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zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 15:52:00 - [1] - Quote As i've never lived in null, i'm gonna ask my question here: what do those big alliances do with the trillions they make each month from moons? I've heard about reimbursement programs, but otherwise, i've never heard of regular members getting any of that isk. I always assumed CEOs&friends got their "fair share", but that wouldn't explain why regular members would show up to defend/conquer those moons for their leadership. please enlighten me
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:02:00 - [2] - Quote Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1447	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:05:00 - [3] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole. o7 They're saints!
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 1150	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:05:00 - [4] - Quote what is moon goo income?
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:08:00 - [5] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: what is moon goo income? like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;)
zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:09:00 - [6] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole. Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded?
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:11:00 - [7] - Quote zxc Uisen wrote: Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded? Can't speak for the south but not really in the north, pretty well utilized.
Var Vindictus Intaki Armaments Persona Non Gratis 0	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:11:00 - [8] - Quote The principle idea behind it is called communism.
Alia Gon'die Aliastra Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote zxc Uisen wrote: Cameron Cahill wrote: Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole. Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded? I wouldn't say most. There is a lot that isn't upgraded, but honestly, you have to have space for 9000~ people, you're going to spread out and take up a whole lot of space. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor
Alia Gon'die Aliastra Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:14:00 - [10] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: zxc Uisen wrote: Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded? Can't speak for the south but not really in the north, pretty well utilized. What he said. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor
Jafit Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 225	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:15:00 - [11] - Quote zxc Uisen wrote: As i've never lived in null, i'm gonna ask my question here: what do those big alliances do with the trillions they make each month from moons? I've heard about reimbursement programs, but otherwise, i've never heard of regular members getting any of that isk. I always assumed CEOs&friends got their "fair share", but that wouldn't explain why regular members would show up to defend/conquer those moons for their leadership. please enlighten me Depends on the alliance. Goons and Test spend it on reimbursement and stuff to make the game be generally fun for the rank and file members. Other alliances buy titans and supercarriers because they want to helicoptordick everyone with them and be no fun. I mean you don't really get any strategic level income from holding sov, so those who don't have techmoons have to rely on renters paying them. It's really disgustingly unfair to everyone who lives in the south. By the way TEST alliance finances are open to the public.
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:18:00 - [12] - Quote Jafit wrote: TEST alliance finances are open to the public. Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 741	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:21:00 - [13] - Quote I dont think any alliance actually makes trillions. SRFs payout tens of billions of isk a month easily. Sov bills cost alot. The fuels to run pos's and so on at that level costs tens of billions. Alliances buy carriers, dreadnaughts, supercarriers and titans for their members. Sometimes huge rewards are given out for outstanding corps. Not all teh moons ar erun at alliance level of course. 0din runs 5 or 6 reactions for iyself. On corp level we have another supplemental SRF, we buy capital skills for poeple and give grants towards capital hulls. We supply capital fuel for ops, our black ops division has its own budget and we are currently paying for one of our members to have a titan, once that one is bought we will start saving for teh next supercapital for a corp member. Our leadership team are paid a nominal fee of 50 mill a month wich doesnt even begin to cover the time spent doing stuff for the corp. Basically no one should be without ships and isk, buy the first of a shiptype and after that the alliance and corp look after replacements. Any alliance or corp that does moon reactions and doesnt do these things for the line members isnt worth fighting for. Next question? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:22:00 - [14] - Quote Quote: The principle idea behind it is called communism. I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation. Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3325	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:26:00 - [15] - Quote you would be surprised at how easy it is to spend all that money
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 1151	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:28:00 - [16] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: what is moon goo income? like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;) you can't awox a tech moon's ratting titan, or take revenge on a blue supercap because the pilot sodomized a tech moon's girlfriend being a slumlord is pretty sweet sometimes actually
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:29:00 - [17] - Quote never mind google it its not hard to find
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:30:00 - [18] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Cameron Cahill wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: what is moon goo income? like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;) you can't awox a tech moon's ratting titan, or take revenge on a blue supercap because the pilot sodomized a tech moon's girlfriend being a slumlord is pretty sweet sometimes actually True unfortunately :( but at least they don't ***** as much.
Gerald Taric 68	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:32:00 - [19] - Quote Jafit wrote: By the way TEST alliance finances are open to the public. "to the public"? It doesn't look like that. Google says "no access" for those, who have a Google account. Anyway ... i was just curious. shrugging shoulders.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1026	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:33:00 - [20] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Jafit wrote: TEST alliance finances are open to the public. Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them. They are. Is it with the latest tech moon acquisitions and prices? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3330	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:33:00 - [21] - Quote welp i just looked at the budget spreadsheet it looks like i broke it again, damnit i also really need to update it
zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:36:00 - [22] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: never mind google it its not hard to find Thx for doing the research, but silly me, i don't trust those numbers too much. But let's assume they're fine, why the 15% tax on the main corp for example? edit: btw, if you haven't noticed, i ask all this because (player owned especially) nullsec seems like a scam to me
Ishen Villone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 24	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:37:00 - [23] - Quote zxc Uisen wrote: Quote: The principle idea behind it is called communism. I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation. Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information. GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies. What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation?
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:38:00 - [24] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Cameron Cahill wrote: Jafit wrote: TEST alliance finances are open to the public. Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them. They are. Is it with the latest tech moon acquisitions and prices? Weaselior wrote: welp i just looked at the budget spreadsheet it looks like i broke it again, damnit i also really need to update it so pre-banch/tenal/venal we have over a trillion isk raw income in moons?
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:39:00 - [25] - Quote Ishen Villone wrote: zxc Uisen wrote: Quote: The principle idea behind it is called communism. I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation. Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information. GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies. What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation? What this guy says^^ Also we get ship replacement for any form of pvp so meh i can deal with the tax when i never have to pay for anything.
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:43:00 - [26] - Quote Another thing you seem to forget is that the GSF has no CTAs, zero zilch so none of has to go and defend anything. We choose to go because fights in eve are... you know... fun?
zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:44:00 - [27] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Ishen Villone wrote: zxc Uisen wrote: Quote: The principle idea behind it is called communism. I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation. Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information. GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies. What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation? What this guy says^^ Also we get ship replacement for any form of pvp so meh i can deal with the tax when i never have to pay for anything. Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec. The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?
Holy One Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 201	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:45:00 - [28] - Quote Car payments.
zxc Uisen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:47:00 - [29] - Quote Cameron Cahill wrote: Another thing you seem to forget is that the GSF has no CTAs, zero zilch so none of has to go and defend anything. We choose to go because fights in eve are... you know... fun? that's kind of off topic, has nothing to do with repartition in null.
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:48:00 - [30] - Quote zxc Uisen wrote: Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec. The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right? Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills. You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.

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