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Ad Vesperum
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:12:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890
#noob#f*ckgankers#SMN#SMD#Joyjump |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:13:00 -
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I sure wish we had more threads discussing the new dev blog
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:13:00 -
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Nobody is in before me this time!
Edit: Damnit!
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:15:00 -
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rofl! |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:15:00 -
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They aren't giving your hulk a massive HP boost if you actually read it. Hulks are going to be pretty much the same as now.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Ad Vesperum
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:16:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:I sure wish we had more threads discussing the new dev blog
I sowwy :( I only wanted to rub it in :( |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:16:00 -
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yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield |
Ad Vesperum
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:17:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:They aren't giving your hulk a massive HP boost if you actually read it. Hulks are going to be pretty much the same as now.
lol idgaf about the hulk. Im just happy they're being balanced ;D |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:17:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:They aren't giving your hulk a massive HP boost if you actually read it. Hulks are going to be pretty much the same as now.
I point this out on the OTHER thread.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield
Just like you can't sacrifice one little TechMoon.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield
nah it'll work, miners will use them with the gaint new ore bays. : )
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield Just like you can't sacrifice one little TechMoon.
Haven't you quit yet?
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield
I think people are overlooking this. CCP is basically fitting your mining barge for you simply by making you chose a hull. Not really a buff or nerf, more like putting training wheels on an entire ship class because doing it in the fitting window was perceived too difficult. |
Ad Vesperum
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield Just like you can't sacrifice one little TechMoon.
LOL  |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield Just like you can't sacrifice one little TechMoon.
sure we can, we give them to our allies all the time
sadly we only have competent allies you can't get in line for one |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:20:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield I think people are overlooking this. CCP is basically fitting your mining barge for you simply by making you chose a hull. Not really a buff or nerf, more like putting training wheels on an entire ship class because doing it in the fitting window was perceived too difficult.
Yeah, I would be kind of insulted as a miner at these changes tbh.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:24:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:
Yeah, I would be kind of insulted as a miner at these changes tbh.
I can understand the new ORE Frigate for beginners.....but there is indeed NOTHING HERE for the Veteran Miner.
New Player Experience is being worked on, that's for sure and "**OBVIOUS**", but what about Player RETENTION ?
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Ad Vesperum
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:27:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
Yeah, I would be kind of insulted as a miner at these changes tbh.
I can understand the new ORE Frigate for beginners.....but there is indeed NOTHING HERE for the Veteran Miner. New Player Experience is being worked on, that's for sure and "**OBVIOUS**", but what about Player RETENTION ?
Nothing? You Obviously didn't read. The Hulk/Mackinaw/skiff are getting there roles reworked, and balaced to have the same(ish) survivability. We're actually getting a choice for something OTHER than a hulk for the job.
oh and moar cargospace :D no more need for extenders in the lows, DCU II and Armor plate here i come! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:27:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Just like you can't sacrifice one little TechMoon.
Haven't you quit yet?
It's really sad when folks question and doubt their own words. Esp. when the answer is ****OBVIOUS****
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:27:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:but what about Player RETENTION ?
Who the hell wants to retain players who don't actually play the game?
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
724
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Ad Vesperum wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
Yeah, I would be kind of insulted as a miner at these changes tbh.
I can understand the new ORE Frigate for beginners.....but there is indeed NOTHING HERE for the Veteran Miner. New Player Experience is being worked on, that's for sure and "**OBVIOUS**", but what about Player RETENTION ? Nothing? You Obviously didn't read. The Hulk/Mackinaw/skiff are getting there roles reworked, and balaced to have the same(ish) survivability. We're actually getting a choice for something OTHER than a hulk for the job. oh and moar cargospace :D no more need for extenders in the lows, DCU II and Armor plate here i come!
Heheheehehe.
More like they just fill their lows with MLUs like before and continue whining they can't tank their hulk without "giving up too much yield".
For a carebear giving up 0.00001m3 of yield is too much yield.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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Also not that I am comlaining, I understand the tank to yield trade off and it makes sense the bigger ship will hold more ore, but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how a cruiser sized vessel gets a better tank than a battleship sized one.  |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:35:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:They aren't giving your hulk a massive HP boost if you actually read it. Hulks are going to be pretty much the same as now.
You mean it'll still have the hull hp of a heavy drone?
You do realize there's a midpoint between the BS hp of the new skiff and that of an Ogre, right? And since baseline for current Hulk is so low, the increase would indeed qualify as a "massive boost" relative to before.
Standings Improvement Service
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Vincent Morxsus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:41:00 -
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The new Ore Frigate looks freaking awesome. I just love the new designs the art department is putting out these days, very nice work indeed. I just hope they make mining ops a bit more multitask (operation itself) and challenging.
Also looking forward to the new Minmatar ships designs V3, can-¦t wait for those.
Keep up the good work CPP! |
Russell Casey
Goldbug Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:00:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:but what about Player RETENTION ? Who the hell wants to retain players who don't actually play the game?
The gaming company that needs their money. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:05:00 -
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so i trained BC5 and destroyer 5 expecting racials and it turns out it wont happen for damn near a year!
well... at least I have them |
Qolde
Bombs Away.
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:06:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:but what about Player RETENTION ? Who the hell wants to retain players who don't actually play the game? The gaming company that needs their money.
CCP was doing fine when they had 10k subscribers.
If someone craps in your sandbox:
1. Light it on fire
2. Grab your shovel
3. Throw it back at them. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:09:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:yeah i mean you can get this battleship-class tank now but miners can't bear to sacrifice yield
Show me the fitting on a hulk that gives you the same 98k EHP that my Rattlesnake has and I'll believe everything you have to say from now until forever.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:10:00 -
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FFS CCP stop introducing more crap, FIX THE BROKEN STUFF FIRST!
Honestly this whole expansion will be about trying to wow the new guys, well guess what, listen to the Fing community and implament some of their ideas on how to make the game more new guy friendly instead of adding more useless content. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:11:00 -
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lol miners aren't going to give up 2/3rds of their yield for tank
skiffs were fine already btw if you had access to mercoxit |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:12:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:but what about Player RETENTION ? Who the hell wants to retain players who don't actually play the game? The gaming company that needs their money.
But when they don't play the game it really shouldn't matter what they think of a ship.......
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:17:00 -
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I fully support the proposed changes. They provide a great balance between tank and yield, and introduce specialization rather than progression through the barges and exhumers. Good job CCP for taking a balanced approach to giving miners more options without giving in to their whines.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:47:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol miners aren't going to give up 2/3rds of their yield for tank
skiffs were fine already btw if you had access to mercoxit
But now maybe at least Procurers will have a reason to exist beyond being consumed by Skiff production. And, while I agree that there will be a large contingent of people who will only look at m3/minute, having sensible alternatives to "rediculous," "tissue," and "obnoxious" (hulk, covetor, battleship...) will be nice.
Still not convinced on the frigate, though the artwork is pretty nice looking. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:50:00 -
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As a miner, I have some mixed feelings about these proposals.
Sounds like I'll have to buy a new line of ships, and park my Hulks permamently as I don't mine in fleets. The new frigate looks very cool, but it sounds too weak to use to ninja mine stuff out of nullsec...maybe it'll be really agile or cloakable or something.
The changes to the middle-sized mining ships sound pretty good to me.
The big problem with mining under the current mechanics is that it's so boring you fall asleep, so giving us a tanky ship with a huge cargo hold, *and crappy yield*, will just encourage more of the same sort of AFK while mining mindset. It'll be like mining with a hauler is today.
However, maybe they are changing these ships with an eye on future mining mechanics where they might really shine. These days, miners are looking for max yield to minimize the time spent on a crappy gameplay paradigm. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
719
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:00:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:but what about Player RETENTION ? Who the hell wants to retain players who don't actually play the game?
That would be CCP. Besides, anyone who logs in and selects a pilot is playing, no matter how much you do not want to see that.
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:02:00 -
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Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic, thank you.
Thread locked.
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