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Muuranda	Posted - 2009.10.30 18:18:00 - [1] The topic says it all.
Amarrian Magnum	Posted - 2009.10.30 18:59:00 - [2] ok
Siangi	Posted - 2009.10.30 19:25:00 - [3] There is a buffet table somewhere
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.10.31 08:53:00 - [4] Nah I'm serious, I really don't know what there is for pirating on an alliance level in eve and was hoping the good people of C&P would shine some light on the topic.
Graic Gabtar	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:17:00 - [5] Talk like a pirate day?
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 31/10/2009 09:35:11 Pirates have lost their aggressive edge. I remember when people just engaged to instill fear in people that fly around in their area. Now its, 5 billion scouts, numbers game with ECM/logistic support. I remember when pirates had balls. Been a while, RIP old days. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 31/10/2009 09:35:11 Pirates have lost their aggressive edge. I remember when people just engaged to instill fear in people that fly around in their area. Now its, 5 billion scouts, numbers game with ECM/logistic support. I remember when pirates had balls. Been a while, RIP old days. People have been complaining about how much better things were in the old days since beta, when devs would sit around going "things aren't like they were in the alpha, people just haven't got any balls anymore". Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:51:00 - [8] Well, were getting closer to what I wanted to talk about.
The'Best Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.10.31 09:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Jonny 101 People have been complaining about how much better things were in the old days since beta, when devs would sit around going "things aren't like they were in the alpha, people just haven't got any balls anymore". This, basically. I started in 2006 and I've heard on a weekly basis since I started that "things arent what they used to be". ALEKSEYEV KARRDE FOR CSM
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.11.02 18:52:00 - [10] Well I know of at least SCUM, is there any other groups like that?
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.11.02 18:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Siangi There is a buffet table somewhere A buffet with eye patchs, wenches amd other assorted pirate stuffs.
Martimus28	Posted - 2009.11.02 19:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Muuranda Well I know of at least SCUM, is there any other groups like that? LOL. Calling S****an organized pirate alliance. Classic.
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Martimus28 Originally by: Muuranda Well I know of at least SCUM, is there any other groups like that? LOL. Calling S****an organized pirate alliance. Classic. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to your alternative view of existing organized pirate alliances?
Guru Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:45:00 - [14] how about those Bastards guys/girls.. I dont know anything about them but I see there recruitment posts all the time? "Mind Over Matter: If I don't mind, it don't matter." WWW.EVE-WOOPATANG.COM
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:29:00 - [15] I think a lot of pirate corps like smaller scale pvp, and their outfits tend to be sized to accomodate that. Too many friends also means less people to shoot at, since 99% of high-sec dwellers fear to tread in lowsec (giant FW blobs not withstanding)
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:34:00 - [16] Originally by: jimmyjam Originally by: Siangi There is a buffet table somewhere A buffet with eye patchs, wenches amd other assorted pirate stuffs. And jugs of mead! Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
z0de The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Guru how about those Bastards guys/girls.. I dont know anything about them but I see there recruitment posts all the time? We only accept members not corps. á á
Martimus28	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Muuranda Originally by: Martimus28 Originally by: Muuranda Well I know of at least SCUM, is there any other groups like that? LOL. Calling S**an organized pirate alliance. Classic. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to your alternative view of existing organized pirate alliances? Spretty much broke up about a month ago, mostly because they were very poorly organized. Some of their members joined our alliance, and they are amazed at the difference between the two. I am just saying that I wouldn't fret much when you come accross a S**gang. If you are at all organized, you will probably do pretty well. Go to some of the regions where they used to live, and you will find much stronger, more organized pirate alliances. Mine has around 600 members, and does around 15B in damage a week (on average), yet we are a relatively small alliance compared to others. Just like in gang warfare, most of the large pirate alliances spend most of their time attacking each other. This is just because it is much more fun to attack a large fleet of combat ships, than to gank helpless carebears/missioners. We generally look for people who will fight back, since that is where the fun part of PvP is.
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.11.03 01:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Martimus28 Originally by: Muuranda Originally by: Martimus28 Originally by: Muuranda Well I know of at least SCUM, is there any other groups like that? LOL. Calling S**an organized pirate alliance. Classic. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to your alternative view of existing organized pirate alliances? Spretty much broke up about a month ago, mostly because they were very poorly organized. Some of their members joined our alliance, and they are amazed at the difference between the two. I am just saying that I wouldn't fret much when you come accross a S**gang. If you are at all organized, you will probably do pretty well. Go to some of the regions where they used to live, and you will find much stronger, more organized pirate alliances. Mine has around 600 members, and does around 15B in damage a week (on average), yet we are a relatively small alliance compared to others. Just like in gang warfare, most of the large pirate alliances spend most of their time attacking each other. This is just because it is much more fun to attack a large fleet of combat ships, than to gank helpless carebears/missioners. We generally look for people who will fight back, since that is where the fun part of PvP is. And your alliance is?
General Coochie The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.03 09:51:00 - [20] Dead terrorists have been in hagilur a lot lately, for the first time in a very long time I'm actually hesitant to fly a ship through a unscouted gate, particularly in that area. I wouldn't even go there scouting in a shuttle as they really are serious about their gate camping. If someone do attack them they seem to be able to field huge well setup gangs to deal with threats. So yeah pirate alliances could probably lock down entire systems, and if with as good numbers and ships as dead terrorists they can retaliate to anything that wants to bust their camps. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.11.03 12:15:00 - [21] Originally by: General Coochie Dead terrorists have been in hagilur a lot lately, for the first time in a very long time I'm actually hesitant to fly a ship through a unscouted gate, particularly in that area. I wouldn't even go there scouting in a shuttle as they really are serious about their gate camping. If someone do attack them they seem to be able to field huge well setup gangs to deal with threats. So yeah pirate alliances could probably lock down entire systems, and if with as good numbers and ships as dead terrorists they can retaliate to anything that wants to bust their camps. They just have some good friends And friends of course help friends in need!
Vonlin Twisted Legion	Posted - 2009.11.04 08:27:00 - [22] So in the past maybe S****and right now potentially Dead Terrorists? What else do we have?
omgdutch2005 Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2009.11.04 10:20:00 - [23] Chain of Chaos? Gypsy Nation Idle Empire
Kaya Valda Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.04 10:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Helicity Boson I think a lot of pirate corps like smaller scale pvp, and their outfits tend to be sized to accomodate that. Too many friends also means less people to shoot at, since 99% of high-sec dwellers fear to tread in lowsec (giant FW blobs not withstanding) This. Pirate corps rarely get more than 50 members before they find that there isn't enough action to support a bigger group of pilots, and it all becomes a little dull. Also, pirate corps tend not to make up big alliances but would rather keep a few close informal friends to help in times of need (or when a cap ship is pointed). There are even times when they will gang up with their enemies for the common good. - Read My Blog
Gilgamesh1980 The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.11.04 13:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Kaya Valda Originally by: Helicity Boson I think a lot of pirate corps like smaller scale pvp, and their outfits tend to be sized to accomodate that. Too many friends also means less people to shoot at, since 99% of high-sec dwellers fear to tread in lowsec (giant FW blobs not withstanding) This. Pirate corps rarely get more than 50 members before they find that there isn't enough action to support a bigger group of pilots, and it all becomes a little dull. Also, pirate corps tend not to make up big alliances but would rather keep a few close informal friends to help in times of need (or when a cap ship is pointed). There are even times when they will gang up with their enemies for the common good. and this as well. even going by own experience, pirates aren't really designed to be in big alliances, as everyone, even if they have the same interests, just don't function well enough together, Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.04 14:43:00 - [26] Pod Liberation Authority have always impressed me with their organisation. No tsure how big they actually are though as we only tangled with them in one small area of Molden Heath
fazeley Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.04 15:36:00 - [27] Edited by: fazeley on 04/11/2009 15:36:26 Originally by: Kaya Valda Originally by: Helicity Boson I think a lot of pirate corps like smaller scale pvp, and their outfits tend to be sized to accomodate that. Too many friends also means less people to shoot at, since 99% of high-sec dwellers fear to tread in lowsec (giant FW blobs not withstanding) This. Pirate corps rarely get more than 50 members before they find that there isn't enough action to support a bigger group of pilots, and it all becomes a little dull. Also, pirate corps tend not to make up big alliances but would rather keep a few close informal friends to help in times of need (or when a cap ship is pointed). There are even times when they will gang up with their enemies for the common good. This is spot on I think. It's nice to have a small number of mates in case something big goes down, and we all like the occasional epic fight in which case it does no harm to be open to the occasional temporary nap.
Hanso Sparxx Order of Shadows	Posted - 2009.11.04 16:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: jimmyjam Originally by: Siangi There is a buffet table somewhere A buffet with eye patchs, wenches amd other assorted pirate stuffs. And jugs of mead! Only Beastmasters and Wizards drink mead... Pirates drink rum! Yo ho ho ------------------ Go Deep!
arbiter reformed Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:00:00 - [29] Well, the united sit in rancer smartbombing. you get the odd capfight maybee once or twice a year between them and i dunno bydi or som1 thats about it. no its not worth it over 0.0 especially with all the cool stuff in dominion Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
Sol'Kanar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:06:00 - [30] Keeping a pirate alliance together is like herding cats. Perhaps looking into the mindset of your typical cat would shed some light on why pirate alliances are hard to come by.
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:07:00 - [31] I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other.
Muuranda	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:33:00 - [32] Well the unusual aspect of such a thing is exactly what attracted me to the thought of it. I can understand why its difficult for pirate corps to grow beyond a certain member size when they focus their activities on a certain point of space. If a ring of pirates camps/patrols a handful of systems connecting to high sec obviously after so many memebers they are going to become saturated. The point of an alliance (I would think) would be to organize the turf of each corporation so they all are more efficient over all together. Corporation XYZ is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec A, while Corporation ABC is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec B. Both Corporations agree not to step on each others toes and steal juicy kills/ransoms from the others space lanes and reserve rights to camp their gates. At the same time, they agree to fight together to push out other pirate groups that encroach on each others turf. You multiple this to a dozen corporations and suddenly a single Pirate Alliance entity could potentially efficiently control the pirating of mass chunks of low sec single handily. (To the point perhaps that they could negotiation from a better position ransoms for access to such low sec for carrier logistics and what not.) The corporations would individually pirate their own space the majority of the time, but band together for larger fleets to push out rivals or large anti-pirate corps/sov alliances that are being pests. Larger capital fleets could be put together as well when the need arises (like if a single pirate corp was hot dropped) making them a force to be encountered. The small print would be not to do this regularly though, only when needed, as they are not a sov alliance, but still pirates. As far as disagreements regarding the turf of corporations the Alliance would offer a median of settling such disputes, as surely such things would arise. When member corps do become saturated with memebers the Alliance could organize and control the expansion of a corp's turf so rather than being too big, they merely pirate more space efficiently and can continue to grow. All the while the Alliance's 'controlled' chunk of low sec expands. I do realize the parallelism to this and sov alliances, but the application is different I hope in that the Alliance is not interested in actual sov (obviously its low sec) or even moons for that matter, just very low rates of pirate competition taking kills. Now I know this wouldn't be for every pirate corporation, many are simply too independent and rogue. It would take pirate corporations that appreciate organization and hold a business attitude for their work and are interested in more than simple greifing. The whole idea is an application of professionalism and a business mind to the normally random art of pirating. Again, it certainly wouldn't be for every pirate, perhaps not even the majority of them, but for some, I think it could have some cool potential.
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Decimus Corp	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Muuranda Well the unusual aspect of such a thing is exactly what attracted me to the thought of it. I can understand why its difficult for pirate corps to grow beyond a certain member size when they focus their activities on a certain point of space. If a ring of pirates camps/patrols a handful of systems connecting to high sec obviously after so many memebers they are going to become saturated. The point of an alliance (I would think) would be to organize the turf of each corporation so they all are more efficient over all together. Corporation XYZ is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec A, while Corporation ABC is charged with pirating chunk of low-sec B. Both Corporations agree not to step on each others toes and steal juicy kills/ransoms from the others space lanes and reserve rights to camp their gates. At the same time, they agree to fight together to push out other pirate groups that encroach on each others turf. You multiple this to a dozen corporations and suddenly a single Pirate Alliance entity could potentially efficiently control the pirating of mass chunks of low sec single handily. (To the point perhaps that they could negotiation from a better position ransoms for access to such low sec for carrier logistics and what not.) The corporations would individually pirate their own space the majority of the time, but band together for larger fleets to push out rivals or large anti-pirate corps/sov alliances that are being pests. Larger capital fleets could be put together as well when the need arises (like if a single pirate corp was hot dropped) making them a force to be encountered. The small print would be not to do this regularly though, only when needed, as they are not a sov alliance, but still pirates. As far as disagreements regarding the turf of corporations the Alliance would offer a median of settling such disputes, as surely such things would arise. When member corps do become saturated with memebers the Alliance could organize and control the expansion of a corp's turf so rather than being too big, they merely pirate more space efficiently and can continue to grow. All the while the Alliance's 'controlled' chunk of low sec expands. I do realize the parallelism to this and sov alliances, but the application is different I hope in that the Alliance is not interested in actual sov (obviously its low sec) or even moons for that matter, just very low rates of pirate competition taking kills. Now I know this wouldn't be for every pirate corporation, many are simply too independent and rogue. It would take pirate corporations that appreciate organization and hold a business attitude for their work and are interested in more than simple greifing. The whole idea is an application of professionalism and a business mind to the normally random art of pirating. Again, it certainly wouldn't be for every pirate, perhaps not even the majority of them, but for some, I think it could have some cool potential. awesome idea, probably fail before it starts due to aforementioned reasons. makes perfect business sense though.
Natasja Podinski	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:48:00 - [34] Originally by: KapnKaboom I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other. lol! megawrong! Lexa Hellfury for CSM
Meagun	Posted - 2009.11.06 01:37:00 - [35] I don't know about it failing before it started, that seems a bit extreme. I think the difficulties would arise as the alliance grew and corporations became unhappy with their limited roles/turfs and wouldn't come to agreements.
Bulllrock	Posted - 2009.11.06 02:29:00 - [36] Theres several big pirate alliances floating about. But not as many as there could be, due to aforementioned reasons. Pirates tend to be an untrusting lot, and only stay as long as the action is good. Chain of Chaos is a big time pirate alliance in Amarr lowsec. The prowl the area around Menai and Fensi and such, down along that pipe. Idle Empire is a big one, and if VETO is still poaching the spaceways they're a huge one. I've sorta been out of the loop, so no idea if VETO is still around, or still pirating. UPS is another big one in Amarr lowsec, no idea if they're still around or if they've moved, I haven't seen them in a long time. I'm sure theres others, those are just the ones I know.
Thingymawotzit Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.11.06 03:44:00 - [37] I hear theres this pirate alliance called neg ten and they kill stuff
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.11.06 04:10:00 - [38] Originally by: KapnKaboom I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other. Show me a carrier running a mission and I'll show you a group of cooperating pirates.. Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.11.06 07:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: KapnKaboom I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other. Show me a carrier running a mission and I'll show you a group of cooperating pirates.. Ill take a screenshot next time I do a L5 for new implants. Ill also take a screenshoot next time the local pirates once again gets 150+ capital ships into one fight. I guess you will have to wait 2-4 weeks for both.
fazeley Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.06 08:15:00 - [40] To the OP, the best thing you can possibly do is pour yourself a big stiff drink , light a cigar and spend a relaxing hour or two perusing the killboards of some of the organisations mentioned in this thread. Your patience will most surely be rewarded, all of your questions will be answered Mind you, this exercise will maybe raise a whole load of other questions.
Mutnin Veto. Academy	Posted - 2009.11.06 08:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Bulllrock and if VETO is still poaching the spaceways they're a huge one. I've sorta been out of the loop, so no idea if VETO is still around, or still pirating. That would be a big, Yes they are..
Villwrath Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.11.06 11:30:00 - [42] Originally by: KapnKaboom I don't believe the words 'organized' and 'pirate' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. You'd probably have better luck trying to herd a group of feral cats down the street then getting pirates to cooperate with each other. I don't believe the words 'you have any clue what your talking about' can be used together in the same sentence without causing a paradox of some sort. I don't post often, so if I do post, that just means you've hit a new level of stupidity and I was left with absolutely no choice in the matter.
Azirapheal Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.06 12:09:00 - [43] Originally by: z0de Originally by: Guru how about those Bastards guys/girls.. I dont know anything about them but I see there recruitment posts all the time? We only accept members not corps. z0de!!!! say hi to ronindata for me Originally by: Azirapheal i never ever thought id live to see the day.... that titans were nerfed for being FOTM HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA Originally by: CCP Zymurgist SoonÖ
MirrorGod Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.06 13:30:00 - [44] BYDI - Caldari/Gallete FW terrorist Dead Terrorists - Haligur **trainc Veto - Like gallente low-sec as far as I know There's some crappier groups that sprout up; recently saw Chain of Chaos near Fensi but they're not all too talented. Sare terrible and seen them move twice or 3 times over the summer. There was this really cool alliance locking down amamake for 6 months before the summer but then the CEO and directors decided they needed to go outside, ****s...
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.11.06 13:43:00 - [45] Originally by: MirrorGod Some Words Hi MG.. So you finally made it in to PL.. That was only what... 8-10 months in the making??? Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Nyxster Gallente Gatecrashers SCUM.	Posted - 2009.11.06 14:50:00 - [46] WTF is also this talk of trying to compare S**to PL et al? of course we are a disorganized rabble of nomarks, thats the reason we pirate and terrorize, if we were any good at this and wanted a (reasonably) fair fight we'd all turn pro and join noir. The reason we signed up for Swas they were all in our TZ and a very chilled out bunch, i would rather have 40 useless brosefs in my own TZ to go out and have some fun with than a 400 man leet alliance full of emos who take all this far too seriously for a video game. If SC.UM are a useless rabble its because we choose to just treat this as havin a larf and a bit of yarr and we didn't want moar boring pos bashing, supporting wealthy alliances moon-goo addiction or constant napfests. So to the OP, whats in it for Pirate Alliances? Well contrary to belief not every alliance has to be about holding sov, having a load of moons, a omgwtfpwncapfleet and blob of 400. Sometimes its just like a social outfit for a loose knit bunch of like minded people who are united by a single aim such as mischief, most pirate corps are generally small rag-tag bunches as pointed out earlier there isn't enough trade to support a huge blob fleet and ofc the whole point of being a PVP pirate is to avoid alliance blobwarfare, being in alliance gives you some brosefs to play with when your own gang are otherwise occupied. Everytime i read these sort of threads that point out that XYZ corp is fail because its not PL, AAA or FOTM alliance - it should occur to people that being a minion cog in a huge alliance machine isn't for everyone regardless of their KB stats. if we are , we are , but we will enjoy being ** which is better than being successfully miserable :)
Mark Louis Minmatar Cartel Assessment Branch The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.06 21:40:00 - [47] Edited by: Mark Louis on 06/11/2009 21:40:59 Back on topic ha ;) Just giving an example, Blood Money Cartel uses a hierarchical system of corps in an Alliance. I.e, The Blood Money Cartel is an Alliance consisting of the following corps: Cartel Assessment Branch: All new members spend a month in here. You must meet certain number of points by PvP kills, ransoms, etc. Blood Money Bootcamp : If you meet the certain requirements in the Assessment branch (which is really nothing more than to ensure you are active), you will spend time here. You have 8 months to get the required skills trained (which are mostly support skills you should get anyway... Elec 5, Eng 5, etc etc), have a certain number of solo ransoms/kills, etc. Blood Money Inc : If you get the necessary skills, meet the requirements of isk ransomed value, total kills, etc etc, and are nominated by a member within 8 months, you will then be accepted into Blood Money Inc, which is the parent corp. In essence, as others have pointed out, we do not recruit corps. Just members. The overall Alliance allows us filter people by activity, skill, etc. It works, and gives members something to work towards and shoot for (no pun intended). If you are looking to gt into Piracy, feel free to check out Skira Ranos' Beginner's Guide to Piracy. He is the HMFIC over Blood Money, and knows his stuff :) Promotes small gang PvP, etc. Good luck :) EDIT: typo.
Vonlin Twisted Legion	Posted - 2009.11.12 07:00:00 - [48] Wants to hear how this was resolved? And hey grimpak!

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