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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:50:00 -
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Apple just announced them.
The good (For Eve);
High resolution screen Faster graphics card Magsafe 2 plug (may not burn up as often)
The bad
No 17 inch model Will there be compatibility issues?
We all await news form someone who tries Eve on it. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.06.13 00:59:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Apple just announced them.
The good (For Eve);
High resolution screen Faster graphics card Magsafe 2 plug (may not burn up as often)
The bad
No 17 inch model Will there be compatibility issues?
We all await news form someone who tries Eve on it.
Indeed. I imagine EVE looking absolutely gorgeous on that screen. They may have to bump the UI size up a bit, though. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2012.06.13 10:32:00 -
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We have UI scaling, I would indeed by very interested to find out how EVE runs natively on it. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
715
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:22:00 -
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There is UI scaling, but 125% is the largest option. The Retina display has almost twice the pixels per inch of a normal display. Brackets are going to get real small. But they will be in high resolution. Will small, but high resolution look good? Also the new Macs will have a set of display options that is sort of like UI scaling in what it does. What happens if a user turns that on? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:30:00 -
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We have the ability to go to 200%. But clients right now have the maximum of 150%. You need to have a vertical resolution of at least 1200 pixels. So a 16:10 widescreen display of 1920x1200 needs to be in use. I don't think Apple sell any displays that are 16:10 anymore, so you won't see that.
The OSX inherent ability for UI scaling, is adapted to their software only. 3rd parties would have to work with their retina technology to make such a change available. You can see this if you do a quick google of the macbook pro retina and google chrome. Google Chrome is blurry in comparison to Safari.
As for support, I am not sure about applications that are driven by a 3D rendering engine. Will just have to find out how EVE works on the new line of MBP's when we can. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
715
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:20:00 -
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The new MBP 15 inch is 2880 x 1800 pixels, which is both over 1200 and 16 to 10. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:20:00 -
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Actually apple may have lost me as a customer with the lack of a 17inch version. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:53:00 -
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The IT guys here at work think there will be a 17" version in the future. Reading on the internet I get the feeling that the holdup is no one can make a 17" display with the 220 pixels per inch needed for a Retina display. But they will. Eventually even 24" screens with a Retina display will be available. Its coming, we just do not know when.
And yes, the lack of a 17" version turns me off too, and I will await developments. Maybe we should all go to an apple store, tell them we want to order one, ask for the 17" version. When told it does not exist, act all disappointed and request to be notified when it becomes available. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:13:00 -
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I was hoping for a 13" retina. If i can understand why they don't have a 17" i can't see why not having the 13" retina.
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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:22:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The IT guys here at work think there will be a 17" version in the future. Reading on the internet I get the feeling that the holdup is no one can make a 17" display with the 220 pixels per inch needed for a Retina display. But they will. Eventually even 24" screens with a Retina display will be available. Its coming, we just do not know when.
And yes, the lack of a 17" version turns me off too, and I will await developments. Maybe we should all go to an apple store, tell them we want to order one, ask for the 17" version. When told it does not exist, act all disappointed and request to be notified when it becomes available.
Yea, hopefully it's something they have to do wether they want to or not. Also the lack of a pcmi slot is also a deal breaker. Being in the video production field Apple has kinda been giving us the middles for the last few years. Every Apple event now has this ominous feeling of "what tools are we going to loose now"?
Funny, I was just thinking that the next time I go to the Apple store I would do that too. Hell I've been doing that to them with the MacPros for a while now. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:52:00 -
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It also lacks an ethernet port, another loss of functionality. You got to use a adapter to USB. At work we got far to many users to have everyone on wireless, we got to use ethernet. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kialant Isenti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:14:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:It also lacks an ethernet port, another loss of functionality. You got to use a adapter to USB. At work we got far to many users to have everyone on wireless, we got to use ethernet.
I think it's a Thunderbolt adaptor cable.
So has somebody tried EVE out on one yet? If so, do tell.... |
Naomi Darson
RNA Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:15:00 -
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Sir John Halsey wrote:I was hoping for a 13" retina. If i can understand why they don't have a 17" i can't see why not having the 13" retina.
The analyst that correctly predicted that the RMBP being released alongside the MBP thinks that the 13" RMBP was delayed due to yield and assembly issues and should be released around October. Naturally, YMMV, etc.
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Rafael Argus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.16 01:01:00 -
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Just a few notes for things that have popped up in this topic.
First, unless there's a huge hue and cry for the general populace over the loss of the 17" MacBook Pro, it is unlikely that it will be coming back, sad to say. It is no longer available at all, in either Retina or previous versions. Apple has said it comprised about 2% of their overall Macintosh sales, that's not a very sustainable number, sad to say.
The new machines can either use a USB to ethernet adaptor, or a Thunderbolt adaptor, or a Thunderbolt break-out box that has multiple ports. Thunderbolt is great, there are already PCI cages for it. Want to add the latest graphics card to your MacBook Air? Have at it.
The Retina display is going to be a pain for those of us with poorer vision quality. |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:40:00 -
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Well, on my new Retina MBP the EVE client does not appear. The launcher works ok, and the client appears to start (I get the sound from the log in window), but there is nothing displayed. I'm just looking at whatever was on my screen beforehand.
Hmm. Issue with Wine and the scaler? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
730
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:43:00 -
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Can you get anything from the game proper? The esc window? The bug reporting window? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Adrenalinemax
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:19:00 -
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IceAero wrote:Well, on my new Retina MBP the EVE client does not appear. The launcher works ok, and the client appears to start (I get the sound from the log in window), but there is nothing displayed. I'm just looking at whatever was on my screen beforehand.
Hmm. Issue with Wine and the scaler?
That is a shocker...... |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:03:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Can you get anything from the game proper? The esc window? The bug reporting window?
Nothing at all. I see no indications that the game is running. |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:28:00 -
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Got it working!
It won't start with the scaler set yo 1920x1200, but when I set it down to 1440x900 it started and I was able to set it to windowed mode and then change the resolution again. I'll update on the performance soon. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
737
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:36:00 -
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Progress!. I want to know what it looks like when you set it to 2880 x 1800... http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:40:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Progress!. I want to know what it looks like when you set it to 2880 x 1800...
Stunning, but the star field is a bit overwhelming! Also performance takes a bit hit. I was getting 60 FPS at 1680x1050 with everything on High and HDR, but at 2880x1800 it was around 30. And these are just sitting outside station. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
737
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:46:00 -
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So once you got into the game you could set resolutions higher than 1440 x 900? What does text do at 2880 x 1800? Is the overview still readable?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:00:00 -
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Exactly.
The text at 2880 is definitely sharp and readable, just maybe not quite comfortable to play with. E.g., If I lean back, to 2+ feet away then there's going to be some eye strain. I will try the 125% UI scaling later today and report back. I think the 2880 is useable, but I can see a big divide on personal preference here. Fullscreen at 1920 looks great and gets much better FPS. I almost always play in a window though... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
737
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:27:00 -
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Supposedly with that many pixels you get a 150% UI scaling option. Try that too. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:59:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Supposedly with that many pixels you get a 150% UI scaling option. Try that too.
I gotta say, this 150% @ 2880 looks stellar.
The star field is still headache-inducing, but the rest of the game looks spectacular and the text is perfectly easy to read (just about what I'm used to from playing @ 1440p on my 27" considering the change in viewing distance and all). |
Shin Chogan
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.06.21 03:01:00 -
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I can see no more Mac's In my future.
My 2008 Macbook pro wont be replaced by the new Macbook Pro's - the Retina display models have no replaceable RAM sticks and no dvd drive and all of them have no ethernet port and are wildly overpriced :(
My 2008 8 core Mac Pro wont be replaced as to get more cores than I currently have will cost over 3 grand where as I paid more like 2 grand for this one :( |
Shinnen
Guardians of Eden Fraternity.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:27:00 -
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How are the temperatures with 1 or 2 clients running?
Anybody tried bootcamp and put 2 clients next to one another on the same screen? |
Lanu
0utbreak Outbreak.
95
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:45:00 -
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Need some time to get it all configured, also need to install windows etc. But the general idea is pretty workable:
http://eve.lanu.nl/mbpr-eve1.jpg
10x normal resolution eve clients |
Naomi Darson
RNA Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:54:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:We have UI scaling, I would indeed by very interested to find out how EVE runs natively on it.
Game looks pretty good full screen at 2880x1800, but it tops out at around 30 fps on the low end rMBP with the mac client with all the settings except HDR and anti-aliasing turned up to high. I haven't tried turning down the graphics settings to see what performance is like. I also don't know how resilient that is in the face of fleet action. I assume it would get worse, but I also tend to zoom way out during fleet fights, so maybe it'd be okay?
It's more likely that I'll play in windowed mode since I frequently want at least two clients running. The two options I've played with are running the display at 1440x900 (default) with 1280x800 windowed clients and 90% scaling and running the display at 1920x1200 with 1650x1050 clients at normal scaling. The first option is somewhat cramped, the second the text is a little hard on my eyes so I'd probably have to turn it up to 110%. Both clients run at around 30 fps with gfx settings turned up, 60 fps with the 'performance' preset.
Windowed mode rendering isn't fantastic since the underlying client thinks it's rendering for the reported resolution instead of the higher resolution, so you get all the normal aliasing you'd expect from a non-retina display. In general though, rendering appears to be 'correct', so the game is playable for my uses.
It would be nice if there was a way to create groups of graphics and window settings to allow easy switching between these modes. I would probably use each of these modes, depending on circumstance, but adjusting all the settings and reorganizing windows is painful. |
Calma SaCow
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:24:00 -
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Is this something that is going to be fixed in a patch soon? it is really annoying to have to spend a couple minutes juggling resolutions before I can play. Right now I have to: turn my display to best for retina. then load the game then Alt-Tab back to the display settings and turn it back to scaled "1920x1200" Then I have to Alt-Tab back to the game . Then go into setting and change everything to match. Then I can play.
Would be nice if I could just start with 1920x1200 with 125%UI or 2560x1600 with 150%UI |
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