase the cerbs tanking abilities significantly (~ 477 dps omni) and squeeze in an other gank rig at the same time. Nevertheless, a 245 dps tank is all I have ever needed so far and fitting a cerb for 1.5 bil does not feel right. Experiences based on my current fitting and almost maxed skills: - Is the Cerbs tank strong enough? You cannot compare this ship with a mission BS. Due to its low signature, radius and relative high speed the Cerberus mitigates most damage from BSs. Fitted with a cheap complex Gistii B-type small shield booster it easily tanks multiple BSs and is able to kill the small ships that actually hit the Cerberus at a safe distance. The cool thing about the Cerberus is that you do not have to sacrifice any gank (excluding rigs) for your tank. - Is it able to kill BS fast? Half a year ago, I would say no but since then I nearly maximized my missile skills and now I am confident with my killing speed. Why do a few DPS make such a huge difference for mission speed? Unlike in PvP most (if not all) BSs have an active tank. Now considerer the following situation (numbers pulled out of my ear): Low skill Cerberus pilot shoots a BS for 350 dps effectively dealing 100 DPS due to the BSs 250 dps active tank. A high skilled pilot (450 dps) will effectively deal 200 dps to the same BS. That is twice the killing speed of the low skill pilot! Although my current fitting works well, I think it is possible to get more punch for the isk. For instance with this fitting: You can fit the same tank for a HAM-Cerberus I used for the HML fitting. However, I want to try something else: - 2 shield booster amps - 2 rigs +1 range rig +1 dps rig + LSE + AB - HMLs + HAMLs That's lot more dps than the HML fitting: - 604 dps with t2 HAMs @46.9 km and a signature of 208m. - 567 dps @52.5 km and a signature of 160m. ... and it will kill small stuff even faster! (Ev is 101 compared to 81, right?) The LSE doubles the shield buffer. The AB increases speed to 531 m/s. Only 159 dps omnitank now. hope this works.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.10.28 16:59:00 - [2] i use a cerb for missioning from time to time but ive found that this setup works best [Cerberus, missioning] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I when i got the boosters they were not very expensive perc ammo and a painter really helps on the frigs
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.28 17:04:00 - [3] Some of the OPs logic is faulty with respect to a Cerb vs BS. While a high missile skill Cerb can run missions, and it can do it much faster than a low skill cerb - its still significantly slower than a high skill CNR. If flying a Cerb on lvl 4s makes you happy then thats great. It might even be a smart choice on a few of the Quicky lvl 4s. But dont believe its as good as BS when it comes to killing stuff in a lvl 4. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lord CH0w Caldari Xenogenics	Posted - 2009.10.28 17:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Lord CH0w on 28/10/2009 17:09:22 Edited by: Lord CH0w on 28/10/2009 17:08:46 Edited by: Lord CH0w on 28/10/2009 17:08:19 Hey OP: -how You deal with scrambling/web frigs?? there are few missions where You can warp at ...km. -wouldnt it be better to fit AB instead of 1 amplifier and target painter/web instead of invulnerability field? since u will start ab'ing right after You enter mission u will mitigate most of dmg that comes from cruisers and up, small booster to keep You safe just in case, and perhaps rigor rigs to help against frigs??? just a thought edit: spelling
Polymeric Jane	Posted - 2009.10.28 17:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Ghoest If flying a Cerb on lvl 4s makes you happy then thats great. It does! Originally by: Lord CH0w -how You deal with scrambling/web frigs?? there are few missions where You can warp at ...km. -wouldnt it be better to fit AB instead of 1 amplifier and target painter/web instead of invulnerability field? since u will start ab'ing right after You enter mission u will mitigate most of dmg that comes from cruisers and up, small booster to keep You safe just in case, and perhaps rigor rigs to help against frigs??? A Cerberus is so fast at killing small stuff. You won't need a TP/web. Afaik rigor wont work with HAMs. The AB is in the 2nd fitting i suggested: [Cerberus, PvE_Active_HAM] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II 10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II [empty high slot] Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I/II
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.10.28 18:25:00 - [6] Jesus Effin Christ! Cerbs are PvP ships. Use a Drake
Axebreaker Jones	Posted - 2009.10.28 18:41:00 - [7] if you wanna do lvl 4's in a non bs ship, i'd suggest either nighthawk or tengu over the cerb
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.10.28 21:57:00 - [8] I don't want to do battleships either. But I am not maxxed on missile skills and I get 500+dps from HML drake. Heading for 800dps HAM Tengu. I see no reason to do L4's in a Cerb. It isn't the best at anything. In this case it's a low DPS cheap Tengu. When you look at the price of the modules, a mission monster Tengu fit is only 50% more expensive.
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.28 23:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Polymeric Jane Originally by: Ghoest If flying a Cerb on lvl 4s makes you happy then thats great. It does! Good for you, it's nice to see someone flying a ship for the fun of it rather than because it's got x% better spacial flange abilities :) The afterburner, LSE, small booster setup on a navy caracal is my favorite because if you screw up you will die but flown right it can tank the L4 angel extravaganza bonus room with ease. _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.28 23:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Admiral Byng I don't want to do battleships either. But I am not maxxed on missile skills and I get 500+dps from HML drake. Heading for 800dps HAM Tengu. I see no reason to do L4's in a Cerb. It isn't the best at anything. In this case it's a low DPS cheap Tengu. When you look at the price of the modules, a mission monster Tengu fit is only 50% more expensive. only 800 dps on a ham tengu, you aren't efting hard enough! or is that not kinetic damage 1k dps! (with 5% implants ofc) [Tengu, tangy] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Domination 10MN Afterburner Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Republic Fleet Target Painter Cap Recharger II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Heloise ChateauBriande	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Heloise ChateauBriande on 29/10/2009 00:08:44 I used to fly level 4 missions ships in a cerberus... simply because I was in 0.0 and it was my PVP ship as well. (I would switch out some midslot between PVP and PVE of course.) I can't recall my EXACT fit but it was something like: Highs: 5 T2 Heavy Launchers Mids: T2 LSE, T2 AB, T2 Inv hard, T2 EM hard, sm shield booster (~30M Pithi or Gistii one) Lows: 2 T2 BCU, 2 T2 PDS Rigs: warhead calefaction, and auxilliary current router? (+PG one) I liked the fit OK at the time because it worked but later on I check the EFT fits and nearly any cerb build I could come up with was barely more DPS than a Drake with less tank. So what's the point? It also salvages slower and I was actually dumb enough to lose one in a mission because I got neuted from 40km+ by some weird Blood Raiders ship or something... and it turns out you can't warp without cap. I recommend Drake but if you have to use the cerb go with its advantages and fit an AB. Oh to clarify as some other posters have said... I would actually recommend: Golem = CNR > Raven > Drake > cerb > merlin > eagle. j/k about the merlin but not kidding about the eagle (sigh, will it always be craptastic?) - Helo


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