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Trollin 80	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:16:00 - [1] - Quote ? its a week? 2? 3? 15? where does it say? rules? in a sandbox? do tell? You are your own worst enemy.
ElQuirko The Scope Gallente Federation 709	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote When they're capable of FCing to perfection, have perfect leadership skills, can fit properly and afford alone a titan, and own several tech moons. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
AFK Hauler State War Academy 414	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:32:00 - [3] - Quote When they say they are no longer being scammed in Jita.
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 97	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote what if I or a trusty alt are running said scam in Jita? What then? Still so green I need pruning?
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1427	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:34:00 - [5] - Quote when they stop petitioning every loss The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7921	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indicationGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 473	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:36:00 - [7] - Quote This thread is going somewhere. To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue.
Zimmy Zeta Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects 1048	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:36:00 - [8] - Quote Trollin wrote: ? its a week? 2? 3? 15? where does it say? rules? in a sandbox? do tell? It is not abut the time spent, it is the amount of accounts that matter. Once you have a falcon alt, a neutral logi alt and a neutral booster alt you are no longer a rookie. -.-
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1428	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:38:00 - [9] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: This thread is going somewhere. To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. only after some ISD removes the excessive lines from your post The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Shalia Ripper 136	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote When their Space Bollocks drop. *thanks for the suggestion, Cutter. Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 473	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:40:00 - [11] - Quote Morganta wrote: Cutter Isaacson wrote: This thread is going somewhere. To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. only after some ISD removes the excessive lines from your post The excessive lines in my post contain more useful information than half the posts on GD. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue.
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 856	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:41:00 - [12] - Quote The moment a player tells another player "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is the day that player is no longer a rookie Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 651	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:48:00 - [13] - Quote CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all. I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything. It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service.
Danfen Fenix Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:00:00 - [14] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all. Argueably though, lets say they say its 14 days. You'll only get people trying to kill players who are 14 days 1 hour old... This is one case where I think CCP/GMs should be allowed to use a variable judgment. Afterall, rookies are potential new, long term players. The more long term players they can get to stay, the better the game will become, afterall that is the best way of making the game grow (if it only grew through alts, we'll all get bored of each other after a while). Trying to keep them in the game provides benefits both to CCP (revenue) and us as a playerbase (more targets/friends/contacts/thieves/FCs/scammers/helpers/blah blah) Edit: the limit 'should' be, however, around 30 days, as that is afterall the time you are kicked out of 'Rookie help', and thus apparently viewed by CCP as no longer a rookie.
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 347	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:03:00 - [15] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service. I wouldn't exactly say that... Rather, CCP is keeping the door open in order to grief whoever they want to. Nothing Found
ElQuirko The Scope Gallente Federation 711	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:05:00 - [16] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: The moment a player tells another player "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is the day that player is no longer a rookie Wrong. I tell people that all the time and then fly carriers which I can technically afford to but really hate to lose into goon POSes. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Derus Grobb Iron Oxide Institute 91	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:06:00 - [17] - Quote Does it matter?
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 715	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote They are kicked from rookie chat after 30 days. I'd imagine 30 days. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:09:00 - [19] - Quote If this is about GM involvement, why not give rookies a special color so everyone knows not to screw with them. It can be account based and time spent in game should be a factor. All I hear is goons this and goons that, it's like you people are the villiagers from goons village.
THE L0CK Denying You Access 497	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:27:00 - [20] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. /blush Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 475	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:29:00 - [21] - Quote THE L0CK wrote: Cutter Isaacson wrote: To the bottom of the forums, with a lovely lock. /blush hugs THE LOCK Here, have a cookie... gives cookie Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue.
Ris Dnalor Black Rebel Rifter Club 350	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote Trollin wrote: ? its a week? 2? 3? 15? where does it say? rules? in a sandbox? do tell? I'm a rookie. don't shoot me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961 EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody - Qolde
Degren Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1418	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:33:00 - [23] - Quote CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest. x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null! So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark. You don't know. \|\|\|\| Space News
Danfen Fenix Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:36:00 - [24] - Quote Degren wrote: CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest. x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null! So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark. 5 mil could be a 'bit' much though....thats at 'least' 2 months of casual training. You can't let people go unganked for that long
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 849	Posted - 2012.06.13 23:06:00 - [25] - Quote We're forever rookie in this game. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1432	Posted - 2012.06.13 23:08:00 - [26] - Quote Degren wrote: CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest. x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null! So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark. but isn't someone who makes their SP public still a rookie no matter how many SP they have? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Makkal Hanaya Drakenburg 106	Posted - 2012.06.14 00:25:00 - [27] - Quote I'll answer this question based on the Four Stages of Competence. A newbie is something who is unconsciously incompetent: They don't know jack and are stumbling blindly around, unaware of how ignorant they are. A rookie is someone who is consciously incompetent: They don't know jack, but realize that EVE is a very large and complex thing and have a basic understanding of what they need to learn. Obviously, under this system, what I'd consider a newbie, the GM would consider a rookie. I had a trial account a year and a half ago, quit before it finished, and subbed for the first time 12 days ago. I have ~650k SP and 20 million isk. I was doing the Sisters of EVE arc a week ago when I came to a mob I needed help with. After several hours of trying and failing, I asked in Local for help. Someone fleeted up with me told me to wait a minute while they got their battleship. What did I do? Immediately strip my destroyer of all high/low slot modules and switched out my newly bought guns for the Light Laser Beam I I'd gotten in the starter systems. I knew it was possible he'd warp in and blow me up with no repercussion as we were fleeted. I had gotten the Destroyer for free and insured it, so I might lose my ship and fail the mission, but at least I'd earn isk from it. The guy turned out to be quite cool and friendly, but if heGÇÖd decided to pop my ship or if he stole my mission target to sell on the black market, and I petitioned, I suspect that a GM who looked at my character/account would say GÇÿthis is a rookie player.GÇÖ That is, theyGÇÖd look at my trial account over a year ago and my five day old character and think, GÇÿThis is a person who does not know jack about EVE and is stumbling around blindly, unaware of how ignorant they are.GÇÖ The reason GMs donGÇÖt want to give people an exact date range for being a rookie is that itGÇÖs hard to put a date range on justifiable cluelessness vs. unjustifiable cluelessness vs. idiot tax. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Jimmy Gunsmythe Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.06.14 00:32:00 - [28] - Quote An entirely subjective question. Ask the mongrels slobbering and gnashing their teeth and they'll give an answer that reflects the idea that a rookie is no longer a rookie the first moment he steps out of a rookie system. But ask a rookie that question, and you are liable to get an answer of a much longer timeframe. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion.
Savage Angel Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.06.14 01:05:00 - [29] - Quote When you know that you are flying a fail fit - and do it just for laughs.
Dakeen Kurvora Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.14 01:50:00 - [30] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all. I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything. It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service. The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 462	Posted - 2012.06.14 01:53:00 - [31] - Quote When you enter a PVP fight that lasts longer than this girl does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnOSASUHAJ8 Check out the new Orca model, brought to you by the Unified Inventory System http://i.imgur.com/InJgK.jpg-á
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 132	Posted - 2012.06.14 04:12:00 - [32] - Quote Dakeen Kurvora wrote: The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies. So how do I tell someone is a rookie? If you came across my alt, would you know he was a rookie? How do you tell the difference between a 2 week old disposable alt, that's used to gank miners, and a player that just joined EVE two weeks ago? There's a huge difference between someone that's new to EVE and a 6 year vet with a new alt account. You're right though, loopholes will be found, and they never actually benefit the game. PS: I'm rather dissapointed people haven't been making a fuss about this.
Luis Graca 48	Posted - 2012.06.14 05:24:00 - [33] - Quote You know wend someone is not a rookie when they start posting on forum , like a true EVE players do
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 623	Posted - 2012.06.14 05:29:00 - [34] - Quote Trollin wrote: ? its a week? 2? 3? 15? where does it say? rules? in a sandbox? do tell? I would say when you get killed and podded for the first time; then track down and kill, then pod the person who did you. .
Dakeen Kurvora Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.14 05:47:00 - [35] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Dakeen Kurvora wrote: The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies. So how do I tell someone is a rookie? If you came across my alt, would you know he was a rookie? How do you tell the difference between a 2 week old disposable alt, that's used to gank miners, and a player that just joined EVE two weeks ago? There's a huge difference between someone that's new to EVE and a 6 year vet with a new alt account. You're right though, loopholes will be found, and they never actually benefit the game. PS: I'm rather dissapointed people haven't been making a fuss about this. Alt or not, if you don't know your better off not doing anything if they are under a month(At least) What is their to make fuss about? People kill miners for laughs or whatever other reasons. You would be incorrect if your thinking rookies aren't a favorite target of a certain selection of players, and do not need some loose protection. CCP must do something to help keep up player retention. Give them their month of peace. With the exception of war and lawless systems. Even in low sec I'm apt to give them a beating and send them home on fire than actually blowing them up (With nice message sayings something like "You really shouldn't be here". Come back and then it's their fault.
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2012.06.14 06:52:00 - [36] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all. I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything. It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service. See this makes a rookie. Rookies are players that can not figure out the game and then whine about it in the forums. They can be 1 week old or even 4+ years old. Age has nothing to do with being a rookie. Not learning the game and rely upon in game chat for your game info is being a rookie. The game has a petition system. If you are unsure and can not figure out the answer anywhere to your problem then you can preemtively ask the GM in petition format is this game play allowed. You can get different answers from different GM. But you have an answer that you can cut and paste to defend your action as being allowed in game from a GM. Doing that is being self relliant and not being a rookie. Any age pilot can be a rookie IMHO.
Mallak Azaria 204	Posted - 2012.06.14 06:57:00 - [37] - Quote Tippia wrote: They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indicationGÇª Anyway, CCP is not going to tell you. Although one nice GM did point out in another thread that a person in an Exhumer is not a rookie
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 213	Posted - 2012.06.14 08:51:00 - [38] - Quote Good news when you live in null, all targets are fair because 90% of rookie characters are only cyno alts, scouts or PI alts. For other people not knowing what to do just use your little brains for once and remember GM advice, if you have any doubt, don't do it, of you do it's 50/50 you might receive some sledgehammer hit over yer tiny balls. If you take the risk you must accept repercussions and stop begging. brb
ACE McFACE 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 700	Posted - 2012.06.14 08:55:00 - [39] - Quote When they realise the forums are were most of the PvP is at I just gotta go fast!
Jack Miton Bite Me inc Exhale. 309	Posted - 2012.06.14 09:56:00 - [40] - Quote You need to rage quit at least once to stop being a rookie. ;)
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 233	Posted - 2012.06.14 09:58:00 - [41] - Quote When they're kicked outta rookie chat, obviously. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
BoSau Hotim 118	Posted - 2012.06.14 10:14:00 - [42] - Quote This really is a good question. You know a player can be banned for can baiting a rookie if he is on the epic arc missions (out of starter system here)... True Fact. So I asked them how does a player know a rookie is on an epic arc mission? Answer: You don't.... And when is a rookie no longer a rookie? 30 days? When they leave starter systems? When they join a player corp? Are they gonna have rookies turn hot pink if someone flips their can? I'm not a carebear...-áI'm a SPACEBARBIE!
Zleon Leigh 154	Posted - 2012.06.14 10:20:00 - [43] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: If this is about GM involvement, why not give rookies a special color so everyone knows not to screw with them. It can be account based and time spent in game should be a factor. Someone suggested giving them ships with special protections. Disable offensive capabilities outside of rookie systems. I thought that was a great idea - put some lore behind it and it would make sense. Have the ships evaporate, err.. get turned back into POD Production Command at the end of 30 days. But not putting a number on when rookies/newbies are no longer rookies is simply a cop out - and frankly a pretty sorry one. As someone else suggested - this is something that could be easily coded into the game. I totally agree. GM's should not have to be involved at all. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day
Keno Skir 145	Posted - 2012.06.14 10:30:00 - [44] - Quote Makkal Hanaya wrote: I knew it was possible he'd warp in and blow me up with no repercussion as we were fleeted.. You are a most definitely still a rookie. Fleeting with someone outside your corp (even same alliance) does NOT give you kill rights on that person nor them on you. This is a common rookie mis-conception. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 588	Posted - 2012.06.14 10:55:00 - [45] - Quote Tippia wrote: They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indicationGÇª 30 days is the definition we use for the Rookie Help channel. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 233	Posted - 2012.06.14 11:00:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Tippia wrote: They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indicationGÇª 30 days is the definition we use for the Rookie Help channel. Freakin' called it! Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Hauling Hal The Black Ops 75	Posted - 2012.06.14 11:05:00 - [47] - Quote I'd add that the another reason CCP may not give an age limit is that if the account is 8 years old and someone creates a brand new hauling alt, CCP don't want to be bound by giving that character the same protection as a true new player. i.e. It's not just about what age are they old enough to shoot. The rules are vague on purpose, so the attacker has to think: Is this 2 day old character flying a hauler around Fountain a Rookie? Is this 3 month old character in a Merlin fitted with lasers in a level 1 mission a Rookie? The first is a legitimate target, the second is a waste of ammo.
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 558	Posted - 2012.06.14 11:05:00 - [48] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Makkal Hanaya wrote: I knew it was possible he'd warp in and blow me up with no repercussion as we were fleeted.. You are a most definitely still a rookie. Fleeting with someone outside your corp (even same alliance) does NOT give you kill rights on that person nor them on you. This is a common rookie mis-conception. You are right, though it once was possible. Was called 'the Lofty scam' (although he claimed to only have used it once). I was 10 days old when they tried that on me: 'yoh, fleet up, we go to null, I shoot rats and you salvage, get RIIIIICH!!'. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 371	Posted - 2012.06.14 11:11:00 - [49] - Quote Hauling Hal wrote: Is this 2 day old character flying a hauler around Fountain a Rookie? It has already been stated by a GM in another Thread that a rookie is fair game in low-sec. So a rookie also gets no protection in Null or w-space. EVERYBODY KNOWS
Hauling Hal The Black Ops 75	Posted - 2012.06.14 12:36:00 - [50] - Quote Simetraz wrote: Hauling Hal wrote: Is this 2 day old character flying a hauler around Fountain a Rookie? It has already been stated by a GM in another Thread that a rookie is fair game in low-sec. So a rookie also gets no protection in Null or w-space. Thanks for supporting my argument as to why CCP will never give a Rookie an age limit.
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 876	Posted - 2012.06.14 12:50:00 - [51] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: MotherMoon wrote: The moment a player tells another player "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is the day that player is no longer a rookie Wrong. I tell people that all the time and then fly carriers which I can technically afford to but really hate to lose into goon POSes. ? You mean right, since your not a rookie anymore. You know the saying, you say it to others. Doesn't mean you have to follow it. But the second you tell another player to not fly what THEY can not afford to lose, you are no longer a rookie. You get eve, whether or not you follow that same advice is a different story. :P In fact even players who don't follow that advice it say it others! check mate Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

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