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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:31:00 -
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Can't some ISD or Dev finish with all this stupidity and close this crap thread? brb |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2206
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:32:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:I like how jade seemlessly transistions from "allegations I ran a space brothel that have been 100% proven with copies of the webpage from the internet archive" to "allegations i am an irl pedophile, as you can see from alleged copies of the goonswarm wiki hosted on dodgy sites completely unrelated to goonswarm" Hmmm so you are arguing that because you've created a webpage unrelated to me its somehow everything to do with me while another wiki (that says goonwiki on it and happens to have all your goonwiki content) is somehow not related to you? You guys really are supping on the coolaid in the Mittani bunker. Not our site, not our content. You're asking us to take responsibility for words and images that we aren't responsible for. We're not taking the bait.
The words and images are a mirror of your wiki. Precisely the same words and images are hosted there.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1885
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:I like how jade seemlessly transistions from "allegations I ran a space brothel that have been 100% proven with copies of the webpage from the internet archive" to "allegations i am an irl pedophile, as you can see from alleged copies of the goonswarm wiki hosted on dodgy sites completely unrelated to goonswarm" Hmmm so you are arguing that because you've created a webpage unrelated to me its somehow everything to do with me while another wiki (that says goonwiki on it and happens to have all your goonwiki content) is somehow not related to you? You guys really are supping on the coolaid in the Mittani bunker.
Prove that that site is hosted by Goonswarm (or a member of its leadership), and you might have a case.
Preferably use whois.
I can make a website that hosts a copy of TimeCube, slap a Google logo on the top, and put Apple logos in the background. Would that mean that Google and Apple are colluding to make TimeCube the new official elementary school curriculum? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
I should point out that since this statement we've seen CSM vacillating sure. The Eve Uni guy is in favour. But its inaccurate to say that "much" of the CSM supported it given they apparently "entirely advised against it" 2 weeks ago in iceland.
Funny how I said:
And not:
Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
352
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
[125] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:So why isnt the same treatment applied to all individuals then the Goons interpret in a similar way? I would assume it has something to do with gravitas. Nothing Found |

Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy Dark Therapy
22
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Mate you are part of an organization that hosts RL pictures of "enemy" Eve players alongside accusations they are kiddy-fiddlers to blacken their ingame (and out of game) reputations. Don't you think you are taking "the game" a bit too seriously now?
Im part of an organisation? What organisation is that? Im in a hisec alliance that my alt execs thank you so much. Jeez you need to chill dude, you smokin crack and seein shadows where there are none? Im just telling it like it was back when you first ran on the first csm, i was gonna vote for you then i read your bio and links to some cybering stuff and though hell no. Whatever floats your boat my man but but it wierds me out a little I can tell you. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Basically the CSM was 100% behind "screw this infinite ally system" they only disagreed on the particulars of how to nerf it into the ground. Jade, trying to defend the indefensible, is stuck trying to pretend this disagreement over the particular method of patching this exploit was a disagreement over if it was an exploit. Stop lying weaselor. Its not an "exploit" unless CCP label it an exploit. You have repeated this accusation in about 100 posts now. Your credibility is nill in the eyes of any non goon poster really. Well they just did, by patching it and saying "well that was dumb sorry we'll fix it". |

Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1324
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:I like how jade seemlessly transistions from "allegations I ran a space brothel that have been 100% proven with copies of the webpage from the internet archive" to "allegations i am an irl pedophile, as you can see from alleged copies of the goonswarm wiki hosted on dodgy sites completely unrelated to goonswarm" Hmmm so you are arguing that because you've created a webpage unrelated to me its somehow everything to do with me while another wiki (that says goonwiki on it and happens to have all your goonwiki content) is somehow not related to you? You guys really are supping on the coolaid in the Mittani bunker. Not our site, not our content. You're asking us to take responsibility for words and images that we aren't responsible for. We're not taking the bait. The words and images are a mirror of your wiki. Precisely the same words and images are hosted there.
You are simply wrong. The words and images are not a mirror of our wiki. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:I like how jade seemlessly transistions from "allegations I ran a space brothel that have been 100% proven with copies of the webpage from the internet archive" to "allegations i am an irl pedophile, as you can see from alleged copies of the goonswarm wiki hosted on dodgy sites completely unrelated to goonswarm" Hmmm so you are arguing that because you've created a webpage unrelated to me its somehow everything to do with me while another wiki (that says goonwiki on it and happens to have all your goonwiki content) is somehow not related to you? You guys really are supping on the coolaid in the Mittani bunker. Not our site, not our content. You're asking us to take responsibility for words and images that we aren't responsible for. We're not taking the bait. The words and images are a mirror of your wiki. Precisely the same words and images are hosted there.
Hmm, I wonder how up to date this mirrored wiki is. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2206
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:36:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:I like how jade seemlessly transistions from "allegations I ran a space brothel that have been 100% proven with copies of the webpage from the internet archive" to "allegations i am an irl pedophile, as you can see from alleged copies of the goonswarm wiki hosted on dodgy sites completely unrelated to goonswarm" Hmmm so you are arguing that because you've created a webpage unrelated to me its somehow everything to do with me while another wiki (that says goonwiki on it and happens to have all your goonwiki content) is somehow not related to you? You guys really are supping on the coolaid in the Mittani bunker. We can't be held accountable for content clearly not under our control. You, on the other hand, were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have operated a space brothel, one of the most hilariously pathetic things anyone's ever done. When you denied it, copies of the website were found and shown to you. Now, as you know that trying to factually deny it will get the website waved in your face, you're forced to try and change the subject away from the internet space brothel you owned, operated, and worked in by trying to go on the offensive.
I'm actually reminding you that your accusations are false but that didn't stop your organization attempting to smear my name during the 2008 CSM elections by mailing them to my RL contract employers and it hasn't stopped you hosting my RL picture on the internet alongside an explicit accusation of child sex abuse ever since.
You have gotten too deep into "spaceship politics" and have strayed into RL criminal slander Weaselor. Its probably fortunate (for your campaign of harrassment) that you are doing this from America rather than from the UK.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:38:00 -
[131] - Quote
Good thing our CEO is a lawyer then! |

Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1324
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
Well I'd guess you'd better prove it.
Whats my motivation here? |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
726
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:39:00 -
[133] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
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Summarizing a Jade Constantine post. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
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the next goon get together will be in a courthouse Follow me on twitter |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm actually reminding you that your accusations are false but that didn't stop your organization attempting to smear my name during the 2008 CSM elections by mailing them to my RL contract employers and it hasn't stopped you hosting my RL picture on the internet alongside an explicit accusation of child sex abuse ever since.
You have gotten too deep into "spaceship politics" and have strayed into RL criminal slander Weaselor. Its probably fortunate (for your campaign of harrassment) that you are doing this from America rather than from the UK.
Can you prove that it was a direct action from our organization and not just the actions of a single person or small group of people acting independently of Goonswarm direction? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3414
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
[136] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: I'm actually reminding you that your accusations are false but that didn't stop your organization attempting to smear my name during the 2008 CSM elections by mailing them to my RL contract employers and it hasn't stopped you hosting my RL picture on the internet alongside an explicit accusation of child sex abuse ever since.
You have gotten too deep into "spaceship politics" and have strayed into RL criminal slander Weaselor. Its probably fortunate (for your campaign of harrassment) that you are doing this from America rather than from the UK.
I have not slandered you in any way: I have explained in great detail why your attempted slander of Goonswarm is false. We've clearly established this is an unreliable site outside our control and people who can verify that it is not a mirror of our wiki have done so. I cannot, unfortunately, because the site you reference is associated with computer crime and blocked at my place of work - which makes it clear how unreliable a source this is.
In contrast, I am explaining how one proves these accusations reliably. I can provide a legitimate link to your space brothel, one that is authoritative and accurate and establishes where it was found, when it was copied, and what the link was. That's what webarchive is for. I, however, see no need to wave this link in your face, that I have ready to copy-paste because I don't see the need. But if you insist, I will post it to demonstrate how you prove what was hosted when. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:the next goon get together will be in a courthouse
Paging Courthouse to this thread. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:42:00 -
[138] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:the next goon get together will be in a courthouse
Courthouse won't let us inside of him :( |

Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
628
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:42:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:So why isnt the same treatment applied to all individuals then the Goons interpret in a similar way? I would assume it has something to do with gravitas.
Not sure wether I should take it a compliment as a result of that comment? 
What I do hope however is that CCP observe just how much of the intentions by large power blocs use these kind of methods to attempt to control gaming development though. As anyone with lesser convictions might simply cave in under such kind of special "attention". Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3414
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:42:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Well I'd guess you'd better prove it.
On the contrary. As an internet lawyer, you should of course be aware - even in the UK! - it is up to you to prove your accusations. We've done all we need to do to prove your "evidence" is unreliable, enough so to have it thrown out of court. |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
231
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:44:00 -
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After reading up on what has been happening I was waiting for the comments from CCP Soundwave and CCP Unifex like they did with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, etc. You know like:Quote:Some players are worried the game will be ruined by The Mittani's Goonswarm alliance, but CCP promised not to interfere.
"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online, told Eurogamer this morning. "Absolutely brilliant.
"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
"They're going to do exactly what you're able to do in the game, and people will have to roll with it. It'll be great.
"Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great."
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg insisted that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online stand out from other games, and that it's CCP's duty to sit back and watch.
"It's what makes Eve a really good game," he said. "Do you want to play a 15 minute match of Call of Duty that you won't remember the next day, or do you want to spend four months manufacturing 14,000 Thrashers to do this? It's just so big and awesome."
Lander added: "We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it.
"The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for." But no, comments like that were not to be seen, instead we get a scrambling backpedal from CCP.
So where's Goonswarms "Just have to roll with it" CCP? Sorry but this reeks of a double standard.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:46:00 -
[142] - Quote
internet law as a hobby is not nearly as cool as the internet bagging groceries hobby Follow me on twitter |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2206
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:47:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
Well I'd guess you'd better prove it.
Whats my motivation here?
Well depends if you are happy with the rest of eve player base considering you a liar I guess. I do understand it puts you in a difficult position because obviously the mirror was taken from the live wiki at some point (thus the image and text had to be taken from the site under your administration for which your lead admin would be held criminally responsibly)
But this whole hand-waving "some random person on the internet has mirrored our site containing criminal slander of an in-game enemy and mysteriously added stuff that wasn't there already."
Pfft. Come on, nobody believes that.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:48:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:After reading up on what has been happening I was waiting for the comments from CCP Soundwave and CCP Unifex like they did with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, etc. You know like: Quote:Some players are worried the game will be ruined by The Mittani's Goonswarm alliance, but CCP promised not to interfere.
"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online, told Eurogamer this morning. "Absolutely brilliant.
"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
"They're going to do exactly what you're able to do in the game, and people will have to roll with it. It'll be great.
"Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great."
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg insisted that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online stand out from other games, and that it's CCP's duty to sit back and watch.
"It's what makes Eve a really good game," he said. "Do you want to play a 15 minute match of Call of Duty that you won't remember the next day, or do you want to spend four months manufacturing 14,000 Thrashers to do this? It's just so big and awesome."
Lander added: "We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it.
"The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for." But no, comments like that were not to be seen, instead we get a scrambling backpedal from CCP. So where's Goonswarms "Just have to roll with it" CCP? Sorry but this reeks of a double standard.
Except for the obvious fact that the only one screeching about GSF influence is Jade and his handful of supporters, everyone else says that what ended up happening wasn't intended. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2206
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:49:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:After reading up on what has been happening I was waiting for the comments from CCP Soundwave and CCP Unifex like they did with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, etc. You know like: Quote:Some players are worried the game will be ruined by The Mittani's Goonswarm alliance, but CCP promised not to interfere.
"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online, told Eurogamer this morning. "Absolutely brilliant.
"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
"They're going to do exactly what you're able to do in the game, and people will have to roll with it. It'll be great.
"Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great."
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg insisted that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online stand out from other games, and that it's CCP's duty to sit back and watch.
"It's what makes Eve a really good game," he said. "Do you want to play a 15 minute match of Call of Duty that you won't remember the next day, or do you want to spend four months manufacturing 14,000 Thrashers to do this? It's just so big and awesome."
Lander added: "We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it.
"The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for." But no, comments like that were not to be seen, instead we get a scrambling backpedal from CCP. So where's Goonswarms "Just have to roll with it" CCP? Sorry but this reeks of a double standard. Except for the obvious fact that the only one screeching about GSF influence is Jade and his handful of supporters, everyone else says that what ended up happening wasn't intended.
Every thread on the subject is full of goons howling for the change. Simply read them. Evidence is pretty clear.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:49:00 -
[146] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
Well I'd guess you'd better prove it.
Whats my motivation here? Well depends if you are happy with the rest of eve player base considering you a liar I guess. I do understand it puts you in a difficult position because obviously the mirror was taken from the live wiki at some point (thus the image and text had to be taken from the site under your administration for which your lead admin would be held criminally responsibly) But this whole hand-waving "some random person on the internet has mirrored our site containing criminal slander of an in-game enemy and mysteriously added stuff that wasn't there already." Pfft. Come on, nobody believes that.
Are you sure you want to go down this road? When we completely debunk your accusations will you recant your stance? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
352
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:49:00 -
[147] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:What I do hope however is that CCP observe just how much of the intentions by large power blocs use these kind of methods to attempt to control gaming development though. As anyone with lesser convictions might simply cave in under such kind of special "attention". "Lesser convictions"? It's a ******* video game; if you can't hack it, stop playing.
Frankly, I don't see CCP caving in to the methods of large power blocs, I see them balancing a ****** mechanic. But, since it's Goonswarm (substitute BoB back in the day, there was an actual conspiracy) we're talking about here, the conversation is bound to be wrapped in tinfoil. Nothing Found |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:50:00 -
[148] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:After reading up on what has been happening I was waiting for the comments from CCP Soundwave and CCP Unifex like they did with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, etc. You know like: Quote:Some players are worried the game will be ruined by The Mittani's Goonswarm alliance, but CCP promised not to interfere.
"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online, told Eurogamer this morning. "Absolutely brilliant.
"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
"They're going to do exactly what you're able to do in the game, and people will have to roll with it. It'll be great.
"Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great."
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg insisted that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online stand out from other games, and that it's CCP's duty to sit back and watch.
"It's what makes Eve a really good game," he said. "Do you want to play a 15 minute match of Call of Duty that you won't remember the next day, or do you want to spend four months manufacturing 14,000 Thrashers to do this? It's just so big and awesome."
Lander added: "We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it.
"The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for." But no, comments like that were not to be seen, instead we get a scrambling backpedal from CCP. So where's Goonswarms "Just have to roll with it" CCP? Sorry but this reeks of a double standard. Except for the obvious fact that the only one screeching about GSF influence is Jade and his handful of supporters, everyone else says that what ended up happening wasn't intended. Every thread on the subject is full of goons howling for the change. Simply read them. Evidence is pretty clear.
Since you are the one insisting they are there, maybe you should provide the evidence. Make sure it is properly cited, too. It needs to be in MLA format. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3414
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:51:00 -
[149] - Quote
I'd like to note that jade's claim that we are guilty of "criminal slander" (actually defamatory libel) is claiming we've committed an offense that actually doesn't even exist in the United Kingdom. I guess our brave internet lawyer hasn't been keeping up with the times! |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:54:00 -
[150] - Quote
lawyers are the real world equivalent of the eve miners Follow me on twitter |
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