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wizardd
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:21:00 -
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Tablet PC's are getting more powerfull every year. They also get more and more popular all the time, since people notice very fast that mouse and keyboard are actually not necessary tools. Voice communication is faster than typingin, and touch screen is better than using mouse.
Tablets are the future of gaming, and desktop PC's are dying species. Even laptops will suffer alot.
Right now tablets can do basically everything. You can do office work with them, you could basically do programming with them, you can use web applications via browser. You can talk with your friends with phone, or skype etc. You can use 3g, WIFI. We are closing at the point where the scifi PDA thingy is real.
Playing EVE with tablet is possible. Of course it would only run one client, atleast as first. But the touch screen is actually better than using mouse. Even I adapted touch screen use very fast, under two days.
Double click is replaced by double tap (IIRC), wiping screen would move your vision. Wipe horizontally, move vision horizontally, wipe vertically, move vision vertically. Zooming is also possible.
Largets problem is the GUI. However new unified inventory system is one huge leap towards tablet client for EVE.
I really do believe that it would be possible, and I do hope that it will be reality in someday.
CCP, are there any plans to make EVE compatible with tablets? |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:25:00 -
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wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse.
My working man's hand+my iPhone says No.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
312
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:25:00 -
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wizardd wrote:
Tablets are the future of gaming, and desktop PC's are dying species.
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baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:25:00 -
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Don't think tablets have quite caught up with EVE just yet. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Tr0pa de elite.
Against ALL Authorities
192
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:29:00 -
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Mouse = precision click,
Fat finger = press general area,
Cant see touch screens being implemented for games at all.
If anything were to be implemented it would be body movement or voice commands. And even they are still really badly done.
imo touch screen would be much slower, you move your entire arm to whatever part of the screen you want, where as with the mouse you can get there without even moving your wrist.
Trying to imagine a fleet of 50 people all using touch screen in a fleet fight. Id put my iskies on the guys they are fighting.
Touch screen is a "fad" that is all. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:30:00 -
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wizardd wrote:But the touch screen is actually better than using mouse.
you'll get your mainstream tablet gaming when you rob desktop pc's out of my cold dead hands. even so we're talking decades.
the bolded part is absolute nonsense. all these ''tablets, touchpads'' and whatnot is based on old technology, which we are paying for some reason full price for, and people are buying right into it. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:31:00 -
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You might want to look at this EVE-Online on a Tablet
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Gonada
The Oasis Group
Combat Mining and Logistics
17
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:39:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No.
I play eve sometimes at work remote desktoping my comp at home.
Tablet, not iPhone, you see the differance?
You can do everything on a tablet that you can do on a computer specially if its not an apple product.
E-prime transformer 32gig tablet with 32 gig SD card works well |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:41:00 -
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That wasn't EVE online. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Tr0pa de elite.
Against ALL Authorities
192
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:44:00 -
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Gonada wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No. I play eve sometimes at work remote desktoping my comp at home. Tablet, not iPhone, you see the differance? You can do everything on a tablet that you can do on a computer specially if its not an apple product. E-prime transformer 32gig tablet with 32 gig SD card works well
You cant play Eve Online.......
I bet there is many other things it cant do. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:45:00 -
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Gonada wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No. I play eve sometimes at work remote desktoping my comp at home. Tablet, not iPhone, you see the differance? You can do everything on a tablet that you can do on a computer specially if its not an apple product. E-prime transformer 32gig tablet with 32 gig SD card works well
I can barely write text messages on this damn thing (my boss is probably laughing at me and my co-workers) and you expect me to be able to pick out targets from the overview with my finger? Or click them in space? Ridiculous!
Touch screens, no mater the product size, aren't precise enough.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Gonada
The Oasis Group
Combat Mining and Logistics
17
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:46:00 -
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The ccp employees, the ships, the fitting screen suggests they might be looking into it |
Lord Zim
792
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:47:00 -
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wizardd wrote:Tablets are the future of gaming
No, it really isn't. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:47:00 -
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Gonada wrote:
You can do everything on a tablet
please stop exaggerating. |
Kaahles
Retarded Extemely Dangerous
THE UNTHINKABLES
9
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:47:00 -
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Touchscreens better than keyboard? I don't think so. Ever tried writing a long text or do some actual coding work with an on-screen keyboard on a tochscreen? No? Try it, it's not really fun. There is nothing whatsoever when doing this kind of work that is in any shape or form superior to a good keyboard, especially mechanical switch keyboards.
Touchscreens better than a mouse? I don't think so either. Due to the fact of how touchscreens actually work and the fact that everybody has different finger sizes it's very unlikely that you will achieve the same precision with a touchscreen compared to a good 2000 (or maybe even more) DPI laser mouse (which perform pretty awesome on almost any surface except maybe glass).
Mobile gaming, especially on tablets sure as hell has some bright and interesting future ahead however it will never be able to replace desktop gaming machines. Hell every decent desktop is superior to any notebook/laptop in many ways no matter how awesome it's hardware is. There are a number of reasons for that but I won't go into it.
As for a tablet client for EVE. That would actually be kind of a nice idea. If you look at what they are planning with Dust 514 and the CREST API they created for interfacing it with EVE that same technology can then be used to create a tablet client that let's you perform certain actions within the game. Hell maybe even at a later point you'll be able to run a full client of the game on it (somewhere in the distant future). CCP is crazy enough to be the first company that actually pulls something like this off.
With EVE as it is the only real problem with making this possible is the available tablet hardware performance available at the moment and the fact that the UI is not all the time as good to use with a touchscreen, especially if you have fat fingers.
Nobody is ever gonna read this entire post probably because it's way too long a response for such an obvious troll but in case you did actually read this here is a little troll of myself towards the OP as a bonus: Written with a mechanical switch keyboard with approximately 180 key-hits/minute. Try doing this on a touchscreen, I dare you ***(get's censored anyway :P), I double dare you! |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:48:00 -
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Gonada wrote:The ccp employees, the ships, the fitting screen suggests they might be looking into it
That was nothing more than a fitting screen and ship models. It was not the whole game, not even close. |
Gonada
The Oasis Group
Combat Mining and Logistics
17
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:51:00 -
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Kaahles wrote:Touchscreens better than keyboard? I don't think so. Ever tried writing a long text or do some actual coding work with an on-screen keyboard on a tochscreen? No? Try it, it's not really fun. There is nothing whatsoever when doing this kind of work that is in any shape or form superior to a good keyboard, especially mechanical switch keyboards.
Touchscreens better than a mouse? I don't think so either. Due to the fact of how touchscreens actually work and the fact that everybody has different finger sizes it's very unlikely that you will achieve the same precision with a touchscreen compared to a good 2000 (or maybe even more) DPI laser mouse (which perform pretty awesome on almost any surface except maybe glass).
Mobile gaming, especially on tablets sure as hell has some bright and interesting future ahead however it will never be able to replace desktop gaming machines. Hell every decent desktop is superior to any notebook/laptop in many ways no matter how awesome it's hardware is. There are a number of reasons for that but I won't go into it.
As for a tablet client for EVE. That would actually be kind of a nice idea. If you look at what they are planning with Dust 514 and the CREST API they created for interfacing it with EVE that same technology can then be used to create a tablet client that let's you perform certain actions within the game. Hell maybe even at a later point you'll be able to run a full client of the game on it (somewhere in the distant future). CCP is crazy enough to be the first company that actually pulls something like this off.
With EVE as it is the only real problem with making this possible is the available tablet hardware performance available at the moment and the fact that the UI is not all the time as good to use with a touchscreen, especially if you have fat fingers.
Nobody is ever gonna read this entire post probably because it's way too long a response for such an obvious troll but in case you did actually read this here is a little troll of myself towards the OP as a bonus: Written with a mechanical switch keyboard with approximately 180 key-hits/minute. Try doing this on a touchscreen, I dare you ***(get's censored anyway :P), I double dare you!
I read your post
op asking if work being done to have a tablet client not replace desktop gaming.
Relax:) |
Gonada
The Oasis Group
Combat Mining and Logistics
17
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:55:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Gonada wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No. I play eve sometimes at work remote desktoping my comp at home. Tablet, not iPhone, you see the differance? You can do everything on a tablet that you can do on a computer specially if its not an apple product. E-prime transformer 32gig tablet with 32 gig SD card works well You cant play Eve Online....... I bet there is many other things it cant do.
You sir, are an idiot.
I can indeed play eve, using my tablet and a good remote desktop program, with obviously a good internet connection.
Obviously I can't PHP, but I can indeed do alot of other stuff.
I don't live in the third world, do you?
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Gonada wrote:The ccp employees, the ships, the fitting screen suggests they might be looking into it That was nothing more than a fitting screen and ship models. It was not the whole game, not even close.
The OP asked if EVE-Online would ever be on a tablet and if they were working on it.
I provided an answer as to the current status and what CCP was looking to do (well as of last year)
I never claimed it was the entire client I just stated the OP should look at it.
People can draw there own conclusions about the current status and the odds of seeing a complete client from there.
Unless we get an update from CCP, I at least provided more information then anyone else so far in this thread.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
wizardd
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:38:00 -
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Gonada wrote:
I read your post
op asking if work being done to have a tablet client not replace desktop gaming.
Relax:)
Exactly
It-¦s perfectly natural that humans fear changes. But not everyone. History has shown that technology evolves and there isn-¦t anyreason why PC should stay in form of desktop.
I predict that laptops will be gone before desktops, and replaced by portable devices. After that desktops.
Also I predict that Microsoft and Windows will be gone very soon.
Linux is hitting portable devices too, for example Ubuntu.
Android is growing very fast, and getting lot-¦s of office work related tools and software.
I must be honest with you guys, I was seriously surprised how handy tablet actually is. Some of my friends, that don-¦t play games have only smartphone and tablet. They use tablet as their computer, and smartphone as their phone.
Android might be the breakthrough for gaming industry to get rid of Windows. |
wizardd
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:40:00 -
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Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:44:00 -
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wizardd wrote:But the touch screen is actually better than using mouse.
I disagree.
I've been playing more with my DS lately and the touch controls are inferior to traditional controllers in my opinion.
-Your hand occludes the screen! It's bad if you can't see your entire HUD in a fast situation. Changes happening on a list are easier to spot than rereading the list after losing visual.
-Vulnerable to misinterpretation by the software. Was that a double tap or did you just tap something and try to wipe right after? The options here are either imprecision or input lag, neither of which is preferable.
-Bigger arm muscles have less precision than fingers. Your buttons are located close to each other and easily accessable with just your fingers. On a touchscreen you need to move your hands back and forth unless you want to occlude the screen. This results in slower reaction times and lower accuracy. Not by that much but still.
-The need of a stylus. I find it unlikely that you could fit everything on screen in a game with so many lists as EvE without one. People with bigger fingers need bigger icons and bigger font for lists you can interact with, not to mention getting fingerprints that show clearly in sunlight. This of course means you still have a pointer and not a buttonlike approach, unless you want to accidentally select other items.
The only thing I can think of in favour of the tablets is mobility. Even then it's not that big of an advantage as we have laptops that are nearly as portable. If you want to play in a bus or car pool, then a tablet will be superior because you don't generally have enough room to set up a mousepad.
The previous post was rated "C" for capsuleer. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Don't think tablets have quite caught up with EVE just yet.
Same feeling here.
brb |
Lord Zim
792
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:48:00 -
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Tablets are usable for showing f.ex various information, but for actual gameplay which is time-critical? I don't think so. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Holly crap !! Forget my post above.
Me wants !!!
brb |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
558
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:52:00 -
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wizardd wrote:Gonada wrote:
I read your post
op asking if work being done to have a tablet client not replace desktop gaming.
Relax:)
Exactly It-¦s perfectly natural that humans fear changes. But not everyone. History has shown that technology evolves and there isn-¦t anyreason why PC should stay in form of desktop. I predict that laptops will be gone before desktops, and replaced by portable devices. After that desktops. Also I predict that Microsoft and Windows will be gone very soon. Linux is hitting portable devices too, for example Ubuntu. Android is growing very fast, and getting lot-¦s of office work related tools and software. I must be honest with you guys, I was seriously surprised how handy tablet actually is. Some of my friends, that don-¦t play games have only smartphone and tablet. They use tablet as their computer, and smartphone as their phone. Android might be the breakthrough for gaming industry to get rid of Windows.
There is only so much battery life and CPU power you can squeeze into an ever slimming down device.
So I fear your optimism is a bit over the top.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Verone
Veto Corp
275
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:03:00 -
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The whole concept of using a touch screen is for space saving purposes and mobile functionality.
It's utterly pointless, sluggish and for the best part badly thought out to introduce it to a desktop computer as the main means of interaction.
Verone
CEO & Executor
Veto Corp
WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Rudgier Thorrin
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:18:00 -
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I find my 22'' monitor too small for EVE, can't imagine fitting all the windows I usually have opened into eight or ten inches and still being able to precisely pick what I need from the overview or fleet broadcasts.
I'd end my post here, but there is one more thing I feel I need to address:
OP wrote:you could basically do programming with them >>CLICK<<
Seriously dude, good luck writing a couple hundred lines of code with an on-screen keyboard. Unless you mean one of those, but then again you basically got a small laptop.
> Implying I need a signature |
wizardd
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:24:00 -
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Rudgier Thorrin wrote:I find my 22'' monitor too small for EVE, can't imagine fitting all the windows I usually have opened into eight or ten inches and still being able to precisely pick what I need from the overview or fleet broadcasts. I'd end my post here, but there is one more thing I feel I need to address: OP wrote:you could basically do programming with them >>CLICK<<Seriously dude, good luck writing a couple hundred lines of code with an on-screen keyboard. Unless you mean one of those, but then again you basically got a small laptop.
You know that the need of 22" monitor is the problem.
EVE-¦s GUI must get rid of windows that we don-¦t really need.
One large issue is the local chat as intel tool wich much be removed. It-¦s plain stupid and uses massive amount of your screen.
I don-¦t see a reason why we should have everything visible and then from tiny hole between those windows we actually see bit of the space ship we are flying.
More space, more planets, more ship, less GUI-clutter.
CCP need to figure out more innovate, miniatyre GUI.
In large fights we already have to scroll overview list, so that wouldn-¦t be problem with smaller screen. We just need more options for sorting out the overview.
Btw, do you guys realise that you can connect kb or drawing board into tablets? Modern bluetooth keyboards don-¦t need large AA or AAA batteries. Printers are WIFI nowadays, headsets are bluetooth.
Anyhoo, the change is coming, no matter how bitter the bitter vets are. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
724
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:31:00 -
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I own an android device and have played a wide variety of games on it.
Touchscreens suck for games. 'Nuff said.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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