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Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.11.02 17:08:00 - [31] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 02/11/2009 17:16:48 Originally by: General Coochie 500dps isn't even enough to smash a t1 cruiser down before his friends arrive. As a comparison my thorax has 25k ehp and 625dps, or 480dps and 5 ecm drones going. So for doing what you wanna do you can go a lot cheaper, paying 100ths of mill just for a cloak seems a bit over the top. 1) it takes 30-60 sec in a cruiser size ship to clear 1 system depending on time between gates.t his is assuming his friends are ready to go( as in outside the dock in pvp ships) and that is with supurb response time and a dock next door. 2) your thorax numbers are wishful thinking. to obtain over 625 dps at all level 5s( we are going to assume you have less than perfect skills) you need 5 t2 neutrons with 3 t2 mag stabs running CN anti and 5 t2 hammers. this leaves you near 70 pg at perfect skills. Your going to need a mwd to get that thing close so that right their puts you over the top by 75 PG or so about 7% over. To get your numbers on a thorax this is what i had to do at level 5. Note: I totally disregarded PG and CPU. in this case you are > 5% over on both. [Thorax, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 EHP:26k DPS:660 Even if such a fit was possible blaster damage looks good on eft but its really not. Thermal is the most resisted both by ratters( unless your in angel space) and pvpers since most rats do some thermal dam.Minnie is the only exception.And i could hold you with a 2 point and web on any other ship at 7.5km and greatly reduce your damage to somewhere around 250-300 dps most of that being drone damage. The only way to get the tank you claim less gank. [Thorax, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 EHP:25k DPS:540 need a 1% PG implant to fit. so the pilgrim gets 10k more EHP and 40 less dps and warps cloaked. yep thats a good trade off. Edit to add: And when you start including fittings a thorax gets up in the 50-70 mil because you have to use meta 4s because of fitting problems. Whereas a good pilgrim build will cost you about 140-150 mil. so its not nearly as much cheaper fitted as you think.
Mei Khlolov Fervens Incendia	Posted - 2009.11.02 18:57:00 - [32] Web range could be problematic, but not deadly with the MWD. I tried a "vagilgrim" fit, and looked alright but you can only get out to about 16km which is still a little close, plus max speed was laughable. And the MWD could be switched out for an AB in lowsec, but I made this with 0.0 in mind. Also the reason I threw a nanofiber on there. Didn't mean to alt post by the way, switched to chrome and forgot to reset default character.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.02 19:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Nadalie [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open. Its almsot like the laser pilgrim, so I do not see why not :). (btw, laser pilgrim works great) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:20:00 - [34] You jump an AB Pilgrim into a gatecamp with a competent ceptor assigned drones and a bubble and you are down one AB pilgrim.
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:37:00 - [35] Originally by: General Coochie If its a trap you are guaranteed to die thats what I mean. Better invest those isk in something that can actually do something about getting pointed or getting out of a trap You mean, like a covert ops or ceptor? By your logic, that's the only T2 ships you should ever fly...
LORD SKARKON	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:47:00 - [36] What about autocannons/gyros? No cap usage, but crappier damage?
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.11.02 22:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Hiroshima Jita You jump an AB Pilgrim into a gatecamp with a competent ceptor assigned drones and a bubble and you are down one AB pilgrim. a bubble ON the gate is a very rare thing. Because people just try to tank long enough to jump back through. thats not really worthy of MWD imo. average distance of bubble from a gate =100km to prevent MWDers from getting back to gate. Bubbles are meant to catch outbound traffic not inbound, typically. if they are bubbling the gate( say with a hic) they are probably going to be swarming it anyway so your chances are still slim in the slim chance you hit a bubble on the gate.
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.11.02 22:27:00 - [38] Originally by: LORD SKARKON What about autocannons/gyros? No cap usage, but crappier damage? The only pure damage Pilgrim anyone should ever fly is the FMP one. 400/450 DPS at 20-ish kilometers, no hassle with webs, and decent speed with nano/lse buffer.

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