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W1d0wmak3r	Posted - 2009.11.14 11:38:00 - [1] This may have been done to Death already. But......... Just how good is the Drake? What exactly are its strength and weaknesses? I want to use it for PvE (Level 4's) and eventually, PvP, (once I find a decent Corp who will train and advise me in this field).
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Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.11.14 12:01:00 - [3] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/11/2009 12:01:42 The Drake is a terrible BC and should never be used in pvp, EVER. Get a Harby/Hurricane Also get a Raven for level 4s. Using a Drake for them is painfully slow.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.14 12:04:00 - [4] In PvP, the HAM drake can have a huge buffer and do fair damage. You won't get the damage of gank fit of the other battlecruisers. I use it around lowsec to happily tank sentries while doing damage. In PvE, a drake can do missions up to level 4, but level 4s will be very slow as to reach the tank needed for level 4s you will need to drop BCUs.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 12:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/11/2009 12:01:42 The Drake is a terrible BC and should never be used in pvp, EVER. Get a Harby/Hurricane Look how stupid you are. I hope you are trolling. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
dark slanesh	Posted - 2009.11.14 12:18:00 - [6] The drake class cruiser Originally by: W1d0wmak3r Just how good is the Drake? While more heavily armoured than previous cruisers it was looking outdated even by the end of the 1st world war. Originally by: W1d0wmak3r What exactly are its strength and weaknesses? HMS drake's greatest weakness is that it was torpedoed in 1917 and therefore you're going to need some very good salvage and engineering skills to get it to sail, let alone fly.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.11.14 12:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/11/2009 12:25:37 Originally by: Suas Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/11/2009 12:01:42 The Drake is a terrible BC and should never be used in pvp, EVER. Get a Harby/Hurricane I hope you are trolling. Of course I'm trolling. The guy can't be bothered to do one search, or even flick back a couple of pages, you think I'm gonna give him accurate info? dark slanesh wins this thread though.
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.14 13:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 13:34:45 HAM Drake is the really tough but slow pro-wrestler that can destroy any BC or smaller that gets into its bear hug simply by outlasting its opponents with its huge tank. But it is crap at catching up to things and tackling them due its slow speed. And it is terrible at keeping up with fast gangs or escaping blobs because it is slow. So is Drake good for PVP? Very good if you have someone else to tackle and if your fleet does not have to travel very fast. Terrible if you don't have someone else to tackle and/or if your fleet does have to travel fast and hide and seek from enemy blobs. So it can be the best or the worst ship to use depending on situation.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 13:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 13:36:46 HAM Drake is the really tough but slow pro-wrestler that can destroy any BC or smaller that gets into its bear hug simply by outlasting its opponents with its huge tank. But it is crap at catching up to things and tackling them due its slow speed. And it is terrible at keeping up with fast gangs or escaping blobs because it is slow. So is Drake good for PVP? Very good if you have someone else to tackle and if your fleet does not have to travel very fast. Terrible if you don't have someone else to tackle and/or if your fleet does have to travel fast and escape from enemy blobs. So it can be the best or the worst ship to use depending on situation. You really have no idea what you're talking about, Darthewok. :/ _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.14 14:01:00 - [10] enlighten us then

Drakkan Koran	Posted - 2009.11.14 14:38:00 - [11] 1600 plates and trimark rigs make things slooooooow.
Tylara duChelm	Posted - 2009.11.14 14:38:00 - [12] The drake is an excellent BC, arguably the best BC for l4 missions. A trio of Invuln 2s and a single large repper will give you a VERY high tank, without forcing you to sacrifice anything from your limited low slots. Or you could go with pure passive recharge, and get 87k EHP, with a 382 ehp/sec recharge, 3 bcs, and 7x arbalest HML. That gives you 424dps, 2281 volley.
Demolishar	Posted - 2009.11.14 15:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Tylara duChelm .... a single large repper.... WTF!
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 16:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 15:16:42 ^^enlighten us then since you claim to be so knowledgeable. Drake is good for docking games, bait, defensive gangs that don't have to move fast, slow heavy roaming gangs, heavy clashes. Drake is not so good for faster roaming gangs deep into enemy territory. It has high likelihood of falling behind and getting blobbed. HAM Drake can beat most BC and below one on one, but on its own has difficulty catching stuff to fight in the first place due to slow movement and locking. It is reliant on baiting other pilots to get fights or on other ships in gang tackling for it. Drake is okay for level 4s but not as good as Raven which completes missions faster due to higher DPS. There are lots of people that think Drake is the best BC and also lots of people that think it absolutely sux. The truth is actually in between. Drake is both a fantastic BC if used in the situations it is suited for (where tank is more important than mobility) and a lousy BC if used outside those situations (eg. in a fast roaming gang where it becomes an easy target to blob). God you're so dumb. Do you have any idea what plates do to a ship? The Drake is one of the few (if not the only) BC that can pack a full shield tank along with full tackle (MWD, Web, Scram). If you wanted to use a buffer tank even remotely equal to that (it's still worse btw) on a Harbinger / Hurricane and still pack full tackle you would be required to armor tank it. And guess what happens when you compare the speed and agility of the Drake to the armor-tanked Harbinger & Hurricane? The Drake wins! GASP SHOCK HORROR You need to stop saying the Drake is 'slow' and 'immobile' and 'can't tackle' - you're really clueless. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.14 17:24:00 - [15] Originally by: TimMc In PvE, a drake can do missions up to level 4, but level 4s will be very slow as to reach the tank needed for level 4s you will need to drop BCUs. That's not true in all cases. You can go with an active setup and fit 4 BCUs on a Drake and tank all L4 pockets successfully with Raven-level DPS output. Those setups can get expensive, but they're viable. Apto Quod Ususfructus
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.11.14 17:41:00 - [16] The nice thing about a drake it that it can run L4's without taking weeks to train cruise missiles or torps. I use a 3 BCS or 4 BCS fit in L4's depending on the difficulty. I use faction BCS and hardeners to let it fit. EFT says I am running about 500dps. You can get far more from other ships, but I didn't want to train beyond BC's before I started working on other things. I can make 20 mil isk and hour and that feeds my other habits.
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.14 17:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 17:50:38 Originally by: Suas ... good points. yes, shield Drake is more mobile than plated harby/cane. ok, yeah you are right in that scenario. i was comparing more shield Drake vs shield-buffer harby/cane in fast roaming gang/ guerilla warfare situations. eg 3 hour roam through enemy territory with HACs/cruisers etc. in those sorts of situations a shield-buffer harby/cane can keep up but a Drake cannot. so yeah you made a good point. Drake cannot be considered less mobile or a worse tackler than armor-tanked BCs. My point was that Drake is slower than other shield-buffer fitted BCs and I should have mentioned I was talking about shield-buffer fitted BCs.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 17:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 17:50:38 Originally by: Suas ... good points. yes, shield Drake is more mobile than plated harby/cane. ok, yeah you are right in that scenario. i was comparing more shield Drake vs shield-buffer harby/cane in fast roaming gang/ guerilla warfare situations. eg 3 hour roam through enemy territory with HACs/cruisers etc. in those sorts of situations a shield-buffer harby/cane can keep up but a Drake cannot. so yeah you made a good point. Drake cannot be considered less mobile or a worse tackler than armor-tanked BCs. My point was that Drake is slower than other shield-buffer fitted BCs and I should have mentioned I was talking about shield-buffer fitted BCs. Yeah, and those BCs have terrible tackle (1pt max) and bad tanks. Drakes are superior and will easily keep up with any gang unless you're clueless. There's a reason you see how popular Drake / Scimitar gangs are. Do you have any idea how much better they are in a gang setting like that than Harbinger & Hurricane? _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
redstar8368 Caldari Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2009.11.14 18:00:00 - [19] the drake is a very useful ship in the right situation but its main weekness imo as with many buffer tanked ships is that sheild extenders and rigs make you a bigger target and mutch easyer to hit for battle ships this mixed with its slower than avrege speed gives it a balanceing factor when compared to the other bc becuse im sure the other races would not be best pleased if we could move fast spam assault missles and put up a large passive tank i would also like to point to some of the more imature comments i expect sutch things from wow players but not from eve players when one of our own is just trying to get the infomation he need to be useful to a corp eather we work together else eve perishes alone see you in space
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.14 18:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Suas ... Drake/Scimitar gangs are awesome woot. However Drakes cannot keep up with T2 cruiser gangs, whereas speed-fit shield-tanked Harbies, Brutixes and Canes can. Anyway, I am not saying Drake is not a great BC.

W1d0wmak3r	Posted - 2009.11.14 18:39:00 - [21] Oks, there is allot of information for me to mull over, now, I want to stick with caldari cruiser or battlecruiser sized ships only, what would be the ship I should train for in that case?
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 19:00:00 - [22] Originally by: redstar8368 the drake is a very useful ship in the right situation but its main weekness imo as with many buffer tanked ships is that sheild extenders and rigs make you a bigger target and mutch easyer to hit for battle ships this mixed with its slower than avrege speed gives it a balanceing factor when compared to the other bc becuse im sure the other races would not be best pleased if we could move fast spam assault missles and put up a large passive tank You are also not too bright. Please don't post any more. Originally by: W1d0wmak3r Oks, there is allot of information for me to mull over, now, I want to stick with caldari cruiser or battlecruiser sized ships only, what would be the ship I should train for in that case? Drake & Cerberus are both good ships - Cerberus is more focused towards long range and works good in LR HAC gangs whereas Drakes are awesome up close and personal. Nighthawk has PG issues but is great in a gang setting. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.11.14 19:08:00 - [23] Originally by: W1d0wmak3r Oks, there is allot of information for me to mull over, now, I want to stick with caldari cruiser or battlecruiser sized ships only, what would be the ship I should train for in that case? Drake or Caracal. The Drake is incredibly versatile. Solo or small gang? HAM fit it and it'll take down nearly anything its own size or smaller as well as put up a decent fight against larger targets. Running in a gang? HML's with trip-BCU's and a buffer are the way to go. Or, you can do what most people expect and brick tank the hell out of it to use as bait. Alternatively, if you absolutely, positively have to kill all the frigates you would be hard pressed to find a more effective ship than the AML-Caracal. Caldari ships in general are proper hawt at the moment. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.11.14 19:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Darthewok Originally by: Suas ... Drake/Scimitar gangs are awesome woot. However Drakes cannot keep up with T2 cruiser gangs, whereas speed-fit shield-tanked Harbies, Brutixes and Canes can. Anyway, I am not saying Drake is not a great BC. some quick eft warrioring gets a drake fit that is just as agile as the standard "vagacane" setup, with similar dps (read more dps, thanks fall off) and 30k more ehp. less straight line speed. although at that point, why aren't you bringing a hac to a hac gang anyways.
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.14 19:15:00 - [25] Firstly, Cerb is great. Also, Drake rules. Lol, Nighthawk is a monster. Cerberus, did we mention Cerberus? Of course, try other ships if you like then. Not sure if we missed mentioning any ship. Probably not. Just BECAUSE OF.
dark slanesh	Posted - 2009.11.14 20:57:00 - [26] Originally by: redstar8368 eather we work together else eve perishes alone Indeed, forum trolls UNITE. We must educate players of low comprehension in the deceitful ways of eve to prevent corruption from being bred out of our little gene puddle. To return to the OP however: Originally by: W1d0wmak3r Oks, there is allot of information for me to mull over, now, I want to stick with caldari cruiser or battlecruiser sized ships only, what would be the ship I should train for in that case? This padawan is smart, his focus is narrow to a point. Your caracal is your friend and teacher, it should be by your side from smooth cheeked scholar to bearded wise man. Eat not the fruits of the cerb tree or tengu bush till your AML caracal can murder assault frigates with a mere glance and your HM caracal has perfect range to ensure death of your enemy while evading fire yourself. The way of the crow should be learned before the way of the navy caracal, it will teach you to dance on a pin head, to be fearless of multiple enemies and to disengage at will. While the drake is often piloted like a brick, if you want to truly fly it you must know how to kite, how to manipulate transversal, how sig bloom affect missiles and many other factors that you can experience in the other caldari cruisers. And so we return to the caracal, i recommend it because it is weaker, slower and has less DPS than it's counterparts but has tactical advantages in it's range and weapon choice so is ideal to learn how to fly without relying on pure tank n gank. PVP often to PVP well, love your losses as your teacher and laugh with your enemy in local. You will do well. Originally by: Darthewok Not sure if we missed mentioning any famous ship. Probably not. Just BECAUSE OF. Sssshhh, every caldari cruiser pilot knows of the dark path, he must find his own way there.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.14 22:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Suas on 14/11/2009 22:05:42 Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 19:20:38 Drake/Scimitar gangs are awesome woot. However Drakes cannot keep up with T2 cruiser gangs, whereas speed-fit shield-tanked Harbies, Brutixes and Canes can. Anyway, I am not saying Drake is not a great BC. You're a fool. No one in their right mind would bring a Hurri / Harb / Brutix to a HAC gang unless they want to get reamed by the FC in charge for being a cheap and useless twit. Also, 95% of HAC gangs are LR HACs where those ships can't keep up (in terms of optimal). You really have no idea what you're talking about. :/ _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.14 23:01:00 - [28] Originally by: W1d0wmak3r This may have been done to Death already. But......... Just how good is the Drake? What exactly are its strength and weaknesses? I want to use it for PvE (Level 4's) and eventually, PvP, (once I find a decent Corp who will train and advise me in this field). I have 1 piece of advice for your drake: 3x Ballistic Controll II
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.11.15 00:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 14/11/2009 19:32:31 Originally by: W1d0wmak3r Oks, there is allot of information for me to mull over, now, I want to stick with caldari cruiser or battlecruiser sized ships only, what would be the ship I should train for in that case? Firstly, Cerb is great. Also, Drake rules. Lol, Nighthawk is a monster. Caracal, did we mention AML Caracal? Of course, try other ships too if you like then. Not sure if we missed mentioning any famous ship. Probably not. Just BECAUSE OF. You forgot Rook.
Darthewok Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.15 01:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Tagami Wasp You forgot Rook. Eeek! ECM!!!!!! How underhanded. Originally by: Suas You're a fool. No one in their right mind would bring a Hurri / Harb / Brutix to a HAC gang unless they want to get reamed by the FC in charge for being a cheap and useless twit. Also, 95% of HAC gangs are LR HACs where those ships can't keep up (in terms of optimal). Wow, thanks for opening my eyes to the fact that HACs are better for HAC gangs. And for assuming I don't know how a 100km range Zealot/Muninn range-tanking gang operates. Here's a big shocker: sometimes people don't have the skills or funds to fly sniper HACs. That's when speed-fit shield-tanked BCs are a fun alternative in fast mixed gangs (of course not as good as HACs but a step up over T1 cruisers). Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton nanodrake nanodrake sounds good.



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