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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Nouva MacGyver
In before Tippia catching onto this and tries to technically and logically explain how mining = pvp and how it should never be put in the same sentence with missions because I CBA to do it myself.
Why would I say that? I thing you're confused about what my issue with missions is. 
Originally by: Passageway
One of the above posts about the ISK that comes with a new character got me thinking. Leaving aside the time it would take, what would be CCP's response to a player who continually generated (and then biomassed) characters in order to transfer the starting ISK to their main?
They would say "lol, ISK/h?!".
3 character slots. 5000 ISK each. 10h biomass time. That's a whopping 1500 ISK per hour… (Ok, slightly less since it takes time to create the character, but the sale of the free trit might make up for that) 
Originally by: Alezander Jagen
1. Mission Rewards
2. Rat Bounties
3. NPC Trade orders
These are the main overall sources of ISK in the game. They are, infact, the only ones where it does not require another player to lose money. Please add more if you know of a source other than these three where players are never involved.
Again: insurance. For one, it happens no matter how you lose ships — whether it is to other players or not. For the other, the insurance payout does not require an ISK loss. You get (very) basic insurance without spending ISK, but I suspect that what you're talking about here is the loss of a ship, which is not an ISK loss…
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2. Item Removal
This is, for example, like not getting all the loots that were on the player ship you just destroyed. By removing items, the game removes the ISK spent on construction/acquiring of the item, and the ISK spent on the user originally buying the item.
No. Item loss does not in any way remove ISK. The losses you're talking about happened long before the item was removed: ISK was lost when the ship was constructed, not when it was lost; (very tiny amounts of) ISK was lost (through taxes) when the ship was sold, not when it was purchased and certainly not when it was lost. Buying an item does not remove ISK — it only transfers it.
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Instead of asking CCP to remove the ISK drains from EvE (which amounts to making the PvE faucets just that much bigger), I'd suggest they add more high-end drains (removing insurance payouts entirely, for example. Yeah, I went there.)
Removing insurance does not add a "high-end drain" — it only removes an ISK faucet. The end result is the same: less ISK in the system, but you are talking about a completely opposite approach to what you seem to think.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:51:00 -
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This will be degenerating into a "Nurf Mishuns!1!" thread soon enough  .
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.11.01 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
This will be degenerating into a "Nurf Mishuns!1!" thread soon enough .
<Obligatory nurf mishuns post>
OMG!!!! TEH CAERBAERS R MAKIN MONIEEZ!!!! CCP NARF THEM!!!!
</obligatory nurf mishuns post>
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Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.11.01 15:26:00 -
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Bounties is just a part of the isk generated. What really generates isk is insurance. Mining, doesnt add new isk to the game, old isk just changes hands. However when a ship dies, you get a nice sum of isk injected. 1 Insured and dead carrier is like 900 mil created.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.11.01 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
This will be degenerating into a "Nurf Mishuns!1!" thread soon enough .
I think that happened somewhere near post #2
Originally by: JSC
nerf pve!
eve should be only pvp like the devs intended.
if we get rid of pve then eve will be the best thing ever
PVP
PVP
PVP
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Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.01 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jarik Utoni on 01/11/2009 16:14:53
Originally by: Wiley Peterson
You're missing a major point. ISK is essentially a Fiat currency. You can only sell buy things on the market with ISK, the fees and insurance premiums can only be paid in ISK, and skill books can only be bought with ISK (or LP points through agents to a lesser degree). Imagine if the only market was contracts, there was no wallet, and people could offer to trade for whatever they wanted. Imagine if there were no broker fees or NPC insurance. More than likely, the initial barter economy would evolve into a commodity-based currency such as tritanium or some other common, small thing.
This article is a very interesting story of how an economy evolved in a prison camp: Economic Organisation of P.O.W. Camp
that was a good read, as for the economic stability, as far as i see its fairly good, though seeing isk being replaced by veldspar would be interesting and totally probable if isk became way to scarce or worthless. though inflation is usually the result of the later.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.01 16:32:00 -
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This is a terrible awful disastrous problem that can only be solved by a sweeping minmatar nerf.
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Alezander Jagen
JagenCorp Combat Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:48:00 -
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I think the one thing we're ALL missing is that the EvE economy is so complex, that no single person has a full grasp on what it all encompasses. All that I can say for certain, is that it works. Is it perfect? No. But it's about as good as you can get without having a full company or economists instead of the one person they currently have.
Maybe in another 2-3 years (or longer) CCP will have slowly balanced out the ISK sink-drain to where they want it. It won't be perfectly balanced (see: closed loop economy where no new isk is added) but at that point it will be the best we'll ever get.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.01 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alezander Jagen
It won't be perfectly balanced (see: closed loop economy where no new isk is added
That is a highly undesirable thing.
You alwas want slightly more ISK to enter the economy than leaves it, assuming you have a fairly constant population growth. Otherwise you will end up with hyper-(de/in-)flation
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Foraven
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.04 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Alezander Jagen
It won't be perfectly balanced (see: closed loop economy where no new isk is added
That is a highly undesirable thing.
You alwas want slightly more ISK to enter the economy than leaves it, assuming you have a fairly constant population growth. Otherwise you will end up with hyper-(de/in-)flation
The problem right now is that what create new ISKs can be farmed ad infinitum. We never run out of missions to do and belt rats keep spawning no matter how many we kill. CCP should consider tweaking that so nobody can do mission or ratting all day, or at least not in the same system all day long.
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Kanuo Ashkeron
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Blanket Men
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Posted - 2009.11.04 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Foraven
Interesting?
Yes.
New? No.
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