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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:40:00 -
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They have the highest damage, but they're also the slowest.
Is that it, the damage is higher? I've been using Hornet IIs, but should I spend the 15 minutes training Gallente Drone Specialization and get some Hobgoblin IIs? The Hornets seem to die very easily.
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N Ano
Caldari
SoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:41:00 -
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I think they are really effective against all rats doing thermal damage. Although I use hornets alot
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:42:00 -
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I only use Hobgoblins (PVE) and Warriors (PVE/PVP). Hornets are semi useless (usually better actual damage with Hobs) and whatever-the-amarr-drone-is-called is simply useless.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:44:00 -
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I see more warriors than hobgoblins in PvP.
For PvE people use them because they don't realize that it's better to use kinetic / explosives against the appropriate rats (but EM drones are still lol).
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Zyress
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:44:00 -
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For typical pve the hobs do more damage and speed isn't such a factor, alot of people seem to like the warrior II's for pvp though, they are the fastest and it appears explosive is a good damage type generally speaking.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Wet Ferret
I see more warriors than hobgoblins in PvP.
Because Warriors are the fastest light drones so they are hard to hit, and they reach targets quickly.
I like to use Warrior II on Sleepers, since when recalled the drones return fast before the Sleepers can destroy them.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.19 00:34:00 -
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All drones are useful except Amarrian non-sentry drones in PVP.
Hobgoblins are great against ABing frigates and such, or when you want to fight cruisers + but lack the drone bay for a set of meds.
Warriors are fast and do decent damage. Self-explanatory; anti-inties
Hornets are excellent; more damage than warriors with almost the same speed.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 02:37:00 -
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It looks better in EFT.
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Doctor Cal'torien
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.19 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
All drones are useful except Amarrian non-sentry drones in PVP.
Amarr's sentries are good?
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Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.19 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
All drones are useful except Amarrian non-sentry drones in PVP.
Amarr's sentries are good?
No... they are short range, small damage, useless... Unless you know you are going to figh particularry against ships which has EM holes... that would be caldaries with shield tanks and no EM hole fixed... But even then... not sure if it is right sentries to go with!
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shazard
Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
All drones are useful except Amarrian non-sentry drones in PVP.
Amarr's sentries are good?
No... they are short range, small damage, useless... Unless you know you are going to figh particularry against ships which has EM holes... that would be caldaries with shield tanks and no EM hole fixed... But even then... not sure if it is right sentries to go with!
nope. Sentries escalate lineraly in tradeof. Ammar ones have longer range than gardes but less damage. and less range /flaoff than bouncers but more damage and tracking.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
It looks better in EFT.
This. EFT only show 'on paper' DPS and a lot of people dont even think about the other drones advantages.
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Jita Chiquita
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:00:00 -
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almost all rats (except angels) are weak to thermal damage (at least their secondary weakness) and hobs got the highest damage modifier
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 19/11/2009 11:03:38
Warrior IIs → The choice for PvP — you'll need the speed.
Hobgoblin IIs → The standard fall-back for PvE — speed isn't particularly relevant.
Hornet IIs → Better for PvE than hobgoblins under specific, narrow circumstances.¹
Acolyte IIs → Useless.
¹ The specific circumstances being against Gurista and Angel rats, but against Angels, the minny drones are better than the Caldari ones anyway, which narrows down their usefulness even further.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 19/11/2009 12:10:59
Originally by: Tippia
¦ The specific circumstances being against Gurista and Angel rats, but against Angels, the minny drones are better than the Caldari ones anyway, which narrows down their usefulness even further.
And Serpentis, and EoM, and Mordu's, and etc (I assume Caldari and Gallente faction ships, if they don't use standard resists, too lazy to check atm). And warriors are better against Angel's.. just barely better than kinetic, which are barely better than therm, ie: not really enough of a difference to worry about.
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kyrv
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:37:00 -
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if you dont go t2 because of cost warrior is a great cheap suppliment 
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
And Serpentis, and EoM, and Mordu's, and etc
Serpentis are iffy – they generally have lower kinetic than thermal resists, but it varies with the ship and many times it's not enough to outweigh the difference in damage modifier. It's rather range that will dictate what you use: for those long-orbit battleships and cruisers, Gardes just won't do it and Hammerheads will take a year or two to get there.
EoM… well yes, ok. But they hardly even exist. 
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Jita Chiquita
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
EoMà well yes, ok. But they hardly even exist.
plus: the difference in killing time betw. hobs and hornets for the 3 frigs in a gone berserk is less than the time you need to switch your drones before you undock
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Glarion Garnier
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:29:00 -
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Accolyte 2's could use a little boost. They dont seem to excel in any aspect.
Warrior II is better in damage, speed and tracking compared to Accolyte II
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Madner Kami
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Madner Kami on 19/11/2009 14:51:55
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Accolyte 2's could use a little boost. They dont seem to excel in any aspect.
Actually they're not that bad, taking all stats into account, they're the about the second best drone-type. They're the second fastest light drones, have the second best tracking and third best HP-amount. What they really only suffer from, is, their horrible damage multiplier.
Quoteing myself from way back (although it was about heavy drones):
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Drone Type (Damage Type): Base Damage*Damage Modifier=Raw Damage -> vs.70%/vs.60%/vs.50%/vs.40% omnitank (both rounded down)
Berserker II (Explosion): 48*1.56=74 -> 22 / 29 / 37 / 44
Ogre II (Thermal): ------ 48*1.92=92 -> 27 / 36 / 46 / 55
Wasp II (Kinetic): ------- 48*1.74=83 -> 24 / 33 / 41 / 49
Praetor II (EM): --------- 48*1.38=66 -> 19 / 26 / 33 / 39(haha)
Don't forget that your skills and ship's bonus will benefit the already powerfull ones even more.
Please pay attention, that most, if not all ships come at least with a 50% resist versus EM, unless they're shield-tanked and then they'll also have at least 40% resist in it anyways.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
It looks better in EFT.
I have thousands of kills under my belt and Hobgoblins simply are better. The only thing they'll have trouble hitting is AF's and Inties, both of which are stopped cold in their tracks by a single medium neut... at which point it doesn't matter if you're using Hobgoblins or Ogres.
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Johann Callasan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
They have the highest damage, but they're also the slowest.
Is that it, the damage is higher? I've been using Hornet IIs, but should I spend the 15 minutes training Gallente Drone Specialization and get some Hobgoblin IIs? The Hornets seem to die very easily.
OVERALL, Hobgoblin IIs are used because thermal is usually a secondary weakness in PvE, and it can be a hassle to keep changing drones. Speed at that level is not a consideration - PvP it can be.
Kinetic and Explosive drones have their uses, EM drones are worthless unless they're Sentries.
That should sum it up, I think.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/11/2009 19:38:58
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Originally by: Marko Riva
It looks better in EFT.
I have thousands of kills under my belt and Hobgoblins simply are better. The only thing they'll have trouble hitting is AF's and Inties, both of which are stopped cold in their tracks by a single medium neut... at which point it doesn't matter if you're using Hobgoblins or Ogres.
Use Warriors
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Smk56
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Posted - 2009.11.19 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/11/2009 19:38:58
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Originally by: Marko Riva
It looks better in EFT.
I have thousands of kills under my belt and Hobgoblins simply are better. The only thing they'll have trouble hitting is AF's and Inties, both of which are stopped cold in their tracks by a single medium neut... at which point it doesn't matter if you're using Hobgoblins or Ogres.
Use Warriors
Gallente drones are better against all t1 ships. Warriors are better for AFs and intys. Unless they're Amarr in which case Hobgoblins are better.
Hobgoblins have twice the amount of hp which helps tonnes against frigs who have to kill your drones first, and a great deal more damage before resists which most tech1 ships lack.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.19 20:42:00 -
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warriors are fastest (and think about what they are usually going after) but hobgobs have the highest dps (as an inty pilot I prefer hobs as getting into range fast isnt a problem)
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