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World Director
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:48:00 -
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In fact I used Bellicose for moon probing, expanded launcher and full of inertstabs. Most of the moons I probed in it were well armed d-stars.
You know there's often something good under those large faction towers.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:52:00 -
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Procurer is definitly the worst, it's pretty easy to outmine it in any other mining ship.
Reaper I like because it makes a pretty good fast transport, it's one of the few ships that still gets speed bonuses.
Impairor on the other hand is lame, it's only bonus is to energy weapon cap use. Ibis is a ok lol sniper, but it's lame because it's a caldari ship without a missile hardpoint.
But... my least favourite ship Navy Issue Osprey - loses the mining and logistics bonuses, gets a so, so missile bonus and is still less effective than a caracal. Oh and it's still the Ugliest ship in the game.
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Draeklore
Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:09:00 -
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You need to be more specific such as worst ship of each class. There's no worst ships for the same reason there is no best ship.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:12:00 -
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Easily the Cruor in my opinion. 100m isk frig that is beaten in every way by a Sentinel.
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Marcus Henik
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Posted - 2009.11.11 20:43:00 -
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Kitsune hands down, no tank, to slow, no bag of tricks to make it worth the isk your gonna spend on it especially when you can fly a blackird and make up for the lost jam str with extra jammers and more range at about a 10th of the cost. not to mention that Your auto primaryed on general principal. I do however have to speak in defense of the eos, more jam str is never a bad thing, especailly when you have a good e-war team. after all it may be the difference between jamming 2 opposing ships and jamming 3 or 4 opposing ships. added range is a great buff for the tec2 ships, and the extra strength maks a set of jam sniping scorpins scary as all hell, not to mention that if you know your going to be working with a eos you can rig for more jam str and less range because the eos will make up the difference. use the extra highs to run ar shield tank and speed boosters and you got a jam gang that will shut down the enemys dps. as for its fail sauce wep set ups, its fleet support, why is it not in a pos or bouncing back and fourth between between safe spots? Situationally the EOS can be worth its weight in gold.
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Otebski
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Posted - 2009.11.12 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: SPECKILLER Worst ship for EVE:
Drake.
fixed
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Xoco on 13/11/2009 02:14:18 Got no clue why some people think a Astarte is bad. You can kill a Brutix with, anytime and anyday. A Hurricane is no recon ship. It just makes no sense all those weird stuff.
A Reaper is a rookie ship for those who got absolutly nothing. You get a ship for free which is way better than your pod. A Interbus shuttle should aswell have double speed, not only double cargo, because of its very high rarity. So i have to admit that this ship is very disappointing. However, the ship is simply a collectors item.
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ZigZag Joe
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 05:49:00 -
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poor isk/effectiveness: black ops field commands eos astarte/deimos assault frigates procurer
flawed ships: huginn, rapier, heyena keres, arazu, lachesis hyperion (well ok this one just doesn't have a viable role to begin with) teir 1 BCs non-tier-3 frigs and cruisers destroyers covetor all SCs
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Tylara duChelm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:56:00 -
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Do the people that keep saying "destroyers" actually ever fly them? All the destroyers make good salvage platforms, and all of them really tear up l1 missions. In a fleet battle they do a good job against t1 tackle frigs.
All this from a 700k hull. Not bad.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:06:00 -
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The Hawk. Hands down the worst AF and crippled even further by using terrible rockets.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.11.13 21:06:00 -
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It seems obvious to me that right now the worst ship to own in eve right now is any mothership, because your supercap is about to lose 10billion isk in value when Dominion is released.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.13 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
What you do with the Procurer is you keep it in the corp hangar and as soon as your up and coming miners are ready for it - then they jump in it and don't have to train cruisers - if all they're going to do is mine.
You know you mine more in a mining frig right?
That depends entirely on how high you've trained the Frigates Skill and which Miners you are using.
Since Mining Barges requires no training in frigates (much less cruisers) and since the mining lasers you have bought will be of no use to you after you get to Mining Barges, it's all a question of how much time and money you are going to spend on things which are not progressing you on towards getting a Hulk.
It also depends on what type of refining skills you've trained - as these will also allow you to use the T2 miners with their Mining Crystals on the Procurer.
Then of course there is also the difference in cargo hold size and the range of the strip miners.
And last but not least - the value of the ship depends greatly on your personal play style. If you have multiple accounts - which a lot of miners do - then trying to constantly empty the holds of a bunch of frigates on a mining op can get really tedious.
That hold size also maters if you are doing mine & return because you are mining alone, as you can carry a good bit more each trip.
It all really depends - as with many other ships - on just what it is you need to do.
AS I SAID:
Quote: For an individual that is equipping themselves as they go along - then Mining Cruisers and Procurer's are ships that can well be skipped altogether, just staying with your Mining Frigate until you get a Retriever. But as a Corporate Hand Me Down ship - the Procurer is fine.
All in all - many if not most of the ships people are listing here - really aren't all that bad - the person listing them just doesn't happen to like them. Someone else - may very well find them useful.
It's like all the people who are listing rookie ships. WTF? What is your alternative when you first start out? Your pod?
Rookie ships are easily the least capable of the ships in the game - but - they perform a vital function, which is to get you enough money to get out of them. Even after that they are useful for a number of things people have listed. Even later on, if you're rich and training mining alts you don't actually even need to play until you can put them in that Procurer you've got laying about - you had to start somewhere - and that somewhere was in a rookie ship with 5,000 ISK in your wallet.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 23:04:00 -
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curse and dominix are very weak
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A Ingus
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Posted - 2009.11.14 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: A Ingus on 14/11/2009 05:14:49
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk What cracks me up is all the bad mouthing of the Scythe - which is in fact comparable to the over rated Osprey.
Comparable? Scythe- 225 CPU, one lousy light drone; Osprey- 275 CPU, 4 light drones. What do mining lasers and mining upgrades take the most of fitting wise? CPU. What does a mining cruiser depend on for defense if it has not even enough cpu to fit maybe roflet launchers, drones. Or how will it supplement its woeful mining lasers because it has not the cpu to fit MLUs - with mining drones. But of course Caldari is more of a drone race than Minmatar.
The Scythe was rendered far-and-away worst in class, like the burst (which btw id the ugliest piece of **** in game as well), by CCP for some unfathomable reason. It is a terrible ship and not comparable to the osprey.
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lm89
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Posted - 2009.11.14 05:37:00 -
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Combat: Hawk...after training and flying one (fully T2'd at that) i was left with... WTF
Otherwise, and this one gets the most pointless vote to - The Procurer. As someone said earlier, you can get one twice as good in one day.... WTF's??
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Perfection Tau
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Posted - 2009.11.14 06:56:00 -
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Drake. It makes person piloting it terribad for life.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.14 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: A Ingus Edited by: A Ingus on 14/11/2009 05:14:49
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk What cracks me up is all the bad mouthing of the Scythe - which is in fact comparable to the over rated Osprey.
Comparable? Scythe- 225 CPU, one lousy light drone; Osprey- 275 CPU, 4 light drones. What do mining lasers and mining upgrades take the most of fitting wise? CPU. What does a mining cruiser depend on for defense if it has not even enough cpu to fit maybe roflet launchers, drones. Or how will it supplement its woeful mining lasers because it has not the cpu to fit MLUs - with mining drones. But of course Caldari is more of a drone race than Minmatar.
The Scythe was rendered far-and-away worst in class, like the burst (which btw id the ugliest piece of **** in game as well), by CCP for some unfathomable reason. It is a terrible ship and not comparable to the osprey.
Ha! Ha! I see you've never mined in an Arbitrator.
The Arbitrator is a good combat ship but it sucks as a miner. Two turret hard points. Of course it really is a drone boat so it's going to depend on just how good your drone skills are and what kind of drones you've got.
The other thing is - if you are using the mining drones in your Arbitrator - you've got to recall them before you can launch the combat drones - which it does have enough of a drone bay to carry in addition to the mining drones.
Both the Scythe and the Osprey can mount 3 Mining Lasers, both get 20% per level for their miners and both have 3 low slots - which you can either use for MLU's OR Expanded Cargo Holds. Expanded cargo holds use no CPU so that isn't an issue.
Now I didn't say the Scythe was better than the Osprey or even as good - but - (depending on your concept of comparable) they are.
*shrug*
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Squatdog
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.11.14 08:05:00 -
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The Hawk is the single worst ship in the game. It's like a Caracal, except worse in every respect (except scan res and sig), while costing 5 times the price.
At least T1 frigs have the excuse of, well...being T1 frigs.
PS: the Maller fits a truely ungodly tank, so fits a niche role as bait or supertackler
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Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.14 09:23:00 -
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Scythe is actually comparable to the Osprey: a little less mining ability but can fit 2 rather than 1 assault launcher for those belt rats. Maller is great for heavy tackling or bait ship. Moa is cheap gas harvester and I've seen it in other capacities. Destroyers - wtf they're great?! Bellicose - good anti support platform or kiter.
The worst ship is a tie between the Augoror and the Burst. The Burst fails in its supposed niche as a miner due to complete lack of CPU. The Augoror, well, what is there to say?
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ovenproofjet
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.14 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: ovenproofjet on 14/11/2009 10:14:51
Originally by: SPECKILLER Worst ship in EVE:
Drake.
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also worst ship has to be the Augoror....please god CCP can we have an armor rep bonus on it instead of the energy transfer!
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Johnny Malloy
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.20 14:10:00 -
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Quote: Diemost.
disagree tbh.yes,some it can be risky to use solo but i think it excels in a gang and can dish out some serious pain and i dont now wether its just me but i have found it to be far more "agile" and quicker than it used to be. also the drone bay can come in handy as well.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.11.20 17:15:00 -
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The worst ship is a tie between the Augoror and the Burst. The Burst fails in its supposed niche as a miner due to complete lack of CPU. The Augoror, well, what is there to say?
The Augoror is the only flying Roman Legion Helmet in the game, but even so its aesthetics do not compensate for its uselessness other than an RR platform for the skill challenged.
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:07:00 -
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Eos, by far.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 20/11/2009 18:40:55 I know the Moa is much maligned, but a fight between a properly fit Moa and Thorax might well end up being a tie. The EHP/DPS ratio is virtually the same, but the Moa has more range, is shield tanked (=> situationally faster, shield recharge), and is vastly underrated.
The Diemost is very overrated - and it's not rated very highly! The Eos kinda sucks for a fleet command - crappy tank, crappy links, crappy damage. Why would you fly this over a Damnation or Claymore or even Vulture? Why would you fly any of them over the strat cruiser? Active tank bonused ships are largely limited to PVE - except when they still suck because of slot layout (Hyperion, I'm calling you out!). The Procurer is pretty lol. If you're willing to jetcan mine, use a mining frig. If you're not, use a badger or something and PVP on your main. The Augoror and Omen have terrible fittings. I mean, really now, wtf. The Arbitrator could be so much better if it had a 3/3 hardpoint layout.... :) The Prophecy is a steaming pile of crap. Armor tanking T1 HAM boat please. :) The Ferox, Moa, Eagle, Cerb, Nighthawk, Caracal all need a bit more grid. Yes, a MWD really is mandatory, and yes fitting a full rack of 250mm rails+mwd is mandatory on a sniper ship! T1 frigs (as a whole) really suck. They need more lock range, and generally a bit more fittings. Low tier frigs should be boosted to highest tier, and to hell with the effect of build costs on the market. Those ships are useless. The Helios is ugly now. Can you please base it back on the Maulus? :) :) :) :) :) The new cyno effect is crap. I can haz old cyno effect?
I dunno, there's a lot to complain about. A lot of little tweaks to the T1 ships would help a lot, even if you didn't abolish the tier system (as I am so fond of advocating).
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Thingymawotzit I challenege you to a 1v1 against my maller in any other 'better' cruiser.
If you have a good maller fit then post it. I would love to see it.
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Issamailkin
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:04:00 -
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Developed a twitch when people mention the maller and belliclose in this thread. They are good ships when you learn how to use them.
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scoutyman
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Posted - 2009.11.23 14:45:00 -
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Cant believe nobody mentioned it before .
Falcon!
sorry , it just has to be done..
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Yoko White
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Posted - 2009.11.23 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined It seems obvious to me that right now the worst ship to own in eve right now is any mothership, because your supercap is about to lose 10billion isk in value when Dominion is released.
lol , you win !
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.11.23 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Yoko White
Originally by: Illectroculus Defined It seems obvious to me that right now the worst ship to own in eve right now is any mothership, because your supercap is about to lose 10billion isk in value when Dominion is released.
lol , you win !
Too bad that's no longer true
Augoror seriously has no use at all. It's RR bonus is towards energy, which isn't that important and no one ever uses it for energy transfer purposes. It also sucks as a combat ship. It does work somewhat as a bait ship but Maller fits in that role much better.
Also, Procurer sucks. That's it.
So my vote goes towards the Augoror and the Procurer.
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Kate Liberty
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Posted - 2009.11.23 20:03:00 -
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Proof that the hawk sucks.
[Velator, Lolator] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Hobgoblin II x2
That's about 162 DPS (turrets + drones) before implants and whatever
More than your average hawk would manage :-)
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