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Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Lord Anubis on 04/11/2004 19:33:00 Ok for those of you who dont know it seems more and more likly that ccp well nerf the level 4 agents due to the moaning od PVP`ers that there would be no reason to go to 0.0 space, 1 i cant disagree with this enough 2 How the hell can ccp justify the nerf on level 4 agents due to a possible and i do say possible result of thease missions well have. This is just yet one more example of ccp gaving in for the wrong reasons. Please dont and if you do let us know the changes or at least give it 2 months on tq before nerfing it to see if this happens Edited away caps on thread title You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Lord Anubis on 04/11/2004 19:33:00 Ok for those of you who dont know it seems more and more likly that ccp well nerf the level 4 agents due to the moaning od PVP`ers that there would be no reason to go to 0.0 space, 1 i cant disagree with this enough 2 How the hell can ccp justify the nerf on level 4 agents due to a possible and i do say possible result of thease missions well have. This is just yet one more example of ccp gaving in for the wrong reasons. Please dont and if you do let us know the changes or at least give it 2 months on tq before nerfing it to see if this happens Edited away caps on thread title You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
spiritfa11	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:59:00 - [3] i havent heard anything about them nerfing lvl 4 agents however i totally agree with you, that ccp should NOT give in and nerf them as long as lvl 4 agents dont start handing out arkanor asteroid belts there will always be a reason to go out to 0.0. not to mention pos..... --------------------- I'd like to do your sig. You may contact me in-game
spiritfa11	Posted - 2004.11.04 19:59:00 - [4] i havent heard anything about them nerfing lvl 4 agents however i totally agree with you, that ccp should NOT give in and nerf them as long as lvl 4 agents dont start handing out arkanor asteroid belts there will always be a reason to go out to 0.0. not to mention pos..... --------------------- I'd like to do your sig. You may contact me in-game
loladoll	Posted - 2004.11.04 20:35:00 - [5] signed, lets keep lvl4 interesting as intended ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone
loladoll	Posted - 2004.11.04 20:35:00 - [6] signed, lets keep lvl4 interesting as intended ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone
Abomination	Posted - 2004.11.04 20:59:00 - [7] surely starbases are a big enough reason for ppl to go into 0.0????
Abomination	Posted - 2004.11.04 20:59:00 - [8] surely starbases are a big enough reason for ppl to go into 0.0????
Skarsnik	Posted - 2004.11.04 21:24:00 - [9] I also agree - dont nerf them - I'm in 0.0 space now and have enough people to fight - I beleive it could be the greifer types that are possibly complaining - i.e those that call themselves pirate yet aren't as they dont ransom or anything remotly like pirate.. just my 2 penneth --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------
Skarsnik	Posted - 2004.11.04 21:24:00 - [10] I also agree - dont nerf them - I'm in 0.0 space now and have enough people to fight - I beleive it could be the greifer types that are possibly complaining - i.e those that call themselves pirate yet aren't as they dont ransom or anything remotly like pirate.. just my 2 penneth --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------

Cobracure	Posted - 2004.11.05 07:37:00 - [11] Please dont nerf level 4 CCP. Let the people who want to PvP do so in 0.0 (and get the nice rocks) Let those who want to PvE do so against level 4 fat rats.
Cobracure	Posted - 2004.11.05 07:37:00 - [12] Please dont nerf level 4 CCP. Let the people who want to PvP do so in 0.0 (and get the nice rocks) Let those who want to PvE do so against level 4 fat rats.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.11.05 07:49:00 - [13] I`m a bit divided on this. In the past I`ve been a big... big agent ***** (cause I didn`t like mining) For the last 10months I rarely go to empire and my sole source of income is NPC killing (again only because I don`t like mining). I tell you I absolutely hate going to empire... too laggy for my taste, but seeing reports of really cool spawns given from agents I`m actualy considering going back, if only just to check things out. So I think the ppl that are against the current state of lvl4 missions do have a valid concern... there is a ton of isk to be made with not much risk, since one way or another you can easily defeat the AI, while being secure from human opponents. It can`t easily be balanced as many will choose the "no-risk" path rather than dedicating time and money to POS`s and deep space mining.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.11.05 07:49:00 - [14] I`m a bit divided on this. In the past I`ve been a big... big agent ***** (cause I didn`t like mining) For the last 10months I rarely go to empire and my sole source of income is NPC killing (again only because I don`t like mining). I tell you I absolutely hate going to empire... too laggy for my taste, but seeing reports of really cool spawns given from agents I`m actualy considering going back, if only just to check things out. So I think the ppl that are against the current state of lvl4 missions do have a valid concern... there is a ton of isk to be made with not much risk, since one way or another you can easily defeat the AI, while being secure from human opponents. It can`t easily be balanced as many will choose the "no-risk" path rather than dedicating time and money to POS`s and deep space mining.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.11.05 08:29:00 - [15] First, CCP did say that they would look at the lv4 missions, and that they had the same concerns than the players living in 0.0 space (who aren't all pvp'ers, BTW). They never said lv4 missions were going to be reduced in difficulty, so this topic is pointless, but I'll humor you a little. If CCP make impossible to the solo player to do lv4 missions by simply sniping the NPCs from safe distance, I'd agree to keep them as they are now. Lacking that, you get more BS kills/hours, more security, and interesting additional rewards, than the 0.0 NPC hunter. In those conditions, why do you think the numerous pve'ers in 0.0 shouldn't return in empire space? -Harder lv4 missions in 0.0? Doesn't change a thing for soloers. Harder mean more time to do one->Not more profitable. -Low sec danger? Hardly a good point. -Pirate Faction ships? not everyone want one, and most ppl have a very bad standing with NPC pirate corps. -Complexes? Not something you want to do alone, and htey'll probably be rare things. Someone on this forum suggested that empire BS should drop T1 named loot and 0.0 BS should sometimes drop T2 and named T2 stuff. I'd be ok with that.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.11.05 08:29:00 - [16] First, CCP did say that they would look at the lv4 missions, and that they had the same concerns than the players living in 0.0 space (who aren't all pvp'ers, BTW). They never said lv4 missions were going to be reduced in difficulty, so this topic is pointless, but I'll humor you a little. If CCP make impossible to the solo player to do lv4 missions by simply sniping the NPCs from safe distance, I'd agree to keep them as they are now. Lacking that, you get more BS kills/hours, more security, and interesting additional rewards, than the 0.0 NPC hunter. In those conditions, why do you think the numerous pve'ers in 0.0 shouldn't return in empire space? -Harder lv4 missions in 0.0? Doesn't change a thing for soloers. Harder mean more time to do one->Not more profitable. -Low sec danger? Hardly a good point. -Pirate Faction ships? not everyone want one, and most ppl have a very bad standing with NPC pirate corps. -Complexes? Not something you want to do alone, and htey'll probably be rare things. Someone on this forum suggested that empire BS should drop T1 named loot and 0.0 BS should sometimes drop T2 and named T2 stuff. I'd be ok with that.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.05 09:35:00 - [17] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/11/2004 09:38:24 this has already been covered in at least two other threads, one of which go t a dev response. They are going to nerf empire lvl 4 kill mission loot drops. They will simply not drop loot as good as the loot you can get out in 0.0 space. I don't see where the problem is, tbh. They also mentioned that player petitioning EITHER WAY on this subject will not sway them. So they didn't do this because the 0.0 people insisted on it. So calm down, the lot of ya. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.05 09:35:00 - [18] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/11/2004 09:38:24 this has already been covered in at least two other threads, one of which go t a dev response. They are going to nerf empire lvl 4 kill mission loot drops. They will simply not drop loot as good as the loot you can get out in 0.0 space. I don't see where the problem is, tbh. They also mentioned that player petitioning EITHER WAY on this subject will not sway them. So they didn't do this because the 0.0 people insisted on it. So calm down, the lot of ya. .
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Zrakor on 05/11/2004 10:47:19 We tweaked the drop rate of battleship level 4 mission pirates, but they will still have the same loot tables as before. This does not mean that Empire level 4 missions are supposed to be less profitable than 0.0 NPC hunting over time, but there will always be items you cannot get in missions which drop in 0.0, and items that you cannot get from NPC hunting in 0.0 that you can get from missions in Empire space. We are also working on implementing high-level storyline sequential missions which will happen in both Empire space and below which will have very lucrative rewards.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Zrakor on 05/11/2004 10:47:19 We tweaked the drop rate of battleship level 4 mission pirates, but they will still have the same loot tables as before. This does not mean that Empire level 4 missions are supposed to be less profitable than 0.0 NPC hunting over time, but there will always be items you cannot get in missions which drop in 0.0, and items that you cannot get from NPC hunting in 0.0 that you can get from missions in Empire space. We are also working on implementing high-level storyline sequential missions which will happen in both Empire space and below which will have very lucrative rewards.

Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:51:00 - [21] How can something be nerfed if it hasn't been released yet ? Shiva is in testing, lvl 4 agents are in testing. Surely a part of that testing is ensuring that new content is balanced with the game as a whole.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.11.05 10:51:00 - [22] How can something be nerfed if it hasn't been released yet ? Shiva is in testing, lvl 4 agents are in testing. Surely a part of that testing is ensuring that new content is balanced with the game as a whole.
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.11.05 15:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Zrakor We are also working on implementing high-level storyline sequential missions which will happen in both Empire space and below which will have very lucrative rewards. So in order to complete the mission sequence, we will have to obtain x, y or z in .0 and then, on the way back, get blown up by some gate ganking ****-smudge skipping his therapy session? Is that some sort of compensation to the .0 kr0wdZ for introducing battleship NPCs to Empire space? Hell, the rewards had better be worth suffering the insult of having to contend with the existence of those [insert your favorite euphemism for "waste of skin"]... JP
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.11.05 15:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Zrakor We are also working on implementing high-level storyline sequential missions which will happen in both Empire space and below which will have very lucrative rewards. So in order to complete the mission sequence, we will have to obtain x, y or z in .0 and then, on the way back, get blown up by some gate ganking ****-smudge skipping his therapy session? Is that some sort of compensation to the .0 kr0wdZ for introducing battleship NPCs to Empire space? Hell, the rewards had better be worth suffering the insult of having to contend with the existence of those [insert your favorite euphemism for "waste of skin"]... JP
Rancid Mare	Posted - 2004.11.05 17:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Toran Mehtar How can something be nerfed if it hasn't been released yet ? never EVER underestimate the nerf, for it transends all barriers of time and space. something dosnt have to be live to get nerfed.... you can be proactivly nerfed just incase you might come up with a sensible suggestion. Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals. Our Webby Recruitement Videos here
Rancid Mare	Posted - 2004.11.05 17:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Toran Mehtar How can something be nerfed if it hasn't been released yet ? never EVER underestimate the nerf, for it transends all barriers of time and space. something dosnt have to be live to get nerfed.... you can be proactivly nerfed just incase you might come up with a sensible suggestion. Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals. Our Webby Recruitement Videos here
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.11.05 17:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Zrakor Edited by: Zrakor on 05/11/2004 10:47:19 We tweaked the drop rate of battleship level 4 mission pirates, but they will still have the same loot tables as before. This does not mean that Empire level 4 missions are supposed to be less profitable than 0.0 NPC hunting over time, but there will always be items you cannot get in missions which drop in 0.0, and items that you cannot get from NPC hunting in 0.0 that you can get from missions in Empire space. My main argument is that 0.0 have so much at the mo compared to empire space, and to change the loot tables to favour them is unbalancing in its self (also to add to the flame I will get no im not a noob or a carebear) 0.0 Have list POS - This is simple you want those urber tech 2 equipments you need one of these Roids - Yes we all know 0.0 has the best rocks but itÆs currently the only place the tech 2 min can be obtained in/ Officers - Yes the urber drops 0.0 only again Complexes - as I see it the really good ones are 0.0 only Security - I say this as because I see it most are in alliances which now days is more secure than empire space and lets not plead the risk factor here (I May be wrong on this but I donÆt think I am) Faction BS - Yes I want an angel BS and I think many others do as well are these going to be cheapàà I think not. Noob - Yes you do come across some helpless noob and then you just got your self a BS kill and some equipment. Empire guts. Security - Ok 0.5 and above but to be honest not that many about plus the new agent reward system LP gives less the higher security your in. Stations - Yes we have loads cant deny that Shops - Yes we have loads on them 2 ThatÆs about it to be honest cant think of any more, but on closing this little chat I will say this at the mo tech 1 modded seems to be going out of fashion in the advent of tech 2 which 0.0 controls. So pilots in 0.0 still will have an advanced over empire any way there seems to be no need for a loot table nerf. BUT I do agree 0.0 should drop rare tech 2 modded stuff to compensate a little You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.11.05 17:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Zrakor Edited by: Zrakor on 05/11/2004 10:47:19 We tweaked the drop rate of battleship level 4 mission pirates, but they will still have the same loot tables as before. This does not mean that Empire level 4 missions are supposed to be less profitable than 0.0 NPC hunting over time, but there will always be items you cannot get in missions which drop in 0.0, and items that you cannot get from NPC hunting in 0.0 that you can get from missions in Empire space. My main argument is that 0.0 have so much at the mo compared to empire space, and to change the loot tables to favour them is unbalancing in its self (also to add to the flame I will get no im not a noob or a carebear) 0.0 Have list POS - This is simple you want those urber tech 2 equipments you need one of these Roids - Yes we all know 0.0 has the best rocks but itÆs currently the only place the tech 2 min can be obtained in/ Officers - Yes the urber drops 0.0 only again Complexes - as I see it the really good ones are 0.0 only Security - I say this as because I see it most are in alliances which now days is more secure than empire space and lets not plead the risk factor here (I May be wrong on this but I donÆt think I am) Faction BS - Yes I want an angel BS and I think many others do as well are these going to be cheapàà I think not. Noob - Yes you do come across some helpless noob and then you just got your self a BS kill and some equipment. Empire guts. Security - Ok 0.5 and above but to be honest not that many about plus the new agent reward system LP gives less the higher security your in. Stations - Yes we have loads cant deny that Shops - Yes we have loads on them 2 ThatÆs about it to be honest cant think of any more, but on closing this little chat I will say this at the mo tech 1 modded seems to be going out of fashion in the advent of tech 2 which 0.0 controls. So pilots in 0.0 still will have an advanced over empire any way there seems to be no need for a loot table nerf. BUT I do agree 0.0 should drop rare tech 2 modded stuff to compensate a little You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.05 19:34:00 - [29] let me sumarize it (lord anubis wasnt ever in 0.0 it seems) rare ores: there are only a few systems with the best riods, thats where the alliances go mining security: there is no security in 0.0 space, alliances have a hard time to defend their territory agents: there are only a few few agents our there in 0.0 (i.e. i can access 4 agents in syndicate complexes in 0.3 seems to have up to 4mio bounty BS Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.05 19:34:00 - [30] let me sumarize it (lord anubis wasnt ever in 0.0 it seems) rare ores: there are only a few systems with the best riods, thats where the alliances go mining security: there is no security in 0.0 space, alliances have a hard time to defend their territory agents: there are only a few few agents our there in 0.0 (i.e. i can access 4 agents in syndicate complexes in 0.3 seems to have up to 4mio bounty BS Wanna fly with me?



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