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KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.11.04 17:07:00 -
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I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
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Muuranda
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:33:00 -
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Well the unusual aspect of such a thing is exactly what attracted me to the thought of it.
I can understand why its difficult for pirate corps to grow beyond a certain member size when they focus their activities on a certain point of space. If a ring of pirates camps/patrols a handful of systems connecting to high sec obviously after so many memebers they are going to become saturated.
The point of an alliance (I would think) would be to organize the turf of each corporation so they all are more efficient over all together. Corporation XYZ is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec A, while Corporation ABC is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec B. Both Corporations agree not to step on each others toes and steal juicy kills/ransoms from the others space lanes and reserve rights to camp their gates. At the same time, they agree to fight together to push out other pirate groups that encroach on each others turf. You multiple this to a dozen corporations and suddenly a single Pirate Alliance entity could potentially efficiently control the pirating of mass chunks of low sec single handily. (To the point perhaps that they could negotiation from a better position ransoms for access to such low sec for carrier logistics and what not.)
The corporations would individually pirate their own space the majority of the time, but band together for larger fleets to push out rivals or large anti-pirate corps/sov alliances that are being pests. Larger capital fleets could be put together as well when the need arises (like if a single pirate corp was hot dropped) making them a force to be encountered. The small print would be not to do this regularly though, only when needed, as they are not a sov alliance, but still pirates.
As far as disagreements regarding the turf of corporations the Alliance would offer a median of settling such disputes, as surely such things would arise. When member corps do become saturated with memebers the Alliance could organize and control the expansion of a corp's turf so rather than being too big, they merely pirate more space efficiently and can continue to grow. All the while the Alliance's 'controlled' chunk of low sec expands.
I do realize the parallelism to this and sov alliances, but the application is different I hope in that the Alliance is not interested in actual sov (obviously its low sec) or even moons for that matter, just very low rates of pirate competition taking kills.
Now I know this wouldn't be for every pirate corporation, many are simply too independent and rogue. It would take pirate corporations that appreciate organization and hold a business attitude for their work and are interested in more than simple greifing.
The whole idea is an application of professionalism and a business mind to the normally random art of pirating. Again, it certainly wouldn't be for every pirate, perhaps not even the majority of them, but for some, I think it could have some cool potential.
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Jessica Lorelei
Minmatar
Decimus Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Muuranda
Well the unusual aspect of such a thing is exactly what attracted me to the thought of it.
I can understand why its difficult for pirate corps to grow beyond a certain member size when they focus their activities on a certain point of space. If a ring of pirates camps/patrols a handful of systems connecting to high sec obviously after so many memebers they are going to become saturated.
The point of an alliance (I would think) would be to organize the turf of each corporation so they all are more efficient over all together. Corporation XYZ is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec A, while Corporation ABC is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec B. Both Corporations agree not to step on each others toes and steal juicy kills/ransoms from the others space lanes and reserve rights to camp their gates. At the same time, they agree to fight together to push out other pirate groups that encroach on each others turf. You multiple this to a dozen corporations and suddenly a single Pirate Alliance entity could potentially efficiently control the pirating of mass chunks of low sec single handily. (To the point perhaps that they could negotiation from a better position ransoms for access to such low sec for carrier logistics and what not.)
The corporations would individually pirate their own space the majority of the time, but band together for larger fleets to push out rivals or large anti-pirate corps/sov alliances that are being pests. Larger capital fleets could be put together as well when the need arises (like if a single pirate corp was hot dropped) making them a force to be encountered. The small print would be not to do this regularly though, only when needed, as they are not a sov alliance, but still pirates.
As far as disagreements regarding the turf of corporations the Alliance would offer a median of settling such disputes, as surely such things would arise. When member corps do become saturated with memebers the Alliance could organize and control the expansion of a corp's turf so rather than being too big, they merely pirate more space efficiently and can continue to grow. All the while the Alliance's 'controlled' chunk of low sec expands.
I do realize the parallelism to this and sov alliances, but the application is different I hope in that the Alliance is not interested in actual sov (obviously its low sec) or even moons for that matter, just very low rates of pirate competition taking kills.
Now I know this wouldn't be for every pirate corporation, many are simply too independent and rogue. It would take pirate corporations that appreciate organization and hold a business attitude for their work and are interested in more than simple greifing.
The whole idea is an application of professionalism and a business mind to the normally random art of pirating. Again, it certainly wouldn't be for every pirate, perhaps not even the majority of them, but for some, I think it could have some cool potential.
awesome idea, probably fail before it starts due to aforementioned reasons.
makes perfect business sense though.
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Natasja Podinski
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: KapnKaboom
I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
lol! megawrong!
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Meagun
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Posted - 2009.11.06 01:37:00 -
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I don't know about it failing before it started, that seems a bit extreme. I think the difficulties would arise as the alliance grew and corporations became unhappy with their limited roles/turfs and wouldn't come to agreements.
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Bulllrock
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Posted - 2009.11.06 02:29:00 -
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Theres several big pirate alliances floating about.
But not as many as there could be, due to aforementioned reasons. Pirates tend to be an untrusting lot, and only stay as long as the action is good.
Chain of Chaos is a big time pirate alliance in Amarr lowsec. The prowl the area around Menai and Fensi and such, down along that pipe.
Idle Empire is a big one, and if VETO is still poaching the spaceways they're a huge one. I've sorta been out of the loop, so no idea if VETO is still around, or still pirating.
UPS is another big one in Amarr lowsec, no idea if they're still around or if they've moved, I haven't seen them in a long time.
I'm sure theres others, those are just the ones I know.
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Thingymawotzit
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.11.06 03:44:00 -
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I hear theres this pirate alliance called neg ten and they kill stuff
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.11.06 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: KapnKaboom
I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
Show me a carrier running a mission and I'll show you a group of cooperating pirates..
Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first. |
Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.11.06 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: KapnKaboom
I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
Show me a carrier running a mission and I'll show you a group of cooperating pirates..
Ill take a screenshot next time I do a L5 for new implants. Ill also take a screenshoot next time the local pirates once again gets 150+ capital ships into one fight. I guess you will have to wait 2-4 weeks for both.
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fazeley
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.11.06 08:15:00 -
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To the OP, the best thing you can possibly do is pour yourself a big stiff drink , light a cigar and spend a relaxing hour or two perusing the killboards of some of the organisations mentioned in this thread.
Your patience will most surely be rewarded, all of your questions will be answered 
Mind you, this exercise will maybe raise a whole load of other questions.
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Mutnin
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.06 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bulllrock
and if VETO is still poaching the spaceways they're a huge one. I've sorta been out of the loop, so no idea if VETO is still around, or still pirating.
That would be a big, Yes they are.. 
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Villwrath
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.11.06 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: KapnKaboom
I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
I don't believe the words 'you have any clue what your talking about' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort.
I don't post often, so if I do post, that just means you've hit a new level of stupidity and I was left with absolutely no choice in the matter.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.11.06 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Guru
how about those Bastards guys/girls.. I dont know anything about them but I see there recruitment posts all the time?
We only accept members not corps.
z0de!!!! say hi to ronindata for me
Originally by: Azirapheal
i never ever thought id live to see the day.... that titans were nerfed for being FOTM HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
SoonÖ
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MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.06 13:30:00 -
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BYDI - Caldari/Gallete FW terrorist
Dead Terrorists - Haligur ****trainc
Veto - Like gallente low-sec as far as I know
There's some crappier groups that sprout up; recently saw Chain of Chaos near Fensi but they're not all too talented. S****are terrible and seen them move twice or 3 times over the summer.
There was this really cool alliance locking down amamake for 6 months before the summer but then the CEO and directors decided they needed to go outside, ******s...
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.11.06 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Some Words
Hi MG.. So you finally made it in to PL.. That was only what... 8-10 months in the making???
Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first. |
Nyxster
Gallente
Gatecrashers
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.11.06 14:50:00 -
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WTF is also this talk of trying to compare S****to PL et al?
of course we are a disorganized rabble of nomarks, thats the reason we pirate and terrorize, if we were any good at this **** and wanted a (reasonably) fair fight we'd all turn pro and join noir.
The reason we signed up for S****was they were all in our TZ and a very chilled out bunch, i would rather have 40 useless brosefs in my own TZ to go out and have some fun with than a 400 man leet alliance full of emos who take all this **** far too seriously for a video game.
If SC.UM are a useless rabble its because we choose to just treat this as havin a larf and a bit of yarr and we didn't want moar boring pos bashing, supporting wealthy alliances moon-goo addiction or constant napfests.
So to the OP, whats in it for Pirate Alliances?
Well contrary to belief not every alliance has to be about holding sov, having a load of moons, a omgwtfpwncapfleet and blob of 400. Sometimes its just like a social outfit for a loose knit bunch of like minded people who are united by a single aim such as mischief, most pirate corps are generally small rag-tag bunches as pointed out earlier there isn't enough trade to support a huge blob fleet and ofc the whole point of being a PVP pirate is to avoid alliance blobwarfare, being in alliance gives you some brosefs to play with when your own gang are otherwise occupied.
Everytime i read these sort of threads that point out that XYZ corp is fail because its not PL, AAA or FOTM alliance - it should occur to people that being a minion cog in a huge alliance machine isn't for everyone regardless of their KB stats. if we are ****, we are ****, but we will enjoy being **** which is better than being successfully miserable :)
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Mark Louis
Minmatar
Cartel Assessment Branch
The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.06 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mark Louis on 06/11/2009 21:40:59
Back on topic ha ;)
Just giving an example, Blood Money Cartel uses a hierarchical system of corps in an Alliance.
I.e, The Blood Money Cartel is an Alliance consisting of the following corps:
Cartel Assessment Branch: All new members spend a month in here. You must meet certain number of points by PvP kills, ransoms, etc.
Blood Money Bootcamp : If you meet the certain requirements in the Assessment branch (which is really nothing more than to ensure you are active), you will spend time here. You have 8 months to get the required skills trained (which are mostly support skills you should get anyway... Elec 5, Eng 5, etc etc), have a certain number of solo ransoms/kills, etc.
Blood Money Inc : If you get the necessary skills, meet the requirements of isk ransomed value, total kills, etc etc, and are nominated by a member within 8 months, you will then be accepted into Blood Money Inc, which is the parent corp.
In essence, as others have pointed out, we do not recruit corps. Just members. The overall Alliance allows us filter people by activity, skill, etc. It works, and gives members something to work towards and shoot for (no pun intended).
If you are looking to gt into Piracy, feel free to check out Skira Ranos' Beginner's Guide to Piracy. He is the HMFIC over Blood Money, and knows his stuff :) Promotes small gang PvP, etc.
Good luck :)
EDIT: typo.
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Vonlin
Twisted Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.12 07:00:00 -
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Wants to hear how this was resolved?
And hey grimpak!
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