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Mynxee Minmatar Hellcats The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:00:00 - [1] It's dumb that something as complex and wide-reaching as an alliance is easier to disband than a war dec is to get approved. I suggest that disbanding an alliance require a 24 hour vote from directors of the executor corp, similar to the vote required to approve a war dec. There may be better suggestions than this but at least this would be a good start. This may have been raised before, but I haven't seen it mentioned lately and considering what just happened with CVA, it merits some attention. Bump It! \| My Blog: Life in Low Sec
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:04:00 - [2] Supported
Vincent Gaines Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:06:00 - [3] There is no reason to have a "one click disband" option when there are so many other corporate/alliance protections. simple fix, long overdue.
Akura kawanaka Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:07:00 - [4] 100% it's silly that it's harder to execute a war dec than it is to disband a multi-thousand person alliance - didn't they say they'd fix this after BoB?
shuckstar Hauling hogs	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:15:00 - [5] You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again.
Relicc Units of Resistance The Undecided Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:17:00 - [6] __
Dagrin RDM The Leather Knights Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:27:00 - [7] very supported
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:30:00 - [8] Edited by: TeaDaze on 29/10/2009 00:30:59 At least the third time that this has happened. It takes 24 hours to drop corp roles. It takes 10 hours before you can biomass a char. It should certainly take at least 24 hours to disband an alliance and maybe 12 hours to kick a corp... Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
Rouge Trooper	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:34:00 - [9] I fully support this it's just to simple to disband a 1bil isk investment / venture 24hrs minimum waiting time atleast with a final prompt at the end
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:46:00 - [10] Yup

Alagus The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:50:00 - [11] My blog
Luniticus TheSane	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:51:00 - [12] About time.
Stinky Weasleteets	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:56:00 - [13] Long overdue
Adrielle Firewalker Amarr Will Eat Itself	Posted - 2009.10.29 00:59:00 - [14] Very much yes. ================ ~Adrielle Original MinmatarT
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:01:00 - [15] Supportings! <3 the mynx! \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Gigis Nooj KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:03:00 - [16]
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:21:00 - [17] This is the very least that needs to be done. Better yet, CCP needs to adjust a variety of mechanics to allow corps and alliances to secure their assets and organizations. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Scerolikk Teromni	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:21:00 - [18] 1. CEO of executor corp pushes "Prepare to Disband". 2. Begin 48-hour timer during which time no corps may join or leave the alliance, no alliance dues will be paid, and no wars may be declared by any participants. Alliances declaring war against this alliance during this time are notified that the war may not last long because the alliance is preparing to disband. 3. All directors of all corps in the alliance receive a mail (and perhaps an e-mail as well?) announcing the button push. 4. All CEOs are given the option to vote against the disbanning. If one-third of the CEOs vote against, the alliance must be disbanded via petition so it will be investigated by CCP and made sure that the person who pushed "the button" is the person that rightfully owns the character. 5. After the timer expires with little/no opposition, the "Disband Alliance" button activates for 24 hours. If the button isn't pushed within 24 hours, it goes away and the alliance returns to a normal state. Corp CEOs are only to oppose the disbanding if they believe the CEO of the alliance has been compromised. Seriously... of all the timers and protections that different things have for the matter of security in case of account compromise... the disbanding of an alliance should be the hardest.
Ave Volta	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:27:00 - [19] I concur with the OP...copied from my earlier post in CAOD: The ability to nullify a power structure as important as a large scale player alliance from a single account is not right within the context of the universe CCP is trying to foster in my opinion. Weather you like CVA and it's policies or not is irrelevant. This discussion should not be about politics. Likewise this is also not a condemnation of the value that espionage and covert operations play within EVE. I strongly believe that black ops politics and spy games help make EVE such a great game, and help contribute to the sense that players are the ones who control and alter the history of the universe. But if CCP wants to foster the growth of all kinds of player Alliances, security in the controls and mechanisms affecting large power structures need to be more thought out and formalized. It's not as if the CEO of a real life corporation can liquidate the company without the consent of the board. Democratic government figureheads like presidents cannot dismantle their governments with a single action without incurring retribution. Similarly there should be no such way to do a similar thing in EVE without at least a vote or formalized consent from the leaders of all the pre-determined affected parties.
Silas Sanyasi Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:35:00 - [20] 100% supported

Rettic m3 Corp Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:44:00 - [21] Supported. CCP, deploy the repair drones. __ Rettic's Log: The Chronofile Rettic on Twitter
bhalir	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:08:00 - [22] CVA
Gerard Deneth Pavlov Labs GmBH	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:13:00 - [23] Supported. We might not all have liked CVA, but if they got dropped they deserved it via being torn to shreds, not being closed like someone accidentally deleting an email. ---------------------------- The Game's always changing under your feet; don't start moaning when you get a toe caught in the gears.
Ga'len Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:24:00 - [24] We need this NOW!
OwlManAtt Yasashii Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:26:00 - [25] Supporting a corp management UI improvement despite the futility of such an action. --- Owl
Jager Da Noir. Academy	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:29:00 - [26] Supported. One person, hacked or not, shouldn't be able to disband an entire alliance instantly.
Wygg Minmatar m3 Corp Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:42:00 - [27] /signed
Wygg m3 Corp Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Wygg on 29/10/2009 02:54:10 And again, showing support this time.
Gremrod Minmatar DEEzNUTS-DzN Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:15:00 - [29] /signed!
Denovin Zyrinax Caldari Better Worlds	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:18:00 - [30] /support o/

Novon Toll	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Novon Toll on 29/10/2009 03:31:52 I support and approve this idea. Harden the F up CCP. No excuses beeyatches.
Viginti The Bastards	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:32:00 - [32] /signed
Agent Known	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:37:00 - [33] /me spends his 5 minute post token to support this product and/or service. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. inaftertimeflux
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:44:00 - [34] CCP should also pursue anyone hacking accounts for meta-gaming purposes to the full extent of the law. If CCP has trouble with having enough logs to track hackers, then they need to log more info. Anyone hacking for gaming reasons needs to be given real jail time to send a message that this isn't acceptable practice.
Jaggins Remedy Squadron	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:46:00 - [35] /signed
Richstall10 Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.10.29 03:47:00 - [36] Edited by: Richstall10 on 29/10/2009 03:53:37 /signed
maximus decemus	Posted - 2009.10.29 04:41:00 - [37]
Don Pellegrino	Posted - 2009.10.29 04:56:00 - [38]
Helicity Boson The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.29 04:56:00 - [39] indeed. stupid mechanic is stupid.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.10.29 04:57:00 - [40]

Bilbo II Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.29 05:33:00 - [41]
NaMorham Santorin Tech 1 Holdings Limited Superior Eve Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.29 05:43:00 - [42] Definately agreed. It should not be faster to disband an alliance than quit a corp
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.29 06:17:00 - [43] So when it happened to BoB it was all "Hell yeah!", but now that it has happened to CVA it is all, "Stupid game mechanic, it should be reversed and fixed!" I could give a rip about either alliance right now, but the exact same thing happened before and CCP stood by their guns. I hope they do the same here as well. Maybe if people would stop account sharing or giving too many people access to such power in a holding corp...
Gilead Pellaeon	Posted - 2009.10.29 07:07:00 - [44] /signed
Halunoto Vankaalen State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.10.29 07:23:00 - [45] +1
Aisi Shino	Posted - 2009.10.29 08:04:00 - [46] Supported
Lord Maximullis Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.29 08:06:00 - [47] yes.
Robdon	Posted - 2009.10.29 08:15:00 - [48] Edited by: Robdon on 29/10/2009 08:15:52 /signed CCP, get this done now... no, dont wait a year before you can be bothered to do it, or just ignore everyone as usual... do it in the next patch, its pathetic that such a game mechanic exists, and it should have been fixed shortly after it happened to bob.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.10.29 08:23:00 - [49] Going to war takes longer and is apparently more complex than disbanding an alliance. How is this a good mechanic?
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:05:00 - [50] Edited by: TeaDaze on 29/10/2009 09:05:27 Originally by: Marlona Sky So when it happened to BoB it was all "Hell yeah!", but now that it has happened to CVA it is all, "Stupid game mechanic, it should be reversed and fixed!" The topic is about fixing the broken mechanic that is being used to do this. It isn't about reversing the disband. I'm sure that during the BoB disband threads that the broken mechanic was discussed, but with all the lol posts it might have been missed. I seem to recall that this is at least the 3rd time this has happened, but I can't for the life of me recall who was hit before bob... Originally by: Marlona Sky I could give a rip about either alliance right now, but the exact same thing happened before and CCP stood by their guns. I hope they do the same here as well. Again we are not suggesting a rollback here. We are suggesting that the mechanic is broken where (as I understand the process) you can kick corps and then disband the alliance in minutes when you can't even resign from a corp without dropping roles, which has a 24 hour cool off period... Originally by: Marlona Sky Maybe if people would stop account sharing or giving too many people access to such power in a holding corp... I agree totally there. However there is a mechanism to stop people being kicked from a corp when they have roles and a 24 hour timer to strip their roles. There is nothing at all in place for kicking corps etc... Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4

Maxsim Goratiev Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:11:00 - [51] This is stupid, and needs to be fixed ASAP! Fix Destroyers
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:19:00 - [52] Yep, a vote by directors would be a sensible mechanic instead of click->doom. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Rouge Trooper I fully support this it's just to simple to disband a 1bil isk investment / venture 24hrs minimum waiting time atleast with a final prompt at the end CCP its ******ed not to do this.
Meldgaard Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:39:00 - [54]
San Pete	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:39:00 - [55] /signed
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Marlona Sky So when it happened to BoB it was all "Hell yeah!", but now that it has happened to CVA it is all, "Stupid game mechanic, it should be reversed and fixed!" I could give a rip about either alliance right now, but the exact same thing happened before and CCP stood by their guns. I hope they do the same here as well. Maybe if people would stop account sharing or giving too many people access to such power in a holding corp... CVA were hacked, BoB were infiltrated, huge difference. I approve of this product and/or service, 24 hour timer minimum, also how about an official alliance board of executives, that vote on such things. Not just from exec corp, but from ceo's of corps in the alliance? Anyway, supported... Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Deadstick Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.29 09:50:00 - [57] Supported
Kaiman Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2009.10.29 10:14:00 - [58] Originally by: Gerard Deneth Supported. We might not all have liked CVA, but if they got dropped they deserved it via being torn to shreds, not being closed like someone accidentally deleting an email. ...same goes for every other Ally that has been or will be closed, so please CCP fix that. Preferably sooner than soon(tm). Thus 100% supported
Carenthor Loon Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 10:21:00 - [59] I support this proposal
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Rico Minali Originally by: Marlona Sky So when it happened to BoB it was all "Hell yeah!", but now that it has happened to CVA it is all, "Stupid game mechanic, it should be reversed and fixed!" I could give a rip about either alliance right now, but the exact same thing happened before and CCP stood by their guns. I hope they do the same here as well. Maybe if people would stop account sharing or giving too many people access to such power in a holding corp... CVA were hacked, BoB were infiltrated, huge difference. I approve of this product and/or service, 24 hour timer minimum, also how about an official alliance board of executives, that vote on such things. Not just from exec corp, but from ceo's of corps in the alliance? Anyway, supported... So CCP has confirmed the account was hacked and is going to roll it back??

Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:09:00 - [61] Or you could limit who has access to the executor corp. (You're cool, here's the keys) Or you could not share accounts. (Sure! You can borrow my carrier any time you want!) Or you could not **** off people who will wait for revenge. (Did we say NRDS? Yes, but not like that ) This game mechanic is easy to protect against and has only been a problem for idiots.
DaDutchDude Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:09:00 - [62] Supported. Actions that have increasing levels on impact on characters, corps and alliances should have increasing levels of security, not less. _____________________________________ Agony Unleashed (home of PVP University)
Wollari Phoenix Industries Wicked Nation	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:10:00 - [63] Edited by: Wollari on 29/10/2009 11:11:55 Edited by: Wollari on 29/10/2009 11:10:38 The problem which most posters aren't realizing is: There's not Button "Disband Alliance", you can only kick corporations one by one until no one is left. My proposal: 1) Fast Change for Dominion: - You can only expell 1 Corporation per hour. This way a complete disband would take longer and would make it complicated do and getting uninteresting. When do you really have to kick more then 1 corp? Corps can still leave on their own without the delay (by pressing leave alliance). - Mail send to all Corporation CEOs/Directos of the Alliance that Corp XYZ has been expelled from the Alliance. 2) Longterm Change for Alliance Exucitve. - Alliance Executive Corp CEO can directly expell Corporations (1 per hour) - Directors have to make a Vote for kicking a Corporation (similar to war decs, atleast 2 directors) - Expell more Corporations per Hour: Vote Created by CEO. - Overhaul Corporation and Alliance Management Interface I think that my first point should be easy to implement without the needed overhaul of the complete alliance/corporation management interface. It reduce the risk of a sudden death of an alliance.
Escoce	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:15:00 - [64] My name is Escoce and I approve this message. /signed
Kuruaki	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:22:00 - [65] /signed
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:33:00 - [66] So, is CSM gonna bring this up to CCP or now that their free vacation is done and free subscriptions are coming to an end are they just gonna ignore the public again? Maybe we have to bribe Mazz to get here to bring this forward to CCP? CSM, what are you gonna do about this?!?!?! Also, I supported this being fixed when this happened to BoB so naturally I will be supporting this again. Even though CVA are ultra-cheating ***s when they are worried they are gonna lose space to another alliance... cough* jet canning 1000+ bookmarks from haulers during pos seiges to crash nodes cough... What you think I forgot about that? Anyways, CSM, do something to earn your salary. Thats right, us players pay CCP, who in turn pay for your free stuff. You work for us mother ****ers.
Hsu Li Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:35:00 - [67] +1
Azrael Acid Space Lobsters Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:38:00 - [68] SIGNED. I agree with all the previous ideas. Fully, 150% supported. As an aside, HACKERS are the problem. Not infiltrators. Hackers get their jollies by hacking just for the ACTION of doing it, for the choas it causes, and for the publicity it generates. So speculating on whether it should be rolled back/reversed is a moot point. The fact that it happened, and that hacking is becoming a very serious issue is what needs to be addressed. Please CCP, for all alliances everywhere. FIX IT " The only way evil can prevail, is when good men do nothing."
Lord Cath	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:46:00 - [69] it takes 10 hours to go take a crap in eve but you can disband a huge alliance with one click... it doesnt make sense, so fix it.
Kjar Achran	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:47:00 - [70]

fooMiNiOn Space Lobsters Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:52:00 - [71] Werd. Signed. FCON [Space Lobsters] Co-CEO Fleet Admiral & head diplomat
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:54:00 - [72] Should have been implemented already. -- The future is black.
De'Veldrin Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:56:00 - [73] Agreed. --Vel In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d.
authochthonian	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:17:00 - [74] Long over due change Supported/Signed
U'los Riddick	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:27:00 - [75] Definitely
High Star	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:52:00 - [76] supported
Luminus Aardokay SI Radio	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:52:00 - [77] Sensible enough
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:55:00 - [78] However it is done, this function needs a cooldown and shared authority in some fashion. Very strongly supported. Cosmo The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Cyberin Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:12:00 - [79] /signed/ Hands Off, My Loots!
LO'''''''''''''''''''''L Amarr Robber Barons Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Marlona Sky So, is CSM gonna bring this up to CCP or now that their free vacation is done and free subscriptions are coming to an end are they just gonna ignore the public again? Maybe we have to bribe Mazz to get here to bring this forward to CCP? CSM, what are you gonna do about this?!?!?! Also, I supported this being fixed when this happened to BoB so naturally I will be supporting this again. Even though CVA are ultra-cheating ***s when they are worried they are gonna lose space to another alliance... cough* jet canning 1000+ bookmarks from haulers during pos seiges to crash nodes cough... What you think I forgot about that? Anyways, CSM, do something to earn your salary. Thats right, us players pay CCP, who in turn pay for your free stuff. You work for us mother ****ers. not possible since this issue won't be 7 days old by the time the final CSM meeting happens. this is for the next CSM to handle ___________ PROUD MEMBER OF ROBBER BARONS INC.

Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:20:00 - [81] Originally by: Marlona Sky So CCP has confirmed the account was hacked and is going to roll it back?? By various accounts, yes, that's exactly the case. I am with these calls; there should be some form of timer or method to ratify this kind of action.
Pan Dora Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:20:00 - [82] _ I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game.
Farinet	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:23:00 - [83]
Resivan	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:30:00 - [84] It was lame when a disgruntled director disbanded BoB. It was lamer when a hacker disbanded CVA. The game mechanic needs fixing.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:31:00 - [85] One additional thought in support of this. At Fanfest this year, one of the big themes was social networking and building communities in EVE. If CCP think there is value in those things then they have to adequately protect them. The action with CVA is absolutely correct. Now they need to provide mechanisms to make sure people can protect their communities without having to be ultra-paranoid with absolutely everyone. Sure EVE is dark and sure trust has to mean something (which is to say, it only means something if it can be betrayed) but some things are just a nonsense on stilts. If it is wrong to let one character kill 300 ships with one weapon blast, then it's simply stupid to let one character destroy an alliance and all the history and shared investment people have in it. Cosmo The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:44:00 - [86]
Korvin	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:47:00 - [87] right about time
Ian Mantell Phoenix Industries Wicked Nation	Posted - 2009.10.29 14:25:00 - [88] Accounthacking is like ISK Selling. Destroying the fun in the game itself.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.10.29 14:41:00 - [89]
Kirith Kodachi m3 Corp Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.29 14:43:00 - [90] Should have been fixed last February.

mokmo3 Asteroid Miners Consortium Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:07:00 - [91] Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. +1 ---- New to Eve ? Eve University is there for you! Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Master Akira Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:28:00 - [92] +1
Kyra Ivanova	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:30:00 - [93] Supported.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:53:00 - [94] It's the Perfect Problem (tm). A simple to fix problem of a relatively simple mechanic that most people only know about through reading headlines, almost no knock on or side effects from implementing a tight voting system. All to fix a problem that hardly ever gets heard since it happens so rarely. And the CSM will be able to claim credit for putting the Virtual Gun(tm) to CCPs head over it and all along CCP know that they just got some junior monkey who didn't stand a chance of being in the HTFU video to knock up a little vote window, and they made the CSM and it's myriad of fevered fanboiz feel like it was actually relevant and important. One Perfect Problem (tm). May there be many more, just like it. --- WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report.
Sinsong	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:09:00 - [95] /signed
Mitsuki deLune	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:10:00 - [96] Absolutely!
TenTaxi	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:11:00 - [97] Edited by: TenTaxi on 29/10/2009 16:10:47 +1
Jarvis Hellstrom The Flying Tigers Elysium.	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:13:00 - [98] Absolutely - much better control is needed for something as complex as an Alliance. Personally, I like the idea that as long as an Alliance has members (and their fees are paid) that the Alliance stays. The only way to 'end it' would be for all members to leave or the bills to be unpaid. Of course in this case you would need a solid mechanism for preventing the "Kick everyone and then leave to close it" method - so kicking perhaps should be something that requires more than one person and a timer if the vote isn't unanimous. My .02 ISK anyhow. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
Asuri Kinnes The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:47:00 - [99] Supported.
Hun Jakuza 24th Imperial Guard	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:53:00 - [100] not suported meta gaming is a feature and i wanna see alliance disbands like BoB and CVA :DDDDDD

Tellenta Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:02:00 - [101] Edited by: Tellenta on 29/10/2009 17:02:17 Supported, but this really shouldn't be an issue the CSM needs to bring up. CCP had their warning shot with bob now there is no excuse it is just laziness there has been several patches since bob got the axe working a 'fix' in there somewhere should have been a self initiated task not something you need to work through the gamer geek bureaucracy.
Amy Garzan The Warp Rats Core Factor	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:51:00 - [102] /signed 101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything
Orokar Blane Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:56:00 - [103] Fully supported
Song Li MinmaTire Corporation LTD	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:19:00 - [104] Completely supported. The whole alliance/corp interface needs a complete overhaul.. takes 24 to leave a corp, but 0 minutes to delete an alliance.. Check out, Missions Collide, the official podcast of the HelpMyMission channel http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=328905582[img]http://www.missionscollide.com/wp
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:38:00 - [105] Add allowing people the option to elect to takeover the alliance when the executor has decided to use the disband option. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:38:00 - [106] Absolutely not. How else will I get tons of absolutely hilarious threads to troll?
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:54:00 - [107] Yes. _
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:15:00 - [108] Supported
Furb Killer	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:48:00 - [109] This is first step, but there should be more ways corporations and alliances can secure their assets.
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:56:00 - [110] The issue isn't that metagaming is bad. To the contrary I think that it is amazing that we have people that care so much about EVE and playing that they spend years to build themselves into an alliance only to wreak havoc (hacking is different). I think though that with the current mechanic they are able to wreak WAY too much havoc. Theres nothing wrong with a spy throwing a wrench into the cogs, but to be able to throw the entire machine out the window and ship it to Antarctica without anyone noticing seems a little extreme. All we ask for is better management tools for something as complex as alliances so that all the eggs aren't in one basket. Yes spies can still do damage internally, but the ability for ONE PERSON to close out an entire alliance is a bit ridiculous.

Mr Intel	Posted - 2009.10.29 20:55:00 - [111] Originally by: Hun Jakuza not suported meta gaming is a feature and i wanna see alliance disbands like BoB and CVA :DDDDDD 2/10 for effect 7/10 for effort Overall = 4/10 Thank you, please troll again. ---------------------------------- Support, As the BoB episode and now CVA has shown, there is somthing broken when an alliance can just "dissapear" in 30 seconds. Plus, recovering from somthing like this can take weeks (for sov re-gains) and billions of isks (for re-creating the alliance, jobs, outposts, ect.)
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:29:00 - [112] While the drama is always entertaining, the mechanic doesn't seem like a good one. This becomes even more obvious when you compare the effort needed to disband an alliance to the effort needed do much simpler things. They often have timers/require voting, so it seems intuitive, that actions with greater affects would require similar safeguards at minimum. A high level traitor could still cause critical damage and would remain very useful to the enemy, so you would still need to maintain high security, but the shenanigans would stay at a more reasonable level.
Bel'shamharoth	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:29:00 - [113] /supported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not a fig plucker or a fig plucker's son, but I'll pluck figs till the fig plucking's done.
Kafkan	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:54:00 - [114] Please fix it!
Saerynn Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:59:00 - [115]
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.30 01:26:00 - [116] This really has to be done. I am supporting this.
NaMorham Santorin Caldari Tech 1 Holdings Limited Superior Eve Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.30 04:25:00 - [117] Originally by: CommanderData211 All we ask for is better management tools for something as complex as alliances so that all the eggs aren't in one basket. Yes spies can still do damage internally, but the ability for ONE PERSON to close out an entire alliance is a bit ridiculous. I'm all for a change to the mechanics, but there should still be a case where this can happen. If an alliance could have a board of directors, each with an allocation of votes per director, then you can still have a dictatorship, there is no rule saying you must have more than one director. If in the case of many directors an infiltrator can get themselves in a position where they control the majority of votes (based on a share, not the number of directors) then well done, and much more impressive. Any alliance that wont give other directors some voting share has to be aware that there is one person who can take it down. Leave it open to choice. If you want to run a dictatorship then you can, if you want to ensure there is oversight and checks in place to stop this, also fine.
Ahsekuaw House of Flying Daggers The Ancients.	Posted - 2009.10.30 05:29:00 - [118] Agreed.
Koyama Ise Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2009.10.30 06:26:00 - [119] The alliance mechanic should be more symbolic and ease the GUI rather than provide weakness to the system. It would be better if the alliance cannot be disbanded and members could only be kicked through majority votes, unless the alliance is specifically totalitarian. Also the fact that Internet Spaceships IS serious ****ing business means that there will eventually be situations where people start paying RL money in order to get an alliance disbanded. Removing this meta-gaming strategy will allow for alliances to properly be destroyed and will make for many more Epic battles. The whole BoB disband thing is not really respectable as it was not a gruelling battle of the forces but rather a sly deception and lack of trust. The CVA disband was the result of an outright hack, anything and everything they lost was due to something that was not just at all. ______________________________ I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.10.30 07:10:00 - [120] It was kind of amusing the first time, but still stupid. If it's going to continue though, the mechanic needs changing ASAP. Supported.

Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.10.30 08:40:00 - [121] Pretty please with sugar on top. CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.10.30 09:08:00 - [122] +1 --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Cozmik R5 Dock 94	Posted - 2009.10.30 09:35:00 - [123] Edited by: Cozmik R5 on 30/10/2009 09:36:33 This is more important than pretty planets and fancy supercaps. Listen to your own advice CCP, and harden the **** up* *funny how you mute your own slogan... ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Hallan Turrek Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.30 10:34:00 - [124] OH YEAH! ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts Check out my blog.
Ku'Nari Skywall	Posted - 2009.10.30 15:14:00 - [125] Thumbs Up
Dex Kivuli Xerxes Security	Posted - 2009.10.30 15:40:00 - [126] +1
Patapoff 7th Sense Manifest Destiny.	Posted - 2009.10.30 17:11:00 - [127] Supported 100%
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.30 18:42:00 - [128] Yes. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
Aliesha Jacobi	Posted - 2009.10.30 19:02:00 - [129] Fully support 100%
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2009.10.30 19:42:00 - [130] Edited by: Fille Balle on 30/10/2009 19:43:31 I've given this a lot of thought, and suddenly I had to laugh when I thought of the movie: "the emperors new groove" The following scene plays out: Esmaralda: Pull the lever! Cronk: pulls lever Esmaralda: Wrong lever! <a few seconds later> Esmaralda: removes crokodile from buttocks why do we even have that lever? And I think that pretty much sums it up. Why do we even have that button? I'm sort of trying to imagine someone going: "Oh! So that's how you create an alliance. Well, that was fun. Good to know! disband aw dang, I shoulda saved that! I could a' made some money off a that! Dang man! A ding dang doo!" Not likely. So come on folks, why do we even have that button? Edit: and if it's so useful, where's my "disband corp button"?

Exie Phantasmal Collective Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.10.30 19:58:00 - [131] Supported E... We be Jammin'
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.30 20:23:00 - [132] Mynxee made out with me to get my support ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Nero Prime Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.10.30 20:32:00 - [133] +1 Your signature image is too large. Please ensure that it is no larger than 400x120, 24000 bytes. - Fallout
Orree Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.30 21:48:00 - [134] Supported. ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Natalia Kovac Phoenix Tribe Cult of War	Posted - 2009.10.30 23:44:00 - [135] Signed.
Olozim	Posted - 2009.10.31 00:28:00 - [136] /signed
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.31 02:32:00 - [137] Originally by: Fille Balle Edited by: Fille Balle on 30/10/2009 19:43:31 I've given this a lot of thought, and suddenly I had to laugh when I thought of the movie: "the emperors new groove" The following scene plays out: Esmaralda: Pull the lever! Cronk: pulls lever Esmaralda: Wrong lever! <a few seconds later> Esmaralda: removes crokodile from buttocks why do we even have that lever? And I think that pretty much sums it up. Why do we even have that button? I'm sort of trying to imagine someone going: "Oh! So that's how you create an alliance. Well, that was fun. Good to know! disband aw dang, I shoulda saved that! I could a' made some money off a that! Dang man! A ding dang doo!" Not likely. So come on folks, why do we even have that button? Edit: and if it's so useful, where's my "disband corp button"? itt: people who don't understand how it works making dumb analogies
Mortis Aguila Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2009.10.31 02:43:00 - [138] Git 'er done! ------------------------------------------- REALITY.DAT not found. Rebooting the universe.
Flynn Fetladral BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:46:00 - [139] Supported
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2009.10.31 18:24:00 - [140] Originally by: Dianeces itt: people who don't understand how it works making dumb analogies Who said analogy? I just happened to think of that scene when I realized that it's harder to disband a corp than an alliance. To disband an alliance you just click the button. To disband a corp, you need to kick all the members fisrt, and then right click, close corp. Takes a lot more effort than: "whoops, ah well, didn't want that alliance anyways".

Dani Leone How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb	Posted - 2009.10.31 19:04:00 - [141]
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.31 21:19:00 - [142] Originally by: Fille Balle Originally by: Dianeces itt: people who don't understand how it works making dumb analogies Who said analogy? I just happened to think of that scene when I realized that it's harder to disband a corp than an alliance. To disband an alliance you just click the button. To disband a corp, you need to kick all the members fisrt, and then right click, close corp. Takes a lot more effort than: "whoops, ah well, didn't want that alliance anyways". this post is so v. funny, but i doubt you would understand why
Arengor Glittering Dust Wild Hunt.	Posted - 2009.10.31 22:42:00 - [143] It's high time to do so.
Sakco Eve University	Posted - 2009.10.31 23:33:00 - [144] /signed
Jubal Sexton Liberty Storm Unorthodox Solution	Posted - 2009.11.01 02:49:00 - [145] For the sake of humanity why hasn't this been fixed yet? I fully support this proposal
Elukka	Posted - 2009.11.01 18:32:00 - [146] Yup.
Ketora Kitana Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.01 20:54:00 - [147] No brainer from my pov
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.11.01 22:38:00 - [148] supporting change ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Tarac Nor Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:41:00 - [149] Supported
Stalina Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:42:00 - [150] Edited by: Stalina on 02/11/2009 08:41:42 this is so 2008. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Kushan Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.11.02 09:08:00 - [151] I like how I can dissolve an alliance in seconds as a director, but I can't apply to join another one. A CEO has to do that. The current mechanics are silly and make no sense.
Azual Skoll Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.02 13:58:00 - [152] Supporting this ______________________________________ Azual Skoll - Agony Unleashed PvP-Uni Admin
Warg Matar Thukk U	Posted - 2009.11.02 15:49:00 - [153] Mynxee is the best!
Cayrus Chumly Incorporated Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2009.11.03 03:35:00 - [154] /supported
Nekre	Posted - 2009.11.05 13:17:00 - [155] /signed
Larg Kellein Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:59:00 - [156] /signed. It's monumentally stupid that unlocking a blueprint takes a vote, dropping corp if you can so much as see the contents of a hangar takes 24 hours, but you can disband an alliance in the number of mouseclicks corresponding to the number of corporations in the alliance.
ChromoZ Sanction.	Posted - 2009.11.06 09:29:00 - [157] Edited by: ChromoZ on 06/11/2009 09:29:35 /signed
Amy Wang	Posted - 2009.11.06 21:35:00 - [158] signed make it even 72h tbh
Alvar Kesh Ealurian Wolves Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.11.10 14:47:00 - [159] /supported
Cearain	Posted - 2009.11.10 20:33:00 - [160] supported

Boris Borison SDL Enterprises Ltd	Posted - 2009.11.10 22:57:00 - [161]
Souvera Corvus SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.11 03:01:00 - [162]
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.11 08:50:00 - [163] Now that we've made use of this loophole to win, please close it to prevent others using it against us or our friends! Thanks CCP ^_^
Xoth Freefall New Horizon Industries	Posted - 2009.11.12 20:26:00 - [164] support
Aluin Chaput Mort's Navy	Posted - 2009.11.12 20:33:00 - [165] Supported, great idea. Even though it makes future alliance disbanding tricks like The Mittani's almost impossible.
Jameroz Echoes of Space	Posted - 2009.11.12 21:14:00 - [166]
Xydros	Posted - 2009.11.12 22:51:00 - [167]
La Merovingian Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:05:00 - [168] Supported.
Silent Sadist Republic University	Posted - 2009.11.13 12:23:00 - [169]
IlluminatedOne Tycho Brahe Fan Club	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:56:00 - [170] +1

Sabbat Martyr Judean Suicide Industrialists	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:46:00 - [171] Supported. This is something that should have been thought of and implemented in the very beginning of this game. 'The views that I express are mine and mine alone. Not my corps', nor my alliance if applicable.'
Impolite Andevil The Shadow Knights	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:47:00 - [172] Supported
Ulstan	Posted - 2009.11.13 19:38:00 - [173] This seems like a fairly obvious fix.
Max Torps eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.15 12:59:00 - [174] Supported.
Vecati Pelican.	Posted - 2009.11.15 13:54:00 - [175] /signed
Zargyl Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 08:08:00 - [176] supported as well
Wolfgan Boisvert	Posted - 2009.11.16 13:43:00 - [177] This needs to be implemented yesterday.
Vestus Regula The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:23:00 - [178] I wonder why we even have to bother on asking this one; should be part of core design tbh.
Lady Aunia	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:27:00 - [179] Yup, please do.
Chi Garu Vampyre Empire	Posted - 2009.11.17 07:49:00 - [180] Supported.

Aluthin Squires of the Roundtable KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.17 13:00:00 - [181] /signed
Cerui Tarshiel Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.19 09:24:00 - [182] /signed
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2009.11.19 15:38:00 - [183]
Carai an'Caldazar Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.19 17:00:00 - [184] /signed ~Carai an'Caldazar~ ~Carai an'Ellisande~ -- Dawn of a new Empire --
William Pierce Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.19 20:21:00 - [185] Fix it please
Reverend Book	Posted - 2009.11.20 22:18:00 - [186] Just, /signed. Can't be any clearer a proposal or reason for it.
Kruzenshtern Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.11.20 23:32:00 - [187]
Berendas Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.21 01:14:00 - [188] Supported, it just seems idiotic that a mechanic like this isn't in game already.
Merlay Alesek	Posted - 2009.11.21 04:08:00 - [189] please add this or something similar :)
RicingStar Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.21 15:23:00 - [190] Live one day at a time.

Imiarr Timshae Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2009.11.21 17:24:00 - [191] Originally by: Ga'len We need this NOW! We needed this a year ago.
Miss Artica Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.11.21 20:09:00 - [192] Supported!
Weynard SteelVipers Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.11.21 20:16:00 - [193] Supported. Originally by: Invictusletum Originally by: Weynard http://i34.tinypic.com/r8yqsj.jpg no comment Now that was quick. Even for the standard of the internets. Thats Germanys Fall Holidays for you :P
small chimp	Posted - 2009.11.22 22:27:00 - [194] i am sure that ccp doesnt support this
Frug Omega Wing	Posted - 2009.11.23 01:31:00 - [195] Poor bob. Poor CVA. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Lusulpher Blackwater Syndicate Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.23 03:11:00 - [196] Why do we need to vote on this still? A RL spy cannot disband a nation singlehandedly...he needs high level cohorts, multiple cohorts/agents. Only through verbal persuasion, bribes, deception of multiple people, shoul that be capable. That's a multi-vote feature by default based on RL "lore". And a real bounty hunter system to hunt down these agents would be amazing. Maybe can't sell/trade character until bounty is paid to a licensed bounty officer? See how Dog: The Bounty Hunter is now part of our game? Make it so. 7
Fransua Universal Exports Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.23 11:34:00 - [197] Supported!
Myrkala Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.11.23 17:19:00 - [198] THUMBS UP. - NO SPLIT WEAPON BONUSES ON THE NAGLFAR PLEASE!
Angelica Good	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:04:00 - [199] Supported.
c0olGuY77	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:51:00 - [200] /signed

Neu Bastian Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:58:00 - [201] /s Quote: Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
Belmarduk Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.12.04 18:26:00 - [202] Mainchar:
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.04 23:27:00 - [203] -------------------------------------------
Kelli Sunweaver United Minmatar Nation Industries Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:21:00 - [204] thumbs up this should of been looked into long long ago
Swearte Widfarend Aurora Security Art of Defiance	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:16:00 - [205] Regardless of mechanics, a cool-down timer and evemail to executor corp directors.
Helen Highwater Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.14 19:27:00 - [206] Not supported. It's the wrong solution to the wrong problem. There is no 'disband alliance' button, you kick corps until there is no-one in the alliance except the executor. It should always be possible to lock down rogue corps and kick them from the alliance before they can do damage, what's needed is a better way of managing that than the current implementation. Bear in mind that the potential damage is more than simply role abuse, it bleeds over into other areas that can't really be addressed by mechanics - such as trust and misinformation. You can strip an individual's roles and kick him 24 hours later because there's not so much damage he can do in that time as a single person with (presumably) limited access to anything important. If you lock down an entire corp in that way however you open yourself to problems with misunderstandings, allies not getting the 'don't trust these guys they are getting kicked' messages and a massive potential for drama during whatever pre-kicking period you have. Far better from an alliance-leader's point of view to simply cut them loose and set them red, that way there's much less chance of problems and everyone can see exactly where they stand. So, while I agree that a single individual shouldn't be able to disband an alliance, I don't agree with any of the solutions put forwards in this thread. -------------------------------------------------------------- Let's not and say we did.
Everseeker United Corporate Ventures	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:42:00 - [207] Oh yeah EverSeeker
Rpeg Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.16 23:05:00 - [208] so is ccp going to do this? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Avatoin	Posted - 2009.12.19 19:37:00 - [209] /Supported I didn't know about CVA but the first thing that came to mind when I read the title was BOB. It should be a timer and a vote at least.
Iltarus Almondis Minelands HELM Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.21 21:27:00 - [210] /Signed

Voddick	Posted - 2009.12.22 08:43:00 - [211] Originally by: TeaDaze Edited by: TeaDaze on 29/10/2009 00:30:59 At least the third time that this has happened. It takes 24 hours to drop corp roles. It takes 10 hours before you can biomass a char. It should certainly take at least 24 hours to disband an alliance and maybe 12 hours to kick a corp... This ^^ the whole BOB thing was before my time. However, it was still ridiculous to read about. Now with a CVA hack on top, things need to be done.
Detria XII Legion	Posted - 2009.12.23 20:56:00 - [212] /signed
Xavier Delgado	Posted - 2009.12.23 20:57:00 - [213] this...
Jreedar Taree Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.23 20:58:00 - [214]
Kainan Nishon Caldari XII Legion	Posted - 2009.12.23 21:01:00 - [215] /signed
Osanna Discordia	Posted - 2009.12.23 21:02:00 - [216] /signed
Lan Staz	Posted - 2010.01.19 20:18:00 - [217] Yep
NightmareX Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.24 14:59:00 - [218] Supported Director of Infinitus Odium.
GFRoSTY Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.24 15:36:00 - [219] +1 supported
Theac Osiris The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.24 16:11:00 - [220] What happened to BoB is a travesty. They might not have been a well-liked alliance, but to have an entire alliance destroyed because of a single defector is just ridiculous. ______________________________________________ Missions. They're like mining, but with guns.

Alhambra Rainwalker Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.24 17:53:00 - [221] Supported, this "mechanic" is really stupid at the moment.


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