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ARREB
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: ARREB on 16/11/2009 23:03:04
Below is a response from a GM when we enetered a stable wormhole with 5 cruisers and a frig and it collapsed leaving us stuck in a WH.
The description said it was stable and would not last a day and not significantly affected by ships passing through. This Wh should not have collapsed but did against what the desciption stated.
Here is the GMs response .I bolded the inportant info:
(Hi,
Please be aware that wormholes can collapse at any time and without much of a warning, and if the mass is depleted even when they are still at the beginning of their life cycle. Entering a wormhole without probes or means of escape is part of the risk when exploring these uncharted areas.
 Information you received may not always be 100% accurate and is part of the risk of entering a wormhole.
At this time, it is against our policies to move players out wormholes until after all ingame methods have been exhausted.
If you think you may have encountered a bug within the game. Please file a detailed bugreport on this issue. This is done at our website under the EVE Insider tab: https://bugs.eve-online.com/newbugreport.asp
Here are further instructions on how to file a useful bugreport: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=585921
If you have any further issues, please don't hesitate to contact us again. )
So do not go into a WH without probes. As for myself I will not be going into any Wormholes since CCP can not get the descpitions correct and if most of us stay out of these wh maybe CCP will corroctly label these so we can enjoys them and not losse ships and implants because of a poorly designed info system.
ARREB
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:07:00 -
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 Originally by: ARREB
So do not go into a WH without probes.
There's your lesson from this experience. The rest is pretty much not novel, and will probably be gone as soon as a mod notices you quoting a GM correspondence.
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Ryhss
Caldari
Sarum A Fortiori
Sanctimony of Bellum
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:09:00 -
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You don't go in WH's, you go through them. Just nit picking. What happened to you does indeed sux0rs.
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Irongut
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:20:00 -
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You learned 3 important lessons today:
1) Don't believe everything you read
2) Always send a prober through a wormhole first
3) Don't quote GM correspondence on the forums
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari
Axis and Alloys
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.11.17 00:29:00 -
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What if a larger group had gone into the WH after and kept a bubble on it? what if somebody jumped a handfull of battleships through over and over to close it?
Out of 6 ships, one should have given up a high slot & pittance for fitting for a probe launcher.
Threads like this after this long, Seriously?
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.11.17 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
You learned 3 important lessons today:
1) Don't believe everything you read
2) Always send a prober through a wormhole first
3) Don't quote GM correspondence on the forums
4) At least half of GMs dont play this game and have no clue what you are asking them about
(yeah, in my last petition i had to explain GM few basic game mechanics... thats just sad)
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.17 01:06:00 -
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Nothing new here, the descriptions is accurate under normal circumstances, but WH's can and will collapse _RANDOMLY_ from time to time, this has been a stated feature of WH's from day one. L2P. Don't go into a WH without a prober.
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.17 03:56:00 -
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Every ship needs a probe launcher. Sacrifice one turret/missile launcher if you have to. as DPS is useless when you are stuck.
It's not rocket surgery.
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2009.11.17 04:02:00 -
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Maybe 5 cruisers were enough to significantly effect its stability? Maybe someone else was hauling in and out while you were having fun in there? Maybe it's just random? Who knows?
So many factors! I love this game.
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Aralieus
Amarr
Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.11.17 04:06:00 -
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HAHAHAHA....dood, its your own fault regardless if the wh closed or not. You should always make sure to have 1 dedicated prober and 2 ships in your fleet to have a probe launcher fitted. Lesson learned I suppose 
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necrosia demora
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Posted - 2009.11.17 05:41:00 -
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can i ask what race ships you were flying. bare in mind armor plates add mass. if you had a fleet and they were fitted with plates. they can significantly affect a wh causing premature collapse. i know this for certain as i have used plate fitted cruisers to do just that, collapse a wh with ease.
you should really do your math before taking on a wh especially when a fleet is involved.
whs by all accounts are unpredictable and this is stated to some degree in the description. ccp out of courtesy has allowed for us to sumise a reasonable guess of wh life and stability. they are not going to sppon feed us exact info just so people can go ahead unprepared.
all i can say is its your mistake. you learn from this and move on.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.17 05:52:00 -
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You know, many cruisers have an extra high slot after all their weapon high slots are filled. Maybe one of you should have fitted a core probe launcher instead of a salvager.
If you don't fully understand what you're getting yourself into, maybe it would be prudent to research it.
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EVE is an amazing game, but other players ruin it.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.17 07:47:00 -
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/me laughs quietly to himself.. you fools have no clue what real wh space is
Quite the contrary. The description has always been 100% accurate for me. Chances are pretty good its a PEBKAC error.
Also, I make it a point to have a wh system fully scanned out before I even go in it with anything other than my covops.. Granted, that takes less than a half hour per system.
Then again, ive never actually got stuck in a wh yet.. So maybe im just lucky.
OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY!
Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Spurty
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:27:00 -
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So I am in empire with my cloaking altband I discover a worm hole.
I get into Hank-a-geddon with an mwd fitted and set up shop with a nice camp inside.
Cloaking alt watching on the empire side to make sure I can handle what's coming.
I wait for 20 mins and see some customers appear. Hmmm 5 cruisers is a bit too much for me so I turn on my mwd to increase my mass and wait for them to start jumping in.
They all jump at the same time so I jump out collapsing the worm hole.
Strange thing is, I land in the empire system but because the wormhole collapsed I am randomly placed somewhere and not at the other side where the entrance was!
Phew that was close as being a happy go lucky sort if fool, I neglected to fit a prober to my gank ship!!!
What a nullnunullll[/url]giggle the boys would have had if I had gotten stuck without a probe launcher. Be called all sorta of n00b type names for that one *BLUSH*
This may or may not have happened to the op but I can tell you fir sure, it does happen and has kind of happened to me and soe friends but with less qq at the result
Originally by: Machine Delta
When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source.
pretty deep coming from you |
Spurty
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:35:00 -
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My left thumb and iPhone auto correct = pigeon English lol
Originally by: Machine Delta
When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source.
pretty deep coming from you |
Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 17/11/2009 11:43:36
A few times I have scanned a WH entrance, flown to it, entered it (so I know the bookmark is accurate and the WH unoccupied) then flown out and switched to my mission ship, flown back and its gone. In all cases the WH was untouched. Further scanning showed it gone and not a bookmark error.
But that is no surprise, it's always been said WH's can despawn randomly. Maybe just me going in or scanning it triggered a timer. Either way going into one without a prober is dumb and always was. The description is accurate, if I remember it says 'probably won't last...' which can be from immediate onwards.
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Domoso
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:56:00 -
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The description may have been accurate. The WH may not have been affected by large masses traversing it.....that is until you took 5 ships through it. The descriptions are vague enough that you should understand they don't give you the information you need to determine when the wh will collapse naturally and under which circumstances they can be forced to collapse prematurely. This is generally understood by those that have explored WH's. I'm assuming by your displeasure that you did not go through with one of five of your mates having scanner probes?? And were unable to get back to hi-sec? You had to have had them to find the WH. You should have had them on the otherside as well.
What the GM told you is correctly only in so much as the WH description is purposely vague enough not to be completely reliable. There are online websites with much better WH descriptions than the in-game info. Use them. And understand that WH's are inherently dangerous for the unprepared.
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David Grogan
Gallente
Final Conflict UK
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
It's not rocket surgery.
lol dont ya mean it's not rocket SCIENCE?
or it's not brain surgery?
SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Spurty
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
It's not rocket surgery.
lol dont ya mean it's not rocket SCIENCE?
or it's not brain surgery?
this post reminded me that I wanted to post a top 20 trolls post
number 1 troll is that gm s don't play the game. Failing to get someoned humorous catch phrase mashup must be in at lest the top 15
Originally by: Machine Delta
When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source.
pretty deep coming from you |
5pinDizzy
Amarr
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:43:00 -
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Does anyone get else annoyed to find out the kind of stupid crap that ends up making a petition of your own takes a couple of weeks to answer?
I'd just like to make another call for a community assisted petition system where the GM's only handle the ones they need to.
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HowardStern
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:19:00 -
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Do we know why GM correspondence is so heinous/atrocious that it needs to be deleted at every turn? And if 1 person is worthy of receiving it, why is it to be kept secret from everyone else? Surely they have as much right to read it as anyone else.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
RennTech
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: HowardStern
Do we know why GM correspondence is so heinous/atrocious that it needs to be deleted at every turn? And if 1 person is worthy of receiving it, why is it to be kept secret from everyone else? Surely they have as much right to read it as anyone else.
this.
It probably has a lot to do with inconsistencies in GM responses. They dont want players realizing that someone else got a certain response, and they can expect the same response.
To me, this whole policy shows that they don't trust their own GMs to be consistent within their rules, or worse, allow their GMs to interpret the rules their own way.
Absolutely shameful.
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.11.17 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 17/11/2009 19:58:53
Originally by: HowardStern
Do we know why GM correspondence is so heinous/atrocious that it needs to be deleted at every turn? And if 1 person is worthy of receiving it, why is it to be kept secret from everyone else? Surely they have as much right to read it as anyone else.
Because it's a private conversation between an individual player and a GM. Just because two people have a conversation doesn't give anyone else the right to evesdrop. Self entitlement has never been justified.
Besides, GM conversations that are publicly posted are often taken out of context and wildly misinterpreted as EvE players tend to do.
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: ARREB
The description said it was stable and would not last a day and not significantly affected by ships passing through. This Wh should not have collapsed but did against what the desciption stated.
I never saw a wormhole description which said "does not collapse". When did they add this?
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Because it's a private conversation between an individual player and a GM.
Close.
It's actually a question asked of an automaton that pushes the auto response button that seems to fit the subject line in the petition. No actual conversation happens until escalation has been requested and approved by said automaton.
Mr Epeen 
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Nahjar Qu'in
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:16:00 -
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Anything I've ever read about wormholes says to bring a prober with you. So.....yeah.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:38:00 -
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Erhm... what where you gonna do in the W-space system without a prober? Dragrace from moon to moon? Without a prober there is nothing to be found in W-space but getting lost (and selfdestructing because of it) or being shot to pieces.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:10:00 -
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http://pages.suddenlink.net/eve/images/epicfail.gif
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TheHolyJitaChecker
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:52:00 -
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CCP need to cool down on the Censorship...
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Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:06:00 -
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OK, I've only been in WHs a couple times, and I know not to enter them without probes. The OP apparently does the WH thing for a living....and if not for a living, at the very least a whole lot more than me. So......
WTF were you thinking?!? No probes?!? You deserved to lose every ship you took in there.
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