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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.06 16:43:00 -
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It's true.
I was checking up on my favourite group in eve and found they have expanded from friends of Sharuveil to friends of eve.
I've always felt too many activities in eve get branded as 'piracy' and recently the prevalence of high sec griefing getting coverage in C+P was getting to boiling point.
Well Delilah knows this too ♥
Quote: Surf through the EVE Crime and Punishment Forum, and youÆll find a variety of threads about anti-piracy. While the informational and interpretive quality of these threads is generally poor, a common refrain is that anti-pirates are pre-pirates. Put another way, those who start out as anti-pirates are soon tempted to the dark side and become pirates themselves.
So today, I am here to announce that IÆve become a pirate. Yarr!
Just kiddingà.
Seriously though, one person and a corp from our days in Sharuveil have indeed switched sides, going from anti-piracy to piracy.
In the first instance, the person found a fun corp in her timezone and language preference. Most of their work is null-sec. I cannot be sure, but IÆm not convinced this is piracy at all. Instead it sounds like straight-up pvp. Too much of EVEÆs pvp is lumped under the term piracy. Pirates are those who exploit others as a way of life in EVE. There are mercenaries, police forces, warlord fleets, etc. all of whom complicate who is a pirate and what constitutes piracy.
The second instance involves the Hitchhikers Alliance (HIKE). The military backbone of that alliance was Broadside, led by Ael Ra, a superb tactician and fleet commander. The Friends flew with members of Broadside in actions against pirates in Sharuveil.
Broadside left the Hitchhikers to become a mercenary corp. The alliance collapsed shortly thereafter. It did so in the face of griefing by the Deconites, a coalition of pirates from the system of Decon. It was the Deconites who were our pirate foes in Sharuveil. Their main alliance is MeatSausage Express. Their main business seems to be griefing empire-based, non-military corps. Those of you new to this blog can read more about MeatSausage in the posts below.
Well to my surprise, Broadside recently joined MeatSausage Express. I discovered this while updating my personal security standings. Now I donÆt know why Broadside joined with Meatsausage. IÆll send them an evemail and ask if they would like to share their reasonings with us. It may be interesting. Still, I must confess that EVE makes for strange bedfellows, and it saddens me to see Broadside take this route.
Cheers, Delilah
Have a nice weekend C+P. Will be joining you SOONtm
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Mathilde D'Arc
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Posted - 2009.11.06 16:53:00 -
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Oh dear. I think you have lost the plot.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.06 16:55:00 -
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Whatever it was I probably didn't have it in the first place
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RedSplat
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.11.06 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 06/11/2009 17:20:45 tl;dr
'Carebear takes Eve Online far too seriously and doesn't understand other playstyles'
EDIT: and no, that isn't meant to be offensive
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.06 19:48:00 -
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Broadside were a bunch of cool brosefs, and were a bunch of cool brosefs, so we decided "Hey! Lets be cool brosefs together!" and now were way too much cool brosef for the MeatSausage to handle.
Hitchhikers alliance was pretty funny. We had so many informants in that alliance we had to turn them away. Its amazing what noobs will do when you dangle a little money in their face.
Besides, I really consider myself a pre-proto-meta-pirate. Im still working on a proper definition, but it generally involves griefing carebears whilst wearing no pants
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.06 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Crushah Broadside were a bunch of cool brosefs, and were a bunch of cool brosefs, so we decided "Hey! Lets be cool brosefs together!" and now were way too much cool brosef for the MeatSausage to handle.
Hitchhikers alliance was pretty funny. We had so many informants in that alliance we had to turn them away. Its amazing what noobs will do when you dangle a little money in their face.
Besides, I really consider myself a pre-proto-meta-pirate. Im still working on a proper definition, but it generally involves griefing carebears whilst wearing no pants
The Scottish Fold approves.
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Felix Jugo
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Posted - 2009.11.07 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Crushah ...I really consider myself a pre-proto-meta-pirate.
You're in the early stages of, in a crude way, pillaging the concept of piracy itself?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.07 17:33:00 -
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I think the decision to be an anti-pirate or whatever they call it is no different than the decision to be a pirate.
You log in, and decide how to play the game.
It's only a problem when someone tries to force you to wear a puffy shirt in the real world.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.07 18:57:00 -
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I choose to self harm ingame. It's funny rite.
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Nano Pope
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Posted - 2009.11.08 05:41:00 -
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Being an anti-pirate is a lifestyle choice, you shouldn't pity them. Some are just curious and move on from their childish flirtations into regular piracy but there are those who simply prefer to be that way. We should respect their non-traditional role, though they seem odd to us what is a true pirate but someone who defies convention. These anti-pirates don't want to be pirates, or carebears, but their own special thing and we should let them be proud of their alternative lifestlye choices. ANTI-PRIDE! |
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.11.08 08:30:00 -
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A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words. =================== Go Bucks! |
Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.11.08 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words.
Stuff happened that wasn't thread worthy but someone made a thread about it, and then someone else made a thread about that.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.08 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Jones Bones A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words.
Stuff happened that wasn't thread worthy but someone made a thread about it, and then someone else made a thread about that.
Wardec incoming tbh.
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.11.08 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Jones Bones A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words.
Stuff happened that wasn't thread worthy but someone made a thread about it, and then someone else made a thread about that.
Wardec incoming tbh.
For once I am proud to say... Bring it on.
Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first. |
Der'Teufel Felsen
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Posted - 2009.11.08 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Jones Bones A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words.
Stuff happened that wasn't thread worthy but someone made a thread about it, and then someone else made a thread about that.
Wardec incoming tbh.
For once I am proud to say... Bring it on.
Can we have a 'Kool Skool' war thread plz!
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:00:00 -
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Hello Everyone,
I want to thank Lady Spank for thinking of the Friends (http://friendsofeve.wordpress.com), and taking the time to reflect on a recent post about pirates.
Several thoughts to complement and extend those of Lady Spank. I should note that I am a student at Eve University, and nothing I say here represents the views or policies of that institution. I'm speaking on my own.
Piracy is a more complex phenomena than most people realize. Non-pirates tend to lump everything they don't like under piracy, while pirates tend to rationalize all pvp -- and EVE itself -- in terms of their 'life-style'. As someone who enjoys pvp but is adamantly anti-pirate, I think it is vital to maintain a distinction between the two.
Piracy is a choice, to be sure. It is not, however, a life-style choice as in an unproblematic personal preference. On the contrary. Choosing piracy not only reflects the intentions you have for your character, but your actions have consequences for the well-being of others online. The intentions, actions and consequences of piracy make it subject to moral evaluation. This should come as no surprise. All social games and online worlds have this ethical dimension. Pirates frequently try to ignore this, however, by hiding behind moral relativism and refusing to take responsibility for their actions.
In a related vein, most of us have heard about research on video games that claim to establish a weak correlation between real and video violence. Like many others, I'm skeptical of these studies. What is more pertinent to EVE, is the research on pro-social and anti-social behaviour online, and the related question of whether sociopaths choose games like EVE as a way to act out their violent impulses.
Perhaps piracy is best understood as an online way of life that, at a minimum, intentionally victimizes others. The victim is usually vulnerable, and the pirate risks little to nothing at all. Piracy in EVE also represents anti-social behaviour, and it is not unreasonable to suspect that at least some of EVE's pirates are working out other personal issues.
This brief definition of piracy is provisional, and I would appreciate the community's thoughts on the matter.
Cheers!
PS. Lady Spank, do come visit us in Alderat. It would be nice to see you.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank I choose to self harm ingame. It's funny rite.
I simply look at their setups and RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
I mean, when you shoot down a horrible, horrible fit, beyond pr0 and you watch the kmail, all you think is "BY THE GODS HOW CAN HAVE THIS ***GOTERY COME TO PASS FOR SO LONG????!?!?!?!oneoneoneleventwelvepods". ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Jugo
Originally by: The Crushah ...I really consider myself a pre-proto-meta-pirate.
You're in the early stages of, in a crude way, pillaging the concept of piracy itself?
That would make him a piratey pirate pirating piracy
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Helicity Boson on 20/01/2010 15:52:49
Originally by: Delilah Wild bla bla bla
You don't "get" piracy.
In addition foisting your baseless accusations as to what kind of people we are in person on us is antisocial.
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.20 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Delilah Wild What is more pertinent to EVE, is the research on pro-social and anti-social behaviour online, and the related question of whether sociopaths choose games like EVE as a way to act out their violent impulses.
Perhaps piracy is best understood as an online way of life that, at a minimum, intentionally victimizes others. The victim is usually vulnerable, and the pirate risks little to nothing at all. Piracy in EVE also represents anti-social behaviour, and it is not unreasonable to suspect that at least some of EVE's pirates are working out other personal issues.
So the pro-social aspects of EVE are considered antisocial behavior; Piracy, 0.0 warfare, empire merc corps.
But the antisocial aspects of EVE are considered pro-social behavior; mining, industry, marketing, mission w***ing.
Is that what you're saying?
Here's your sign. ♥
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.20 17:49:00 -
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So is antisocial the latest term to toss at carebears now or something?
The OP's friend is thinking too much. Piracy really is just ganking for the lulz on weaker targets foolish enough to step outside of hisec. Thing about EVE is for some reason people love to try and justify whatever they do and blame the victim. So its not just you have to organize an event to gank mining ships, you have to wrap yourself in moral legitimacy by tacking on spurious motives like "teaching miners to align" "introducing risk in hi sec" or " making a statement about insurance."
Lets just keep it simple. It's fun to gank miners, it's fun to gank noobs in lowsec, it's fun not ganking them and having them pay either isk, or in a silly song. It's the justifying that gets annoying, not so much the actions.
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena So is antisocial the latest term to toss at carebears now or something?
In terms of teaming up? Yes.
In terms of actually interacting with people, not really. When I mission w***e, I'm in eve radio chat, c&p, etc. But as for actually fleeting up with people, having fun interacting? That cuts down on my profit, bugger them. ♥
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:46:00 -
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Derr umm it has the word social in it derrr umm and it has the word anti in it so it most mean doesn't like to work with others ummm derrr.
Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."
Not to be confused with Avoidant personality disorder.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:05:00 -
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I was going to raaaaage about necroing this but it's Delilah, so I am honoured ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shawshanke Derr umm it has the word social in it derrr umm and it has the word anti in it so it most mean doesn't like to work with others ummm derrr.
Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."
Not to be confused with Avoidant personality disorder.
The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual does not take into account the fact that no one has any rights in EVE except:
- Those given to us by CCP via the EULA, and in-game mechanics
- Those we make and take for ourselves by force.
Its a game, its how the game is meant to be played. Go cry about the lack of co-operative play in King of the Hill why don't you? ♥
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Ballista III
8e5T Co0pRAt10n 1n Ev3
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Jones Bones A TL:DR would be nice for that useless wall of words.
Stuff happened that wasn't thread worthy but someone made a thread about it, and then someone else made a thread about that.
Wardec incoming tbh.
For once I am proud to say... Bring it on.
to think that i once tried soo hard to bring those two together in peace..........
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ballista III
Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Lady Spank Wardec incoming tbh.
For once I am proud to say... Bring it on.
to think that i once tried soo hard to bring those two together in peace..........
She came at me with a venegance ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
Syringe
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Delilah Wild Hello Everyone,
<stuff>
I think you're thinkin too much about this. Some of us are just little ADD kids that like to watch stuff blow up. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual does not take into account the fact that no one has any rights in EVE except:
- Those given to us by CCP via the EULA, and in-game mechanics
- Those we make and take for ourselves by force.
Its a game, its how the game is meant to be played. Go cry about the lack of co-operative play in King of the Hill why don't you?
The first part of your comment is a pretty good counter argument, but the second part is the typical "it R hte internetz, no talk about anything complexed here. Inernetz is only for talk about cookies and lulz".
To the first part when The American Psychiatric Association talks about "rights" they are talking about basic human rights that stand outside of any set of human rules weather it be in a 3rd word nation or any other form of human interaction.
To the second part, if talking about human interaction is to complex for you just keep cutting and pasting "It be du internetz, it stands in a special netherworld outside of human interaction."
I wont be able to reply for a bit because my GF is feeling needy but I'll be back later.
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shawshanke
Originally by: Awesome Possum
The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual does not take into account the fact that no one has any rights in EVE except:
- Those given to us by CCP via the EULA, and in-game mechanics
- Those we make and take for ourselves by force.
Its a game, its how the game is meant to be played. Go cry about the lack of co-operative play in King of the Hill why don't you?
The first part of your comment is a pretty good counter argument, but the second part is the typical "it R hte internetz, no talk about anything complexed here. Inernetz is only for talk about cookies and lulz".
To the first part when The American Psychiatric Association talks about "rights" they are talking about basic human rights that stand outside of any set of human rules weather it be in a 3rd word nation or any other form of human interaction.
To the second part, if talking about human interaction is to complex for you just keep cutting and pasting "It be du internetz, it stands in a special netherworld outside of human interaction."
I wont be able to reply for a bit because my GF is feeling needy but I'll be back later.
To the first part of your post replying to the first portion of my rebuttal, you're basing this upon the opinion that there is such a thing as universal human rights. I disagree with that opinion, its as illusional as universal morality.
As to the second portion of your post replying to the last bit of my hurf. Nuts! ♥
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