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Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2009.11.17 17:59:00 - [31] I'm interested in buying gallente boats @ below fraud prices.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.11.17 18:01:00 - [32] Originally by: cosmoray Re-dock, get in new ship, undock. Oh-oh agression timer. Pop Repeat. Fail. You forgot to insure.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.11.18 20:15:00 - [33] I finally got around to blowing up my 20 Rokhs. It took me more than an hour, but that was because I didn't know about the 30 second invulnerability delay after undock. You need to lock something like the station to get the sentries to open fire on you. I started the aggro with a target painter on a station sentry and didn't take a standings or security hit as far as I know. Took 45 seconds for the ship to die from the first shot to the pop. I think I can do 20 in an hour knowing what I know now. The big problem is the salvage. I made a grand total of 2.6 million for 20 Rokhs, or 130K per ship (Jita buy prices.) It is hard to say it is even worth the trouble to salvage. From now on I will only destroy ships I build myself from minerals, because that is where the real profit seems to be.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.11.18 20:27:00 - [34] Edited by: FunzzeR on 18/11/2009 20:27:39 Originally by: Claire Voyant I finally got around to blowing up my 20 Rokhs. It took me more than an hour, but that was because I didn't know about the 30 second invulnerability delay after undock. You need to lock something like the station to get the sentries to open fire on you. I started the aggro with a target painter on a station sentry and didn't take a standings or security hit as far as I know. Took 45 seconds for the ship to die from the first shot to the pop. I think I can do 20 in an hour knowing what I know now. The big problem is the salvage. I made a grand total of 2.6 million for 20 Rokhs, or 130K per ship (Jita buy prices.) It is hard to say it is even worth the trouble to salvage. From now on I will only destroy ships I build myself from minerals, because that is where the real profit seems to be. Try Amarr battleships next, they yield much better salvage (Armor Plates/Melted Cap Consoles) than the other races--about 1 mil to 1.5 mil per bs on average in salvage revenue.
Oldadam	Posted - 2009.11.19 06:00:00 - [35] cosmo how stupid can you get...your telling everyone in the forums the secret that very few of us have known for the past 3 months. You create this thread out of either pure stupidity or you just stashed a ton of minerals. Either way you wouldve made more profits if you kept your mouth shut and kept on making your ships.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.11.19 06:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Oldadam cosmo how stupid can you get...your telling everyone in the forums the secret that very few of us have known for the past 3 months. You create this thread out of either pure stupidity or you just stashed a ton of minerals. Either way you wouldve made more profits if you kept your mouth shut and kept on making your ships. If lots and lots of ships get popped for insurance, the mineral basket HAS to go up in value!! Two pronged assault, make all the ships I need until contracts are dead for reasonably priced BPC's then stock up on minerals. Win - win. Thanks very much.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.11.19 09:51:00 - [37] A word of warning for anyone going down the 'get GCC, repeatedly undock and reset timer' method of self-destructing - people will see your pod as flashy red on the overview and may try to shoot at it, possibly unaware that this gets them concorded (unless they're also at war with you). A cheap jump clone is advised. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.11.19 13:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Oldadam cosmo how stupid can you get...your telling everyone in the forums the secret that very few of us have known for the past 3 months. You create this thread out of either pure stupidity or you just stashed a ton of minerals. Either way you wouldve made more profits if you kept your mouth shut and kept on making your ships. If you think this is a big secret you think way too highly of yourself. Most ship manufacturers, and many traders, that I know of now and have known over the last few years have done this every downturn. This is about as fundamental as reprocessing itself, or knowing how to station trade. Cosmo just has a nice angle on it where he still makes profit without having to do the hard part, which -is- clever.
Cheeba Don Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.11.19 14:05:00 - [39] Confirming that many people are aware of this, but since prices never dive that low, most people have better ways to make ISK per hour (Im talking about people here buying BS off market then suiciding, not BS builders themselves). Saying that, while sieging towers the other day, I afk self destructed 20 ravens over the course of an or two. Made about 1.4m per bs and maybe ~150k salvage per bs. --------- oOk!
Oldadam	Posted - 2009.11.19 15:10:00 - [40] Edited by: Oldadam on 19/11/2009 15:12:00 Quote: If you think this is a big secret you think way too highly of yourself. Most ship manufacturers, and many traders, that I know of now and have known over the last few years have done this every downturn. This is about as fundamental as reprocessing itself, or knowing how to station trade. Cosmo just has a nice angle on it where he still makes profit without having to do the hard part, which -is- clever. Thanks for pointing that out. Its not the people like yourself that im worried about, but rather all the noobs that cant find what to build for a profit. This thread will only speed up the process to a recovery in mineral prices. This kind of info is meant to stay in your circle of -friends-, not available to the -masses- that dont have a clue about reprocessing.
RJ Nobel Nobel Research and Development	Posted - 2009.11.19 18:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Oldadam This thread will only speed up the process to a recovery in mineral prices. Heh. I wonder why Cosmo would give away a profitable "secret" if it's just going to cause certain minerals, currently undervalued in the mineral basket, to suddenly climb in price? And yes, this is a bump.
Oldadam	Posted - 2009.11.19 18:25:00 - [42] Edited by: Oldadam on 19/11/2009 18:31:43 Quote: And yes, this is a bump. lol bump it all you want...the thread has already been made public I also never intended this thing to last past dominion either. So it was only a matter time really. Was nice making 15 bil a month though
Tele Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.11.19 18:33:00 - [43] Keep going guys, lets see trit prices back up.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.11.19 18:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro A word of warning for anyone going down the 'get GCC, repeatedly undock and reset timer' method of self-destructing - people will see your pod as flashy red on the overview and may try to shoot at it, possibly unaware that this gets them concorded (unless they're also at war with you). A cheap jump clone is advised. I don't think I had a GCC (Global Criminal Countdown) because I only target painted a station sentry, my alt didn't see me as red, and concord did not respond. I know someone lost implants in Jita recently suiciding ships and I don't know what happened except maybe someone took him out for fun. I guess that is one problem with doing it in Jita. The other is having to compete with others for your salvage. I can see why the suicide gankers might not be happy with the insurance fraud people and would probably try to discourage it if they could. On another note, I bought a Phoenix for 1.05b off contracts today and will suicide it for 29mil profit and lulz if the market doesn't pick up soon.
PinkFish	Posted - 2009.11.20 16:10:00 - [45] I'm genuinely surprised that suicide ganking hasn't taken off to unprecedented levels. Get get a small gang of BS pilots together with cheap fittings and go gank those freighters already! With the new emphasis on ratting for sov I bet getting your sec status back up will be easier then ever.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.11.20 16:37:00 - [46] Originally by: RJ Nobel Originally by: Oldadam This thread will only speed up the process to a recovery in mineral prices. Heh. I wonder why Cosmo would give away a profitable "secret" if it's just going to cause certain minerals, currently undervalued in the mineral basket, to suddenly climb in price? And yes, this is a bump. Because he's invested in the minerals, as he's admitted elsewhere. Doesn't make it any less ISK that you can make.
laksmi2	Posted - 2009.11.20 16:55:00 - [47] i am all for that business plan
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.11.21 05:30:00 - [48] Another 120 Rokh's available on Sunday at 113.5M
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.11.26 13:46:00 - [49] For anyone looking for an efficient means of ship destruction, I am willing to offer a useful service. For a small fee, customers can join my corp and be shot at by my POS guns 23/7 without needing to lose standings or sec status. The fee covers my increased fuel and ammo expenses. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.26 19:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 26/11/2009 19:29:42 Instead why not do the following i) Build a fleet of 200 battleships ii) Take out insurance on said battleships iii) Rent out the fleet to the alliance offering the highest monthly fee iv) When a ship is destroyed, replace it for free with another insured battleship - thus guaranteeing a profit when it is blown up and a continuing loan fee for keeping the fleet at 200 v) Do the same again, except this time loan the 200 ships to an enemy of the first alliance, guaranteeing a suitably keen market and high rate of destruction. The insurance in EVE is stark mad raving bonkers, why not take advantage of it? The above mechanism is what all the alliances are doing anyway - except we are the ones paying for it with inflation. This way, they pay for it and we make money out of it Edit: You can call your business "fake-fleets" in mockery of the fake wars undertaken by those fake alliances who are insured to carry them out for free AND ARE TOO STUPID TO REALISE IT!! (gotta love the way they count their killboards like it actually means something )
Vasta Magna Yarex Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.26 22:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Liberty Eternal scheme Insurance is void if it gets blown up with someone else in it.
Order Mae	Posted - 2009.11.27 20:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Vasta Magna Originally by: Liberty Eternal scheme Insurance is void if it gets blown up with someone else in it. - Use a corp high sec pos, deliver bs to ship maint array with your freighter alt (anchor right next to pos shield for less travel time) - pirate gets into ship while in FF, corp insures bs at platinum - go outside shield and get popped by the police - profit, rinse and repeat. untested, but should work...
Sulg Skies Tis Moiras Amici Noctis	Posted - 2009.11.28 13:11:00 - [53] Originally by: PinkFish I'm genuinely surprised that suicide ganking hasn't taken off to unprecedented levels. Get get a small gang of BS pilots together with cheap fittings and go gank those freighters already! With the new emphasis on ratting for sov I bet getting your sec status back up will be easier then ever. Well, there was the Great Fear of Jihad Swarms however long ago. But you make a good point, all the same. I'm searching for a good reasons as to why we haven't seen an increase in suicide ganking, but...really can't come up with one. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Warp speed is not fast enough. We must go straight to...ludicrous speed!
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.11.28 13:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro For anyone looking for an efficient means of ship destruction, I am willing to offer a useful service. For a small fee, customers can join my corp and be shot at by my POS guns 23/7 without needing to lose standings or sec status. The fee covers my increased fuel and ammo expenses. Cute. ----------------
Aurorae Andromedae	Posted - 2009.11.28 14:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Sulg Originally by: PinkFish I'm genuinely surprised that suicide ganking hasn't taken off to unprecedented levels. Get get a small gang of BS pilots together with cheap fittings and go gank those freighters already! With the new emphasis on ratting for sov I bet getting your sec status back up will be easier then ever. Well, there was the Great Fear of Jihad Swarms however long ago. But you make a good point, all the same. I'm searching for a good reasons as to why we haven't seen an increase in suicide ganking, but...really can't come up with one. Because it gets boring. The first gank is fun, punch of Mackinaws goes kaboom in ice field. Whee! Only thing you get from doing that is the 'whee' If you want to make profit, you need tons of guys for intel, scanning, and actual ganking. Then you will have the 10 guys, and if they do that nightly - they get bored fast if you don't find good enough targets. Orca's usually haul the real expensive stuff nowadays since you can't see the corp hangars by scanning the ship. Sure there are some guys and girls doing suicide ganking, but it's just not that easy and profitable so it would be really popular.

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