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soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2009.11.26 05:33:00 - [91] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 26/11/2009 05:33:50 Page 4 Snipa EDIT: YES!!!!, FINALLY! Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.26 05:46:00 - [92] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Tallaran Kouros The law is not broken. It's a strict liability offense and the police did what they were duty bound to do. As I have explained in a previous answer, the CPS are at fault for pressing ahead with the prosecution. And you see nothing broken there eh. The man was trying to do the right thing and turn in a dangerous firearm. But his steps weren't Government issued steps, as I'm guessing they didn't send him a pamphlet, and now he's liable to receive 5 years, for removing a firearm off the streets. Better keep in mind if you find a firearm in a bag in your back yard best toss it over the fence into your neighbors yard and be done with it. Yes indeed,because its entirely rational to hand in a sawn off shotgun that you just happen to find to the police.My friend you live in lala land. No I live in America, where you can hand in a firearm, fill out a police form and answer a few questions like where you found it, and go about your life instead of being arrested and locked up. Lala land is for liberals and unicorns. We have a lower murder rate over here in Lala land, and Unicorn stake is delicious But seriously, different countries, different laws. Most British Citizens are perfectly happy with the current gun laws as rightly or wrongly, we believe it makes our country safer The idea is that if no one has guns, then no one needs to have a gun for "protection", since no one else has a gun. In reality, since guns are effectively banned, the only way you're going to get a gun is through involvement with organised crime, and at that point you're far too gone to care. However, since organised crime rarely permiates middle-britain, most people see no reason to carry or own a gun, and honestly, most criminal organisations are not concerned with breaking into people's houses and stealing DVD players It's indicative that Police in the UK wear "stab" proof vest rather than "bullet" proof vests to give you an idea into how most would be criminals gang members or those seeking "protection" go about arming themselves. There are also moral issues regarding proportionality. In the USA, the gun in the home-owner's hand makes him potential judge, jury and executioner. With the home-owner or "defendee" already likely to be scared and in an emotional state after having been attacked or broken into, the potential for disproportionate response with fatal/irreversable consequences has been deemed by society and the law in the UK to be 'unacceptable' as it were Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.26 06:23:00 - [93] Oh, I forgot to mention, since someone brought it up earlier, we've had terrorists in the UK since before the USA was born We didn't need any specific laws for the IRA, but the war on terror is for a separate thread me thinks Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.26 10:55:00 - [94] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 25/11/2009 18:21:17 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Whitehound When the law fails to recognize good intentions then they also fail to recognize the bad ones. Erm, no. Do not troll me. You confuse acknowledgement with recognition. No one is infallible, neither you, me or the judge, and it looks as if this case has made it into the press. I'm not trolling you, but you are comparing apples with oranges.
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Antaeus Combine	Posted - 2009.11.26 17:50:00 - [95] Hmmm Spoon thumb just mark me up as minority then. Live in the UK? check think the laws that were brought in about gun ownership were a vote whoring kneejerk reaction? Check Did you know that about what 4 or 5 years ago the snowdrop campain manged to get funding increase for forces based youth groups stopped becuase "they teach young people to shoot/kill"? Oh yeah and gun crime went up after the ban BTW, so that worked so fecking well. And no just incase anybody asks I have never owned a firearm, although i did enjoy putting rounds down range. Was in one of the forces based youth groups and was a mbr of the Armed forces, that was where i did so apart from occasionaly firing .22 rimfire at the new year carnival in SSEC in glasgow once in a while (saddly can't do that anymore). But this is another argument/disscussion. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Overseer Aliena Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.27 02:13:00 - [96] Originally by: Spoon Thumb We have a lower murder rate over here in Lala land, and Unicorn stake is delicious Your also a 5th of our population and barely cover the size of one of our smaller states, what's your point?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.11.27 02:29:00 - [97] Originally by: Spoon Thumb But seriously, different countries, different laws. Most British Citizens are perfectly happy with the current gun laws as rightly or wrongly, we believe it makes our country safer Honestly, I don't care if you guys are content with having no guns. Not. My. Issue. My issue is that a guy tried turning in a gun for the safety of the people and look at where he ended up. Oh by the that's what this thread is about. Originally by: Spoon Thumb The idea is that if no one has guns, then no one needs to have a gun for "protection", since no one else has a gun. In reality, since guns are effectively banned, the only way you're going to get a gun is through involvement with organised crime, and at that point you're far too gone to care. You know, I've been saying that for a while. Gun laws affect the law abiding. And I keep saying that if you want a gun bad enough you can get a gun. And the people keep laughing at me but its funny, after all these years guns still keep showing up. Whatever though right? Originally by: Spoon Thumb However, since organised crime rarely permiates middle-britain, most people see no reason to carry or own a gun, and honestly, most criminal organisations are not concerned with breaking into people's houses and stealing DVD players I would laugh at you for being blind to your surroundings but there's a reason why they call it organized crime. Because its organized. And you know, crime doesn't like to get caught. Its closer to you than you think. Do you know what your neighbors are like behind closed doors? Originally by: Spoon Thumb It's indicative that Police in the UK wear "stab" proof vest rather than "bullet" proof vests to give you an idea into how most would be criminals gang members or those seeking "protection" go about arming themselves. Another good point that I've been making for years. After they banned guns the criminals switched to knives. You take those away and they'll improvise yet again. Bricks, bottlenecks, pipes, fist. Can't ban everything. Originally by: Spoon Thumb There are also moral issues regarding proportionality. In the USA, the gun in the home-owner's hand makes him potential judge, jury and executioner. With the home-owner or "defendee" already likely to be scared and in an emotional state after having been attacked or broken into, the potential for disproportionate response with fatal/irreversable consequences has been deemed by society and the law in the UK to be 'unacceptable' as it were I'm not sure what you were trying to get at there, it looked like you started talking about one subject then moved to another subject entirely. But for the first half I'll take my castle doctrine any day over going to jail for defending yourself against an intruder in your home. But this part has exactly Jack to do with the thread at hand.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.11.27 02:35:00 - [98] Just about time for my show stopping moment......
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.27 02:44:00 - [99] I think you Americans need to sort out you own laws and practises before criticizing others. I think this man would Agree.
Orion Eridanus Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.11.27 02:54:00 - [100] Edited by: Orion Eridanus on 27/11/2009 02:57:10 I think women should stop spending billions each year on beauty enhancements and products and instead give it to people who need help or programs and sciences that will help advance humanity. Oh Britain has racists in positions of power as well. Edit: I wish my state had Castle Doctrine Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.

Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.27 03:14:00 - [101] Edited by: Motaka on 27/11/2009 03:15:26 Going of topic.
Orion Eridanus Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.11.27 03:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Motaka Edited by: Motaka on 27/11/2009 03:15:26 Going of topic. You already did in your previous post, might as well continue Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
victortwosix	Posted - 2009.11.27 03:38:00 - [103] Yes, he was wrong for bringing the shotgun in and not calling the police to come pick it up. I myself work at a sheriffs dept in america, and know that an officer would have no problem in going to pick the gun up at the residence, because that is theyre job, not an inconvenience. He shouldnt have touched it at all. Its not hard to understand, not a conspiracy, its protocol for the law. Yes it sucks that the guy is getting a chump charge. But it has nothing to do with the cops having a grudge or being in place for some grand conspiracy. As for american opinions on forum of others gun laws, its really not our place to talk..... We just see more truth to "Red Dawn" than they do....... "WOLVERINES!!!!!"
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.11.27 21:37:00 - [104] Originally by: nahtoh Oh yeah and gun crime went up after the ban BTW, so that worked so fecking well. Yeah, that usually how these laws work, People do stuff, government bans it, now your a criminal. "Gun Crime" goes up. If they banned drinking milk tomorrow, milk crimes would sky rocket from nothing to well a sky rocket. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Irida Mershkov Gallente Black Marsh X	Posted - 2009.11.27 22:19:00 - [105] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 27/11/2009 22:19:47 Originally by: Spoon Thumb Oh, I forgot to mention, since someone brought it up earlier, we've had terrorists in the UK since before the USA was born We didn't need any specific laws for the IRA, but the war on terror is for a separate thread me thinks The Americans were playing the long-game with funding the IRA. Without them we wouldn't know how to combat terror! I like it.


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