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Trollin
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:16:00 -
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?
its a week? 2? 3? 15?
where does it say?
rules? in a sandbox? do tell?
You are your own worst enemy. |
ElQuirko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
709
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:18:00 -
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When they're capable of FCing to perfection, have perfect leadership skills, can fit properly and afford alone a titan, and own several tech moons.
CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
414
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:32:00 -
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When they say they are no longer being scammed in Jita. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
97
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:33:00 -
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what if I or a trusty alt are running said scam in Jita?
What then?
Still so green I need pruning? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:34:00 -
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when they stop petitioning every loss
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7921
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:35:00 -
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They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indicationGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
473
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:36:00 -
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This thread is going somewhere.
To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
Masters of Flying Objects
1048
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:36:00 -
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Trollin wrote:?
its a week? 2? 3? 15?
where does it say?
rules? in a sandbox? do tell?
It is not abut the time spent, it is the amount of accounts that matter.
Once you have a falcon alt, a neutral logi alt and a neutral booster alt you are no longer a rookie.
-.- |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
1428
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:38:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:This thread is going somewhere.
To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock.
only after some ISD removes the excessive lines from your post 
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:39:00 -
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When their Space Bollocks drop.
*thanks for the suggestion, Cutter.
Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
473
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:40:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:This thread is going somewhere.
To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. only after some ISD removes the excessive lines from your post
The excessive lines in my post contain more useful information than half the posts on GD.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
856
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:41:00 -
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The moment a player tells another player "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is the day that player is no longer a rookie
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
651
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:48:00 -
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CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all.
I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything.
It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service. |
Danfen Fenix
Council Of Internal War
The Paganism Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:00:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all.
Argueably though, lets say they say its 14 days. You'll only get people trying to kill players who are 14 days 1 hour old...
This is one case where I think CCP/GMs should be allowed to use a variable judgment. Afterall, rookies are potential new, long term players. The more long term players they can get to stay, the better the game will become, afterall that is the best way of making the game grow (if it only grew through alts, we'll all get bored of each other after a while). Trying to keep them in the game provides benefits both to CCP (revenue) and us as a playerbase (more targets/friends/contacts/thieves/FCs/scammers/helpers/blah blah)
Edit: the limit 'should' be, however, around 30 days, as that is afterall the time you are kicked out of 'Rookie help', and thus apparently viewed by CCP as no longer a rookie. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
347
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:03:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service.
I wouldn't exactly say that... Rather, CCP is keeping the door open in order to grief whoever they want to.
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ElQuirko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
711
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:05:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:The moment a player tells another player "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is the day that player is no longer a rookie
Wrong. I tell people that all the time and then fly carriers which I can technically afford to but really hate to lose into goon POSes.
CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Derus Grobb
Iron Oxide Institute
91
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:06:00 -
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Does it matter? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
715
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:09:00 -
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They are kicked from rookie chat after 30 days.
I'd imagine 30 days.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:09:00 -
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If this is about GM involvement, why not give rookies a special color so everyone knows not to screw with them. It can be account based and time spent in game should be a factor.
All I hear is goons this and goons that, it's like you people are the villiagers from goons village. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
497
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:27:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock.
/blush
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
475
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:29:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock.
/blush
*hugs THE LOCK*
Here, have a cookie...
*gives cookie*
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
350
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:32:00 -
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Trollin wrote:?
its a week? 2? 3? 15?
where does it say?
rules? in a sandbox? do tell?
I'm a rookie. don't shoot me.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1418
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:33:00 -
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CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.
x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!
So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.
You don't know. |||| Space News |
Danfen Fenix
Council Of Internal War
The Paganism Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:36:00 -
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Degren wrote:CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.
x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!
So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.
5 mil could be a 'bit' much though....thats at 'least' 2 months of casual training. You can't let people go unganked for that long  |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
849
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Posted - 2012.06.13 23:06:00 -
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We're forever rookie in this game.
"Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
1432
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Posted - 2012.06.13 23:08:00 -
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Degren wrote:CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.
x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!
So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.
but isn't someone who makes their SP public still a rookie no matter how many SP they have?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
106
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Posted - 2012.06.14 00:25:00 -
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I'll answer this question based on the Four Stages of Competence.
A newbie is something who is unconsciously incompetent: They don't know jack and are stumbling blindly around, unaware of how ignorant they are.
A rookie is someone who is consciously incompetent: They don't know jack, but realize that EVE is a very large and complex thing and have a basic understanding of what they need to learn.
Obviously, under this system, what I'd consider a newbie, the GM would consider a rookie.
I had a trial account a year and a half ago, quit before it finished, and subbed for the first time 12 days ago. I have ~650k SP and 20 million isk.
I was doing the Sisters of EVE arc a week ago when I came to a mob I needed help with. After several hours of trying and failing, I asked in Local for help. Someone fleeted up with me told me to wait a minute while they got their battleship. What did I do? Immediately strip my destroyer of all high/low slot modules and switched out my newly bought guns for the Light Laser Beam I I'd gotten in the starter systems.
I knew it was possible he'd warp in and blow me up with no repercussion as we were fleeted. I had gotten the Destroyer for free and insured it, so I might lose my ship and fail the mission, but at least I'd earn isk from it.
The guy turned out to be quite cool and friendly, but if heGÇÖd decided to pop my ship or if he stole my mission target to sell on the black market, and I petitioned, I suspect that a GM who looked at my character/account would say GÇÿthis is a rookie player.GÇÖ
That is, theyGÇÖd look at my trial account over a year ago and my five day old character and think, GÇÿThis is a person who does not know jack about EVE and is stumbling around blindly, unaware of how ignorant they are.GÇÖ The reason GMs donGÇÖt want to give people an exact date range for being a rookie is that itGÇÖs hard to put a date range on justifiable cluelessness vs. unjustifiable cluelessness vs. idiot tax.
although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 00:32:00 -
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An entirely subjective question. Ask the mongrels slobbering and gnashing their teeth and they'll give an answer that reflects the idea that a rookie is no longer a rookie the first moment he steps out of a rookie system. But ask a rookie that question, and you are liable to get an answer of a much longer timeframe.
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:05:00 -
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When you know that you are flying a fail fit - and do it just for laughs. |
Dakeen Kurvora
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 01:50:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all.
I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything.
It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service.
The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies. |
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