I think this is an excellent change. Why?

Pubbie scum that want to mine in highsec but don't want to be suicide ganked will have to use the low yield, high tank mining barge (an actual trade off, for once!).

Real miners will be using hulks, but because they need protection, the peasants will be forced into low-sec and will need to mine in groups and actually have pilots with them (because in high sec you can't protect against a suicide gank by having friends, in lowsec you can). This helps ensure the hulk is finally filling its role as a low sec mining ship.

CCP this is brilliant. It provides pubbie highsec scum with a way to avoid hulkageddon and makes miners (FOR THE FIRST TIME IN EVE'S HISTORY) have to consider cost/benefit of their activities instead of just watching the isk roll in while AFK in 1.0 systems. It might also help revitalize low-sec piracy and push the grief corps out of camping the jita 4-4 undock.

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to be honest i'm still finding it hard to justify a reason to use anything but the max yield ship.

Exactly. And to protect it you'll have to bring friends, go to low-sec and actively play.

I think this is an excellent change. Why?

Pubbie scum that want to mine in highsec but don't want to be suicide ganked will have to use the low yield, high tank mining barge (an actual trade off, for once!).

Real miners will be using hulks, but because they need protection, the peasants will be forced into low-sec and will need to mine in groups and actually have pilots with them (because in high sec you can't protect against a suicide gank by having friends, in lowsec you can). This helps ensure the hulk is finally filling its role as a low sec mining ship.

CCP this is brilliant. It provides pubbie highsec scum with a way to avoid hulkageddon and makes miners (FOR THE FIRST TIME IN EVE'S HISTORY) have to consider cost/benefit of their activities instead of just watching the isk roll in while AFK in 1.0 systems. It might also help revitalize low-sec piracy and push the grief corps out of camping the jita 4-4 undock.

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so you are a goon alt?

/agree

0.0 doesn't change but this is huge for high sec miners and as said by the OP may even push miners into low sec mining ops.

Good work CCP!

i doubt it'll push people in to low sec, low sec is the worst place to mine by a huge stretch.

... Goons would HATE this change. Way to think it through before posting.

Once upon a time a goonie said that only they are allowed to call people "pubbies'. Op used the term "pubbie scum" which either means he is a goon alt or he is infringing upon goon copyright of the term.

I think this is an excellent change. Why?

Pubbie scum that want to mine in highsec but don't want to be suicide ganked will have to use the low yield, high tank mining barge (an actual trade off, for once!).

Real miners will be using hulks, but because they need protection, the peasants will be forced into low-sec and will need to mine in groups and actually have pilots with them (because in high sec you can't protect against a suicide gank by having friends, in lowsec you can). This helps ensure the hulk is finally filling its role as a low sec mining ship.

CCP this is brilliant. It provides pubbie highsec scum with a way to avoid hulkageddon and makes miners (FOR THE FIRST TIME IN EVE'S HISTORY) have to consider cost/benefit of their activities instead of just watching the isk roll in while AFK in 1.0 systems. It might also help revitalize low-sec piracy and push the grief corps out of camping the jita 4-4 undock.

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Navitas, Bantam, Burst: long range offensive platforms. The Navitas is being overhauled as a drone boat, a role currently lacking among tech 1 small hulls. The Bantam will replace the Merlin as the long range dedicated Caldari sniper. Finally, the Burst still is bit blurry at the moment GÇô considered roles are mobile artillery platform, drone boat or a mix of both.

i doubt it'll push people in to low sec, low sec is the worst place to mine by a huge stretch.

Once upon a time a goonie said that only they are allowed to call people "pubbies'. Op used the term "pubbie scum" which either means he is a goon alt or he is infringing upon goon copyright of the term.

Perhaps CCP could buff low-sec mining yield? I don't see why low-sec couldn't really be made into a kind of "miners sec" with by far the richest ors. At least it would give it some purpose to exist instead of just being a boundary between 0.0 and high-sec. It would give pirates more targets, miners some excitement (and reason to coordinate) and give them a shorter path to key markets than what 0.0 mining would offer.

As someone pointed out, mining in 0.0 in an industry V system and a cynojammer is far far safer then low sec and with much better ores.

But yet no one has thought how this is going to hurt the Solo miners that mine in the upgraded null sec areas. These miners have to have a tank on that will be able to with-stand whatever spawn the system throws at them.

as long as the hulk doesn't lose any tank and is indeed the highest yield exhumer then nothing will change, the current hulk can tank null sec belt spawns (yes i know it involves faction mods but still it can be done) besides, nothing stops some one dropping a combat ship in the belt to clean up, even if a hulk can't perma tank them with t2 modules it'll tank long enough for some thing like a tengu or a mach etc to take out a belt spawn.

Depending on the drone bay configs, it sounds like you could almost deal with any mining op with a mix of the above and a few non-ORE defensive support (mostly tackle and a couple logi).

Procurer has a scan radius comparable to a T1 frigate.

New Procurer gets battleship tank.

New Procurer is fitted with warp disruptor in its mid-slot.

Fear the new Q-ship Tackle Procurer!

New FOTM in terms of baitship ?

Exactly. And to protect it you'll have to bring friends, go to low-sec and actively play.