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Nadalie	Posted - 2009.11.02 00:28:00 - [1] [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2009.11.02 00:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Nadalie [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open. teleport this fit onto an arazu?
Nadalie	Posted - 2009.11.02 00:42:00 - [3] Just did, you get more tank capability but less damage without the pilgrim's drone abilities, and the idea is to smash the target down and get away before the backup arrives.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.02 01:16:00 - [4] hmmmm I like the look of that.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2009.11.02 01:35:00 - [5] Your EFT should have grown hands and slapped your face when you input that. With neuts and only drone dps you'll kill most things faster than that failboat is capable of. I've seen a lot of horrible pilgrim fits, this is by far the worst. Why do people insist on trying to shield tank everything? the ship has 900 base shield... No. Just erase it. The more I look at this the more my head hurts. Don't try to be "unorthodox" just for the sake of looking like you think outside the box. Sometimes the box exists for a very good reason.
Nadalie	Posted - 2009.11.02 01:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Nadalie yes, I was bored with EFT open.
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.02 04:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Shade Millith on 02/11/2009 04:24:18 Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Your EFT should have grown hands and slapped your face when you input that. With neuts and only drone dps you'll kill most things faster than that failboat is capable of. I've seen a lot of horrible pilgrim fits, this is by far the worst. Why do people insist on trying to shield tank everything? the ship has 900 base shield... No. Just erase it. The more I look at this the more my head hurts. Don't try to be "unorthodox" just for the sake of looking like you think outside the box. Sometimes the box exists for a very good reason. Possibly people sometimes shield tank things to... I dunno, gain more damage, speed and agility? Not to mention that the pilgrim has enough mid slots to facilitate a shield tank. Edit: Get rid of the Void, it's worthless over CN antimatter --------------------------------------------
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2009.11.02 05:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 02/11/2009 05:08:24 Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 02/11/2009 05:06:34 Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 02/11/2009 04:24:18 Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Your EFT should have grown hands and slapped your face when you input that. With neuts and only drone dps you'll kill most things faster than that failboat is capable of. I've seen a lot of horrible pilgrim fits, this is by far the worst. Why do people insist on trying to shield tank everything? the ship has 900 base shield... No. Just erase it. The more I look at this the more my head hurts. Don't try to be "unorthodox" just for the sake of looking like you think outside the box. Sometimes the box exists for a very good reason. Possibly people sometimes shield tank things to... I dunno, gain more damage, speed and agility? Not to mention that the pilgrim has enough mid slots to facilitate a shield tank. Edit: Get rid of the Void, it's worthless over CN antimatter I'm sorry, but your a moron if you think a pilgrim benefits from this fit. By all means fit one up and have a go at mine. I get EFT boredum, but for god's sake don't try to defend a shield/blaster pilgrim.
Mansoto	Posted - 2009.11.02 05:25:00 - [9] Quote: your a moron For posterity.
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.02 06:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Shade Millith on 02/11/2009 06:12:40 Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn I'm sorry, but your a moron if you think a pilgrim benefits from this fit. By all means fit one up and have a go at mine. And why shouldn't he fit shield/blasters? He gets a decent buffer, quite similar to a 800 plate/2 trimarked zealot, and trades 100 DPS for the ability to warp cloaked. Pick your targets and you're good to go. Just because it doesn't conform to the bonuses of the ship, doesn't mean the fit's bad. I've been thinking about fitting up a Rook as a higher damage, slightly cheaper Cerb. Screw the ECM bonus. With a simular EHP, speed and still 100+ Km range with heavy missiles, and a single bonused Multispec jammer. Why not use it as a HAC? Quote: By all means fit one up and have a go at mine. Because I'm sure that's the target he'd go after. He's got a covert cloak on it, he's going to be chosing his targets. Same thing would be me telling you to have a go at my drake with your pilgrim. --------------------------------------------
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:22:00 - [11] this is actually a very interesting fit, not something to laugh at. it might actually work main thing is that the drone dmg bonus coupled with the blasters gives a significantly higher DPS than a similar fit arazu personally id like to have one neut on there however
Miriiah	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Nadalie [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open. MWD on Pilgrim when you have to be in scrambler range anyway = bad, AB makes you hardner to hit due to no sig bloom, Void is terrible, AN antimatter is better
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Miriiah MWD on Pilgrim when you have to be in scrambler range anyway = bad, AB makes you hardner to hit due to no sig bloom, Void is terrible, AN antimatter is better Fairly solid advice that I'd echo. I might also consider a PDU instead of the nanofiber. More shields, more cap, etc. It's just a shame you can't trade that low for another mid (TD). TDs are just so powerful vs turret ships. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 02/11/2009 05:08:24 Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 02/11/2009 05:06:34 Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 02/11/2009 04:24:18 Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Your EFT should have grown hands and slapped your face when you input that. With neuts and only drone dps you'll kill most things faster than that failboat is capable of. I've seen a lot of horrible pilgrim fits, this is by far the worst. Why do people insist on trying to shield tank everything? the ship has 900 base shield... No. Just erase it. The more I look at this the more my head hurts. Don't try to be "unorthodox" just for the sake of looking like you think outside the box. Sometimes the box exists for a very good reason. Possibly people sometimes shield tank things to... I dunno, gain more damage, speed and agility? Not to mention that the pilgrim has enough mid slots to facilitate a shield tank. Edit: Get rid of the Void, it's worthless over CN antimatter I'm sorry, but your a moron if you think a pilgrim benefits from this fit. By all means fit one up and have a go at mine. I get EFT boredum, but for god's sake don't try to defend a shield/blaster pilgrim. Shield tanking is alot better than armor tanking that is why people try to shield tank everything. Between the two tanks if you can make a shield tank work and still get tackle( or whatever else you want) then you should go for shields. especially if you spend alot of time in 0.0 roaming where friendly stations are few. If you armor tank in such places you either have to: A) active tank which is just pointless in pvp B) stay near a friendly station so you can rep C) have a remote repping friend. Shields dont have that problem just park it in a safe spot for 5-10 minutes and your back to full tank. I can think of other benefits but why bother. OP:as for the fit, I would change your ammo as suggested as well as go for an ab instead of a mwd.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:35:00 - [15] no tracking disruptors defeats the ew strength of the ship, lack of neuts and nos in the highs takes away that bonus too. . . may as well fit an arbi with a cloak for that. ----
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit no tracking disruptors defeats the ew strength of the ship, lack of neuts and nos in the highs takes away that bonus too. . . may as well fit an arbi with a cloak for that. Well: - The Arby can't warp cloaked. This is key for attacking an appropriate target - The Arby only has two turrets :( - The Arby has a significant slot disadvantage - The Arby has less HP - The Arby doesn't look as cool I dunno, I might be persuaded to agree on not having a TD, but the neut is kinda meh. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.02 09:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit no tracking disruptors defeats the ew strength of the ship, lack of neuts and nos in the highs takes away that bonus too. . . may as well fit an arbi with a cloak for that. Remember, just because the ship has bonuses, doesn't mean they have to be used. While they are intended for one role, you can force them to what role you want In this case a HAC like ship, that warps cloaked. So long as it does what YOU want the ship to, and like this example of the pilgrim, does it well, then the fit is viable. --------------------------------------------
Veliria	Posted - 2009.11.02 10:34:00 - [18] If you're gonna fit blasters... [Pilgrim, Blasters?] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Not using neuts on a Pilgrim is just wrong, use an Arazu or Rapier if you want to use all highslots for guns.
Deva Blackfire 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Nadalie [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open. If you select correct targets (and not in guri/serp region) it will work ok. I myself prefer lazor gunpilgrim due to engagement range (i hate entering web range) but was also considering neutron blaster one. Also it works quite good in recon ship gangs as DPS ship.
mofokitkat Gallente Comply Or Die Retribution.	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:13:00 - [20] there the kinda fits you dont share on the forums. you undock your spacecraft. kill some ****. prove it works, fly with a smug grin knowing your fit aint what people are expecting from you and your going to hurt then. share it on the forum when your bored of it, if you fail at killing stuff in it . you make sure you never ever post it on a forum and blame your own killmail on rum if yo
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Veliria If you're gonna fit blasters... [Pilgrim, Blasters?] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Not using neuts on a Pilgrim is just wrong, use an Arazu or Rapier if you want to use all highslots for guns. Problem with that fit is you are increadibly SLOW (433 m/s with lvl5 skills on a cruiser? Eek) with a align time of at least 9.6 seconds. You jump into a bubble camp, you're not getting outta it in one piece unless they're asleep at the keyboard. And you loose more than 100 DPS, and the ability to self repair. --------------------------------------------
Deva Blackfire 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:21:00 - [22] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 02/11/2009 11:22:40 Originally by: mofokitkat Edited by: mofokitkat on 02/11/2009 11:16:46 there the kinda fits you dont share on the forums. you undock your spacecraft. kill some ****. prove it works, fly with a smug grin knowing your fit aint what people are expecting from you and your going to hurt then. They do work. There were quite a few posts/threads on gunpilgrims before. And as people in those threads stated: not only they are viable they also are very adaptable. Armor tank + ew, half-nano+ew, shieldtank+dps - all are possible. I flown armor (3 slot resist tank, no plate)+ew(2x td)+damage(2x sink) one and it worked great. Example: http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=897995 If ya dig around you can find more kills, i cba myself ;p Neutron pilgrim has the "i need to enter web range" issue. Also for neutrons i consider blasterazu better (longer scram). But still, pil gets more dps.
General Coochie The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:30:00 - [23] 500dps isn't even enough to smash a t1 cruiser down before his friends arrive. As a comparison my thorax has 25k ehp and 625dps, or 480dps and 5 ecm drones going. So for doing what you wanna do you can go a lot cheaper, paying 100ths of mill just for a cloak seems a bit over the top. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Deva Blackfire 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:35:00 - [24] 500dps is enough to kill 100k EHP battleship in 3,5 minutes. Considering ratting battleships have barely 30-40k EHP they die in around 1,5 minute. Most npcers will have even less ehp. Typical NPCing hac/cruiser will run at around 15k ehp = 30 seconds of work. Battlecruisers tad more but still doable in less than a minute. You really have good friends if they can arrive in less than a minute from few systems away. But in most cases - you are dead before they even enter local. Chosing proper targets > friends coming to the rescue.
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.02 11:37:00 - [25] Originally by: General Coochie 500dps isn't even enough to smash a t1 cruiser down before his friends arrive. As a comparison my thorax has 25k ehp and 625dps, or 480dps and 5 ecm drones going. So for doing what you wanna do you can go a lot cheaper, paying 100ths of mill just for a cloak seems a bit over the top. People pay 100 mil for HAC's over a BC. Why? Because HAC's do have some advantages, like range and speed, despite being outclassed in EHP, DPS and tackle. He's paying for 100 mil ship for the advantage of warping cloaked. It's not that hard to imagine. --------------------------------------------
Thenoran Caldari Pelican.	Posted - 2009.11.02 14:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Shade Millith Originally by: General Coochie 500dps isn't even enough to smash a t1 cruiser down before his friends arrive. As a comparison my thorax has 25k ehp and 625dps, or 480dps and 5 ecm drones going. So for doing what you wanna do you can go a lot cheaper, paying 100ths of mill just for a cloak seems a bit over the top. People pay 100 mil for HAC's over a BC. Why? Because HAC's do have some advantages, like range and speed, despite being outclassed in EHP, DPS and tackle. He's paying for 100 mil ship for the advantage of warping cloaked. It's not that hard to imagine. The only thing to wonder is whether the Pilgrim is the best covert ops ship for that job. Arazu even with its downsides still has the hybrid damage bonus and a warp scram bonus, both very useful. And since you're not using the bonused neuts... ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Lucian Mortimer	Posted - 2009.11.02 14:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Mansoto Quote: your a moron For posterity. made my morning.
rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.02 16:19:00 - [28] I love the fit. Whenever I get around to training Recons, I may have to give this fit a whirl. _____________________________________________ I'm horrible at PVP
General Coochie The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.02 16:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Deva Blackfire 500dps is enough to kill 100k EHP battleship in 3,5 minutes. Considering ratting battleships have barely 30-40k EHP they die in around 1,5 minute. Most npcers will have even less ehp. Typical NPCing hac/cruiser will run at around 15k ehp = 30 seconds of work. Battlecruisers tad more but still doable in less than a minute. You really have good friends if they can arrive in less than a minute from few systems away. But in most cases - you are dead before they even enter local. Chosing proper targets > friends coming to the rescue. If its a trap you are guaranteed to die thats what I mean. Better invest those isk in something that can actually do something about getting pointed or getting out of a trap Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Deva Blackfire 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.02 17:08:00 - [30] Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Deva Blackfire 500dps is enough to kill 100k EHP battleship in 3,5 minutes. Considering ratting battleships have barely 30-40k EHP they die in around 1,5 minute. Most npcers will have even less ehp. Typical NPCing hac/cruiser will run at around 15k ehp = 30 seconds of work. Battlecruisers tad more but still doable in less than a minute. You really have good friends if they can arrive in less than a minute from few systems away. But in most cases - you are dead before they even enter local. Chosing proper targets > friends coming to the rescue. If its a trap you are guaranteed to die thats what I mean. Better invest those isk in something that can actually do something about getting pointed or getting out of a trap If its a good trap it doesnt matter if you are in ceptor, hac, recon, t1 cruiser or even titan - you should die. So moot point imo.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.11.02 17:08:00 - [31] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 02/11/2009 17:16:48 Originally by: General Coochie 500dps isn't even enough to smash a t1 cruiser down before his friends arrive. As a comparison my thorax has 25k ehp and 625dps, or 480dps and 5 ecm drones going. So for doing what you wanna do you can go a lot cheaper, paying 100ths of mill just for a cloak seems a bit over the top. 1) it takes 30-60 sec in a cruiser size ship to clear 1 system depending on time between gates.t his is assuming his friends are ready to go( as in outside the dock in pvp ships) and that is with supurb response time and a dock next door. 2) your thorax numbers are wishful thinking. to obtain over 625 dps at all level 5s( we are going to assume you have less than perfect skills) you need 5 t2 neutrons with 3 t2 mag stabs running CN anti and 5 t2 hammers. this leaves you near 70 pg at perfect skills. Your going to need a mwd to get that thing close so that right their puts you over the top by 75 PG or so about 7% over. To get your numbers on a thorax this is what i had to do at level 5. Note: I totally disregarded PG and CPU. in this case you are > 5% over on both. [Thorax, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 EHP:26k DPS:660 Even if such a fit was possible blaster damage looks good on eft but its really not. Thermal is the most resisted both by ratters( unless your in angel space) and pvpers since most rats do some thermal dam.Minnie is the only exception.And i could hold you with a 2 point and web on any other ship at 7.5km and greatly reduce your damage to somewhere around 250-300 dps most of that being drone damage. The only way to get the tank you claim less gank. [Thorax, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 EHP:25k DPS:540 need a 1% PG implant to fit. so the pilgrim gets 10k more EHP and 40 less dps and warps cloaked. yep thats a good trade off. Edit to add: And when you start including fittings a thorax gets up in the 50-70 mil because you have to use meta 4s because of fitting problems. Whereas a good pilgrim build will cost you about 140-150 mil. so its not nearly as much cheaper fitted as you think.
Mei Khlolov Fervens Incendia	Posted - 2009.11.02 18:57:00 - [32] Web range could be problematic, but not deadly with the MWD. I tried a "vagilgrim" fit, and looked alright but you can only get out to about 16km which is still a little close, plus max speed was laughable. And the MWD could be switched out for an AB in lowsec, but I made this with 0.0 in mind. Also the reason I threw a nanofiber on there. Didn't mean to alt post by the way, switched to chrome and forgot to reset default character.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.02 19:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Nadalie [Pilgrim, blastorz?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Core Defence Field Extender I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 almost just under 500 dps, 33k EHP, and agile to boot. yes, I was bored with EFT open. Its almsot like the laser pilgrim, so I do not see why not :). (btw, laser pilgrim works great) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:20:00 - [34] You jump an AB Pilgrim into a gatecamp with a competent ceptor assigned drones and a bubble and you are down one AB pilgrim.
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:37:00 - [35] Originally by: General Coochie If its a trap you are guaranteed to die thats what I mean. Better invest those isk in something that can actually do something about getting pointed or getting out of a trap You mean, like a covert ops or ceptor? By your logic, that's the only T2 ships you should ever fly...
LORD SKARKON	Posted - 2009.11.02 21:47:00 - [36] What about autocannons/gyros? No cap usage, but crappier damage?
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.11.02 22:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Hiroshima Jita You jump an AB Pilgrim into a gatecamp with a competent ceptor assigned drones and a bubble and you are down one AB pilgrim. a bubble ON the gate is a very rare thing. Because people just try to tank long enough to jump back through. thats not really worthy of MWD imo. average distance of bubble from a gate =100km to prevent MWDers from getting back to gate. Bubbles are meant to catch outbound traffic not inbound, typically. if they are bubbling the gate( say with a hic) they are probably going to be swarming it anyway so your chances are still slim in the slim chance you hit a bubble on the gate.
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.11.02 22:27:00 - [38] Originally by: LORD SKARKON What about autocannons/gyros? No cap usage, but crappier damage? The only pure damage Pilgrim anyone should ever fly is the FMP one. 400/450 DPS at 20-ish kilometers, no hassle with webs, and decent speed with nano/lse buffer.

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