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ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.01 19:53:00 - [1] There has been a lot of talk and guess work on the numbers of this battle, so I have gathered the guesstimates from either sides sources and gathered them all in one spot for people to make their own judgment of: Allied forces Star Fraction - Damage done - 6487.32M, Recived - 13788.42M BYDI - Unkown Cry Havoc Damage done - 9202.68M, Recived - 1116.08M REPO - Unkown TFS - Damage Done - 1.45B, Recived - 1.58B Dead Terrorists - Unkown Minmatar Millitia Damage done - 7.47B, Damage Recived - 0.71B Combined Damage Done: 24.4 Combined Damage Recived: 26.9Bn Enemy Aggressors Caldari Militia Damage Done - 23826.95M, Damage Recived - 4118.91M Amarr Militia - Damage Done - 11.99B, Damage Recived - 4.04B Violent Society - Damage Done - 7.56B, Damage Recived - 0.33B Combined Damage Done: 41.5 Combined Damage Recived: 8.3Bn I am missing some allies figures, but looking into this has been enlightening. The difference in final figures can be explained by cross-posting / not posting losses. But If you take allied losses and compare it to Enemy Damage done the real value should be somewhere in between (likewise for the reverse). Depending on which sources you trust you can spin this fight however you like due to so many different contributing factors. I look at it like this; the amarrians need to hinder our operations in the war zone, the attack on our PoS was toward that goal. To achieve it they mass forces with the capability, to counter that we invite friends and allies to help inflict damage on the amassed forces. I was held captive planet side on Kamela V until 12:30 when was able to elude my captors and reach my pod. Due to this I missed the bulk of the action so I am in no place to comment on the specifics of the combat. However after speaking to most parties involved, reading up on the combat databases & interpenetrating the PR and spin on the IGS it is my belief that the Star Fractions plans for Space & Freedom were for filled. A becon in space costing only a few 100m acted as a red flag to the amarrians forcing them to gather in 1 spot so they can be hit hard without the option of running away (typical amrrian strategy). While the Star Fraction took an economic blow for the team that we are capable of absorbing with relative ease; the Amarrian bloc has taken a massive blow itself... weather it has the economic resources to replenish this loss as readily as we do will be seen in the next weeks, can they muster again for Space & Freedom II ?
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.01 20:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Shad0wsFury I can spin numbers too: Helljumpers damage done yesterday (10/31/09): [26,852,357,881 isk] Helljumpers losses yesterday: [2,049,736,751 isk] Differential: [+24,802,621,130 isk] (still not all killmails in...) Look at me! I can post irrelevant numbers too! Helljumpers Killmails are posted on the Amarr Militia Killboard & are included in the numbers I posted.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.08 22:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Nur AlHuda First you were not even in the battle. Second you dont know what we are talking about. I said its difference when there is some personal pos completly undefended and pos that that is protected by several alliances with cap fleet. As far as i remember that pos destroyed by hostiles was not imperial property. And when we speak about caps when will SF deploy their replaced cap fleet agian to fleet fights? So, it doesn't matter how a POS is fit its all irrelevant & useless unless people show up to defend? I guess No.Mercy's industrial friends POS was irrelevant too, Chimera BPO, labs & all. heh, interesting logic. ....No, wait, perhaps your just so incapable of defending your assets you don't even try. Yes, far more likely I think. Pathetic.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well you haven't put up a fleet in over a week ... logically we need a fleet to fight in order to deploy capitals against it. *ChipMo opens his GalNet terminal from the bridge of -JFS- Revival (Chimera Class Carrier) Quite. Odd, how the Amarrians talk about our capitals as though we only have 1 "fleet".
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.10 17:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Rodj Blake You can check the occupancy of a system by looking at the top left corner of your pod interface. I think that you might need to be undocked though. You can check the occupancy of a system by looking at.... The people who live there.

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