Originally by: TZeer

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Originally by: emotua

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With current prices!

Let's say your currently inside an alliance that needs to be claiming 100 system with a size of 1800 in-game characters, have around 40 systems as JBs to get to empire/allies/near baddies and back.

Hell, we have 160 systems for 2600 people.


Comes dominion, you want to keep that empire you acquired through sweat, tears, and blood. and well, since those r64 ain't gonna pay the bills anymore, we might need a gazillion common goo moons, safe jammed, network infrastucture to move all that, a gazillion belts to rat that upkeep, so your gonna need to keep what you have etc.

well, upkeep indeed... So you would be looking at around :

60*(20+10+4+25)+40*(20+10+4+25+12.5) = ( 3540 + 2860 ) million isk/day = 6.4 billion isk/day => 192 billion isk/30days of JUST paying upkeep.

Not included is the fuel still needed for towers, etc...

BUT you have 1800 people! well actually probably more like 720 real one ( 2 real people / 5 chars | 2 main, 3 alts - average ).
Out of those 720, probably 40% of that mass is really active ( yeah that's a very good number... )

=> 288 active real people => 192 billion isk/288 = 666.66 million isk/month/person ( see! EVIL!) just for the upkeep.


Now According to somebody, you can make 7 million isk every 30 minutes! OMG, we are saved! to the RAVENS!

Well, hold on here, that would require 666/7*30 = 2854 minutes or around 47 hours of your online time every month just to do YOUR PART! would you?

Now, you also need to pay for your ships, fuel for caps, skills, quafe, exotic dancers etc...

oh and wait, it's actually 0.0 here, you actually need some time to defend, attack people, PVP, right?!! what a lot of us pay/play the game for?

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See you are using number to your advantage...

First you say you have 160 systems for 2600 people.

Then you say cause of alts you are actually 720 real one. And 40% of them are really active.

So you actually have 288 active real people.


Now tell me why you need 160 ( actually 158 according to DOTLAN )systems to sustain your 288 real active people. That means you have less then 2 people on average in each systems...

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Originally by: Ariane VoxDei

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I'd like to take a moment to remind a lot of you of something.

Remember how you were all busy gloating and mocking over the 11% NPC corp tax that mostly effects empire dwelling mission runners - and how you forgot to think about the principles at stake?

You are not laughing so much any more, are you. Hello 0.0 taxation.
I am not gloating or "schadenfroh", I am just saying I saw it coming and so should you.
Instead you are now stuck in the same mud that you didn't want to help the carebears out of.

Say no to unnessary taxation, even if it does not hit you - next time it might. Think about it.

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