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SirMolle	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:02:00 - [1] Today, i was approached by the general ISD divison. I'll let this speak for itself. Quote: [17:10:22] Shrike > Yes? [17:11:05] Emilianne Bouteiller > Greetings Shrike. I am Emilianne Bouteiller of the ISD-IC. I was wondering if you could spare a few moments of your time to answer some questions about the recent goings on in Fountain [17:11:27] Shrike > I think that has been reported already by ISD once, or is this a followup? [17:11:40] Emilianne Bouteiller > This is a followup article [17:11:46] Shrike > Sure. [17:11:52] Emilianne Bouteiller > Thankyou [17:13:02] Emilianne Bouteiller > Firstly, Why did Evolution and BoB enter Fountain Alliance sovereign space, even after you were warned not to, and engaged FA ships? [17:13:20] Shrike > Excuse me? Who claims this? [17:14:14] Emilianne Bouteiller > Tornsoul, and we have copies of chatlogs in which BoB is asked to leave [17:15:14] Shrike > Since you are referring to logs, i need to know which logs. [17:15:30] Shrike > And with whom. [17:16:25] Emilianne Bouteiller > Local Chat between yourself, the lung187 and CrazyTom. It was in YZ-LQL and you claimed that you were"sightseeing" [17:17:04] Shrike > Thats the given asnwer to anyone who asks what we are doing anywhere unless its a official question. [17:17:36] Shrike > Which other logs are you referring to? Since you referred to several logs. [17:19:19] Emilianne Bouteiller > Well the other log refers to one reason made for the "sightseing tour". You claim that your Pilot, Shirak was murdered by the FA. But we have the logs which indicate that Shirak fired first and was killed in self defense [17:19:32] Emilianne Bouteiller > (Combat logs) [17:19:58] Shrike > We claimed Shirak was killed by a FA pilot. Whoever fired first, no clue. [17:22:13] Emilianne Bouteiller > You said in YZ-LQL: [ 2004.10.31 03:46:36 ] thelung187 > when has FA been anything less than completely hospitable towards Evol? [ 2004.10.31 03:47:33 ] Shrike > Since you killed 1 of our pilots in Outer ring about 1 hour ago. [17:22:17] Shrike > So, what is FA accusing us of? [17:23:33] Emilianne Bouteiller > The FA is accusing you of exploiting a situation of aggreession, which a pilot in your corporation started, to have an excuse to enter Fountain to provoke a war [17:37:47 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > No, the original article said that the FA killed Shirak without provokation. When the FA heard this they contacted us to say that it was in fact the Evolution pilot that fired first, which changed the percieved events entirely. So we are trying to get the truth of what happened [17:38:05 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > The FA is accusing you of exploiting a situation of aggreession, which a pilot in your corporation started, to have an excuse to enter Fountain to provoke a war [17:38:35 ] Shrike > Fact; FA killed one of our pilots. [17:38:46 ] Shrike > Fatc; We went in guns blazing. [17:38:55 ] Shrike > Fact; FA wants to spin this. [17:39:18 ] Shrike > Fact; FA are pproaching you to followup, hence you are taking side. [17:39:44 ] Shrike > Fact; FA agreed to the terms we stated to vacate our main force. [17:40:01 ] Shrike > Fact; FA Then rengeed the fact that one small wing was supposed to stay. [17:40:12 ] Shrike > Fact; Any FA EVOL sees will be killed. [17:40:55 ] Shrike > Fact; FA killed 1 frigate 1 pod, after we left the eare. [17:41:44 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > From that chain of events you are stating, you are saying you went in because shirak was killed. But if he fireed first how can you justify the retaliatory measures? [17:41:52 ] Shrike > Jesus [17:42:07 ] Shrike > He got killed by a FA pilot. [17:42:16 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > In self defense [17:42:19 ] Shrike > Means we go in guns blazing [17:43:17 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > So if someone kills one of your pilots in self defense they are in the wrong? [17:43:27 ] Shrike > Ill make it easy for you [17:43:32 ] Shrike > After all this has happened [17:43:35 ] Shrike > Ill say this [17:44:15 ] Shrike > We do not recognize FA as a entity, we do not recognize FA's claim to Fountain, we do not recognize FA*s claim to qeurios or Delve stations. [17:44:58 ] Shrike > FA is NOW, our enemy, and we WILL engage them. When and where we choose. [17:46:14 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > Is the only reason for this the fact that they killed one of your pilots? You were a co-founding member of the FA, so whyare you now refusing to recognise them? [17:46:39 ] Shrike > After all this has happened, we do no longer recognize anything from FA. [17:47:21 ] Shrike > They could have been satisfied with what went down and left it at that, apparantly and obviously they are not, and this contacting you to shift blaim, is a PR thing. [17:47:31 ] Shrike > Since they are not, hey, we'll go all out. [17:47:58 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > So this isn't over? Do you plan to invade again? [17:48:47 ] Shrike > Its clear that FA doesnt want it to be over.
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:02:00 - [2] Today, i was approached by the general ISD divison. I'll let this speak for itself. Quote: [17:10:22] Shrike > Yes? [17:11:05] Emilianne Bouteiller > Greetings Shrike. I am Emilianne Bouteiller of the ISD-IC. I was wondering if you could spare a few moments of your time to answer some questions about the recent goings on in Fountain [17:11:27] Shrike > I think that has been reported already by ISD once, or is this a followup? [17:11:40] Emilianne Bouteiller > This is a followup article [17:11:46] Shrike > Sure. [17:11:52] Emilianne Bouteiller > Thankyou [17:13:02] Emilianne Bouteiller > Firstly, Why did Evolution and BoB enter Fountain Alliance sovereign space, even after you were warned not to, and engaged FA ships? [17:13:20] Shrike > Excuse me? Who claims this? [17:14:14] Emilianne Bouteiller > Tornsoul, and we have copies of chatlogs in which BoB is asked to leave [17:15:14] Shrike > Since you are referring to logs, i need to know which logs. [17:15:30] Shrike > And with whom. [17:16:25] Emilianne Bouteiller > Local Chat between yourself, the lung187 and CrazyTom. It was in YZ-LQL and you claimed that you were"sightseeing" [17:17:04] Shrike > Thats the given asnwer to anyone who asks what we are doing anywhere unless its a official question. [17:17:36] Shrike > Which other logs are you referring to? Since you referred to several logs. [17:19:19] Emilianne Bouteiller > Well the other log refers to one reason made for the "sightseing tour". You claim that your Pilot, Shirak was murdered by the FA. But we have the logs which indicate that Shirak fired first and was killed in self defense [17:19:32] Emilianne Bouteiller > (Combat logs) [17:19:58] Shrike > We claimed Shirak was killed by a FA pilot. Whoever fired first, no clue. [17:22:13] Emilianne Bouteiller > You said in YZ-LQL: [ 2004.10.31 03:46:36 ] thelung187 > when has FA been anything less than completely hospitable towards Evol? [ 2004.10.31 03:47:33 ] Shrike > Since you killed 1 of our pilots in Outer ring about 1 hour ago. [17:22:17] Shrike > So, what is FA accusing us of? [17:23:33] Emilianne Bouteiller > The FA is accusing you of exploiting a situation of aggreession, which a pilot in your corporation started, to have an excuse to enter Fountain to provoke a war [17:37:47 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > No, the original article said that the FA killed Shirak without provokation. When the FA heard this they contacted us to say that it was in fact the Evolution pilot that fired first, which changed the percieved events entirely. So we are trying to get the truth of what happened [17:38:05 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > The FA is accusing you of exploiting a situation of aggreession, which a pilot in your corporation started, to have an excuse to enter Fountain to provoke a war [17:38:35 ] Shrike > Fact; FA killed one of our pilots. [17:38:46 ] Shrike > Fatc; We went in guns blazing. [17:38:55 ] Shrike > Fact; FA wants to spin this. [17:39:18 ] Shrike > Fact; FA are pproaching you to followup, hence you are taking side. [17:39:44 ] Shrike > Fact; FA agreed to the terms we stated to vacate our main force. [17:40:01 ] Shrike > Fact; FA Then rengeed the fact that one small wing was supposed to stay. [17:40:12 ] Shrike > Fact; Any FA EVOL sees will be killed. [17:40:55 ] Shrike > Fact; FA killed 1 frigate 1 pod, after we left the eare. [17:41:44 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > From that chain of events you are stating, you are saying you went in because shirak was killed. But if he fireed first how can you justify the retaliatory measures? [17:41:52 ] Shrike > Jesus [17:42:07 ] Shrike > He got killed by a FA pilot. [17:42:16 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > In self defense [17:42:19 ] Shrike > Means we go in guns blazing [17:43:17 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > So if someone kills one of your pilots in self defense they are in the wrong? [17:43:27 ] Shrike > Ill make it easy for you [17:43:32 ] Shrike > After all this has happened [17:43:35 ] Shrike > Ill say this [17:44:15 ] Shrike > We do not recognize FA as a entity, we do not recognize FA's claim to Fountain, we do not recognize FA*s claim to qeurios or Delve stations. [17:44:58 ] Shrike > FA is NOW, our enemy, and we WILL engage them. When and where we choose. [17:46:14 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > Is the only reason for this the fact that they killed one of your pilots? You were a co-founding member of the FA, so whyare you now refusing to recognise them? [17:46:39 ] Shrike > After all this has happened, we do no longer recognize anything from FA. [17:47:21 ] Shrike > They could have been satisfied with what went down and left it at that, apparantly and obviously they are not, and this contacting you to shift blaim, is a PR thing. [17:47:31 ] Shrike > Since they are not, hey, we'll go all out. [17:47:58 ] Emilianne Bouteiller > So this isn't over? Do you plan to invade again? [17:48:47 ] Shrike > Its clear that FA doesnt want it to be over.
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:04:00 - [3] My reply to this is simple, and i'll quote one of our members; Quote: [19:00] <RinnyWee> wtf [19:00] <RinnyWee> that's not ******* reporting [19:01] <RinnyWee> that's third class espionage and info gathering for FA and my son could do better than that
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:04:00 - [4] My reply to this is simple, and i'll quote one of our members; Quote: [19:00] <RinnyWee> wtf [19:00] <RinnyWee> that's not ******* reporting [19:01] <RinnyWee> that's third class espionage and info gathering for FA and my son could do better than that
Soulsucker	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:08:00 - [5] hello im an alt. I guess FA want evol to bend over now.
Soulsucker	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:08:00 - [6] hello im an alt. I guess FA want evol to bend over now.
Bacchuss	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:10:00 - [7] i got 20 bucks on evol kicking fa's ass
Bacchuss	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:10:00 - [8] i got 20 bucks on evol kicking fa's ass
dimensionZ	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:13:00 - [9] Errr, ISD defending FA ? Now thats interesting ....
dimensionZ	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:13:00 - [10] Errr, ISD defending FA ? Now thats interesting ....
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Bacchuss i got 20 bucks on evol kicking fa's ass I got 20 bucks on an Evol member DDOS'ing FA teamsp... oopsie did said that? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Bacchuss i got 20 bucks on evol kicking fa's ass I got 20 bucks on an Evol member DDOS'ing FA teamsp... oopsie did said that? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Soren	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:15:00 - [13] Have fun FA needs some toughening up anyways. _________________________________________________________
Soren	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:15:00 - [14] Have fun FA needs some toughening up anyways. _________________________________________________________
Dafuzz	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:17:00 - [15] Yes, this is interesting. Good luck sorting this one out. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Dafuzz	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:17:00 - [16] Yes, this is interesting. Good luck sorting this one out. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
geffen	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:17:00 - [17] you send one guy in to start hostilities and then claim you were wronged? lmao
geffen	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:17:00 - [18] you send one guy in to start hostilities and then claim you were wronged? lmao
Svabbi k	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:18:00 - [19] mmmm interesting.....
Svabbi k	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:18:00 - [20] mmmm interesting.....
fugazii	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:22:00 - [21] so let me get this straight ur **ed cuz one of ur guys engaged a fa guy got pwned and ur **ed cuz ur guy was to much ofa noob to kill him? wtf, now im no supporter of fa but why use that as a reason to invade, it makes u guys look like for a lack of a better word, complete and utter dumbasses. it would make u guys look alot better to jst come out and say "we dont like u, so u die now." w/that excuse u wouldnt even hav to admit that a member of ur corp got pwned by a fa guy (<---shame in itself).
fugazii	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:22:00 - [22] so let me get this straight ur **ed cuz one of ur guys engaged a fa guy got pwned and ur **ed cuz ur guy was to much ofa noob to kill him? wtf, now im no supporter of fa but why use that as a reason to invade, it makes u guys look like for a lack of a better word, complete and utter dumbasses. it would make u guys look alot better to jst come out and say "we dont like u, so u die now." w/that excuse u wouldnt even hav to admit that a member of ur corp got pwned by a fa guy (<---shame in itself).
Molaorim Phenaki	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:36:00 - [23] Edited by: Molaorim Phenaki on 04/11/2004 18:39:06 the truth is out molle, you shouldn't whine when it was you who lied <+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros? <&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg <+Stavros> nothing much <+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P <&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll?
Molaorim Phenaki	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Molaorim Phenaki on 04/11/2004 18:39:06 the truth is out molle, you shouldn't whine when it was you who lied <+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros? <&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg <+Stavros> nothing much <+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P <&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll?
slothe	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:40:00 - [25] Question - who shot who first? just out of interest Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
slothe	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:40:00 - [26] Question - who shot who first? just out of interest Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:46:00 - [27] k... www.dark-cartel.com
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:46:00 - [28] k... www.dark-cartel.com
Molaorim Phenaki	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:46:00 - [29] Originally by: slothe Question - who shot who first? just out of interest i think molle pretty much owned up. evol shot fa first. <+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros? <&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg <+Stavros> nothing much <+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P <&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll?
Molaorim Phenaki	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:46:00 - [30] Originally by: slothe Question - who shot who first? just out of interest i think molle pretty much owned up. evol shot fa first. <+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros? <&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg <+Stavros> nothing much <+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P <&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll?
Quarath	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:54:00 - [31] Originally by: fugazii so let me get this straight ur **ed cuz one of ur guys engaged a fa guy got pwned and ur **ed cuz ur guy was to much ofa noob to kill him? wtf, now im no supporter of fa but why use that as a reason to invade, it makes u guys look like for a lack of a better word, complete and utter dumbasses. it would make u guys look alot better to jst come out and say "we dont like u, so u die now." w/that excuse u wouldnt even hav to admit that a member of ur corp got pwned by a fa guy (<---shame in itself). sigh, i dont like it when i have to agree with a pirate _____________ creator of the territorial map of EVE I do not deal with lesser life forms. ...yes, I'm a lonely g
Quarath	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:54:00 - [32] Originally by: fugazii so let me get this straight ur **ed cuz one of ur guys engaged a fa guy got pwned and ur **ed cuz ur guy was to much ofa noob to kill him? wtf, now im no supporter of fa but why use that as a reason to invade, it makes u guys look like for a lack of a better word, complete and utter dumbasses. it would make u guys look alot better to jst come out and say "we dont like u, so u die now." w/that excuse u wouldnt even hav to admit that a member of ur corp got pwned by a fa guy (<---shame in itself). sigh, i dont like it when i have to agree with a pirate _____________ creator of the territorial map of EVE I do not deal with lesser life forms. ...yes, I'm a lonely g
geffen	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:55:00 - [33] Originally by: slothe Question - who shot who first? just out of interest Quote: [17:19:19] Emilianne Bouteiller > Well the other log refers to one reason made for the "sightseing tour". You claim that your Pilot, Shirak was murdered by the FA. But we have the logs which indicate that Shirak fired first and was killed in self defense [17:19:32] Emilianne Bouteiller > (Combat logs) i think that sums it up.
geffen	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:55:00 - [34] Originally by: slothe Question - who shot who first? just out of interest Quote: [17:19:19] Emilianne Bouteiller > Well the other log refers to one reason made for the "sightseing tour". You claim that your Pilot, Shirak was murdered by the FA. But we have the logs which indicate that Shirak fired first and was killed in self defense [17:19:32] Emilianne Bouteiller > (Combat logs) i think that sums it up.
Orestes	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:56:00 - [35] I apologise for the tone in which the interview was conducted. It was not intended as an act of hostility towards Evolution or the BoB forces, nor was it intended as an information gathering exercise. It is not the intent of the ISD-IC to display hostility towards any eve faction. We want to get to the truth, without choosing sides. Again, I apologise on behalf of the ISD-IC (Emille isn't allowed to post). This was a good lesson for our side of things. Thanks for taking the time to talk it over with me. Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:56:00 - [36] I apologise for the tone in which the interview was conducted. It was not intended as an act of hostility towards Evolution or the BoB forces, nor was it intended as an information gathering exercise. It is not the intent of the ISD-IC to display hostility towards any eve faction. We want to get to the truth, without choosing sides. Again, I apologise on behalf of the ISD-IC (Emille isn't allowed to post). This was a good lesson for our side of things. Thanks for taking the time to talk it over with me. Join the IC!
Anice	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:58:00 - [37] Looks like it's boring in venal :) "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" - Carl Gustav Jung
Anice	Posted - 2004.11.04 18:58:00 - [38] Looks like it's boring in venal :) "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" - Carl Gustav Jung
Mahou TsukaiTai	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:07:00 - [39] Respekt to evol = gone I thot you gyes got style
Mahou TsukaiTai	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:07:00 - [40] Respekt to evol = gone I thot you gyes got style
Slarty Bardfast	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:07:00 - [41] Why not just admit that you're bored in the north. Why claim to have a 'valid reason' for all of this general bull****. You're bored, and you want someone new to shoot. Enjoy blob wars
Slarty Bardfast	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:07:00 - [42] Why not just admit that you're bored in the north. Why claim to have a 'valid reason' for all of this general bull****. You're bored, and you want someone new to shoot. Enjoy blob wars
Anice	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:10:00 - [43] How is this espionage btw? "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" - Carl Gustav Jung
Anice	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:10:00 - [44] How is this espionage btw? "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" - Carl Gustav Jung
kocour	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:17:00 - [45] Looks like backstabbing is a fashion in last weeks. ... Did Nemesis apply to BoB already? And what about honourable BNC? Will they fight alongside these backstabbers?
kocour	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:17:00 - [46] Looks like backstabbing is a fashion in last weeks. ... Did Nemesis apply to BoB already? And what about honourable BNC? Will they fight alongside these backstabbers?
Tieger	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:17:00 - [47] Evol was considered a friend some time ago. Last weekend they lost my respect, and now, after reading this post, i can see evol is pretty much full of $h1t. "FOUNTAIN - Be warned, spin elsewhere." Is it arrogrance or are you just an idiot? Or both?
Tieger	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:17:00 - [48] Evol was considered a friend some time ago. Last weekend they lost my respect, and now, after reading this post, i can see evol is pretty much full of $h1t. "FOUNTAIN - Be warned, spin elsewhere." Is it arrogrance or are you just an idiot? Or both?
Kindathey	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:19:00 - [49] Locked. I don't think this thread will cause more than flames to be posted, at either SirMolle or Emille. EVE Forum Rules - Mail the mods!
Kindathey	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:19:00 - [50] Locked. I don't think this thread will cause more than flames to be posted, at either SirMolle or Emille. EVE Forum Rules - Mail the mods!

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