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Gnulpie
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Posted - 2009.11.20 09:23:00 -
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Can we please get a dev in charge who HAS A CLUE about the game??
"Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances."
Capital fight ALWAYS happen at short range!
"In order to allow the XL Turrets to be viable on other ship classes..."
What other ship classes?? Titans?! Get a clue man! No one uses titans when they can do the same damage with 2 or 3 dreads. That is ridiculous!
"Due to the changes made to XL Turrets, Citadel Missiles/Torpedoes and projectile turrets, the Naglfar became an absolute monster."
Enough comments on that in this thread already. Just shows that obviously that dev either cannot understand his own changes or that he is just to lazy and doesn't care about them and makes things up out of the blue.
"The explosion velocity is slightly higher than that of the Citadel Cruise Missiles (or 2250) which means target painters will have to be utilized in many situations to achieve full damage potential."
Target painters do not work on structures, supercapitals or sieged capitals.
"As we said, roles are what matter."
Okay, then tell us what roles you propose for the carrier, dread, mothership and titan. Because I haven't heard A SINGLE word about that so far.
And I don't really want to comment about the fact that we had a nice working solution for those supercapitals thanks to Abathur's good work together with the players. Then suddenly out of the blue Nozh appears, destroys everything, changes everything to the worse and makes everything a complete fail so that a nice part of the expansion must be cancelled (balancing supercapitals). Yeah, great work there Nozh and great game CCP for letting this guy ruin AGAIN (it is not the first time) some interesting stuff. No, I won't comment, I would get only upset.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 09:52:00 -
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The explosion radius of Citadel Cruise Missiles will be set to 1500, which differs from the current 1000 explosion radius of Citadel Torpedoes on Tranquility.
Are you just throwing those numbers together regardless if they make sense with the existing weapon systems? Or is there some deeper meaning?
Because the standard cruise missiles have a smaller explosion radius than the standard torpedos. Same goes with all the other guided vs unguided missiles. They NEVER have a larger explosion radius. Just suddenly those new xl guided missiles have 50% larger explosion radius?
Yeah, makes all so much sense.
Talking about a clear game design compared to just throwing sh!t together in the hope that it will work.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 11:53:00 -
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Hey Nozh, are you going to quickly hack in some target painter that will be able to affect sieged capitals etc.?
Yeah, that would fit into all the other design approaches. No clear design documents, quick and dirty hacks, ignoring player feedback etc. And all only so that 'your' solution can work. How about taking a step back, eh?
There was TONS of player feedback on the test forums, WEEKS of productive work with CCP Abathur who has realy a lot of game experience and there was a solution which finally made everyone happy.
All wiped out by a guy who doesn't even know the most basic game mechanics and has no clue about capital warfare. A guy who bases his 'weapon balancing' around non-existing gameplay.
And CCP doesn't understand that this is outraging?
Oh, and still waiting for some numbers. Or do I need to go to the test server and lookup all the numbers myself? Then I don't need those blogs. The only number in the devblog is that the new siege cruise missile will have 1500 explosive radius. What speed they have? What damage, rof? Fitting properties of siege cruise missile launchers? How about titans? What damage they do? How many hp? Boni? Cooldown of DD? This devblog is total BS talk.
Next time please no completely unnecessary graphs, less nonsense talk and more solid numbers!
I really love Eve and hate it seeing going down like this 
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Gnulpie
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: lord cyrez
so... did you, nozh, or your associates, even run the numbers on this?
dreads shooting dreads while losing at least 20% damage anyway?
is this intended?
Yeah sure it is! Just use target painters on those pos and sieged dreads and voila ... you'll have your full damage. Oh wait ... 
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Bilbo II
Deleting posts is unconstructive
Disagreement is not unconstructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, not both because they are mutually exclusive.
That is, of course, incorrect.
Off topic posts and personal attacks are never constructive and should be deleted, regardless of how much pent up nerd rage you wish to express.
Posts that at least have some relevance are being left in place, which is constructive.
Express your displeasure with some small measure of maturity from now on and quit playing armchair freedom of speech activist.
Of course you are right there.
Gladly enough there is eve-search where most of the deleted posts can be read up. Do so and you will find that a lot of posts are pretty relevant.
Relevant maybe not to this thread, but to the game in general.
Shouldn't that be considered valuable feedback also? |
Gnulpie
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Toman Torax
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,
While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.
Abathur proposed changes to supercarriers. We tested them. WE GAVE YOU FEEDBACK. They seemed perfectly fair and balanced. Your response was to THROW AWAY god only knows how many months of planning on your side, and two months of testing and feedback from the players.
Now, even after all of that, we again try to offer you feedback, and ideas and solutions, and your response is to COMPLETELY IGNORE IT - and even worse, let someone who CLEARLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND how capital ships work to puke all over this thread with nonsensical spreadsheet data.
CCP, seriously... HOW DO YOU EXPECT US TO RESPOND?
Deleting posts left and right that you arbitrarily deem "inappropriate" is NOT helping your cause.
You are causing a SOE NGE catastrophe all over again, and you can't even see it.
Can you PLEASE get someone COMPETENT who UNDERSTANDS the way capital ships actually work to get back on these issues once again. Someone like... ABATHUR maybe?
I can only agree here.
What are we supposed to do? After testing weeks and months those things on the test server they get discared from a total stranger (well not so strange for those who know that guy  ) who just walked in. And from that point everything pretty fast went complete bonkers.
How and WHY should we ever do some testing on test server again and give feedback and do work - yes it IS work! - for you if all we get is the finger and not even TWO replies from the devs after thousands of posts?
What else should we do than demanding answers and expressing our feelings??? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zy'or Tealon
Originally by: Hrin
Edited by: Hrin on 20/11/2009 21:52:47
Stop hating Nozh, he is a real person with feelings and you guys are hurting them 
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Hey I've tried to help Nozh out back in post 867...
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You mean post 267? 
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
First, I’d like to say that a single developer cannot come in and unilaterally change everything with no oversight ... We work as a team and agree on the direction things are taking.
Yay for Hammerhead!
Thanks for the reply. Late maybe but not too late.
However, if these capital changes are the result of teamwork, how does it come that no one noticed that strange role of target painters is going to play for those new balanced capital weapons? Target painting sieged dreads, seriously teamwork?
And how can I understand that titans have no clear role and are still changes, yet moms don't get changed because they have no clear role?
And what about instapopping moms now by 2-3 titans? That cannot be right either, even not for a temporary solution!
So, the supercarriers didn't make it in because they were overpowered? Well ... communicating this to the players was a pretty big failure I hope you will implement Abathurs original concept and tone down the effectiveness of remote reps on moms, then they should be really fine. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mihali
The days testing on Sisi & the feedback threads on this forum is all for nothing is what's making people mad. We finally thought "Hey, CCP finally wants us to have some input" & then do nothing. Then one of the game designers embarrasses himself about not knowing about simple game mechanics any newb in 0.0 gets taught. Heck even empire dwellers know that little piece of information.
You guys really do need better PR people or at least someone who knows what they are talking about.
And to make it worse it was not just one noob-dev but a WHOLE TEAM of devs! At least according to Hammerhead.
So, not only a single dev do not know the most basic mechanics and gameplay of capitals but a whole team of devs are completely ingnorant of gameplay in Eve.
And yet, even with those huge gaping hole of missing knowledge the still delete posts and just discards weeks and months of valuable feedback.
Feedback that the devs never could produce themselves because the - obviously - have no clue about their own game and how it is played!
Waaaaaaay to go!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.21 20:38:00 -
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Over the mothership and censorship drama let us not forget the capital weapon changes.
Can please any competent dev respond on the target painter stuff? What nonsense is that capital weapons cannot hit SIEGED capitals or pos towers for full damage?
And if you post dps graphs, can you please post the dps under REALISTIC conditions, that is standard t2 fit, fleet boni etc.?
And PLEASE can you give us some NUMBERS?!??!?! For **** sake, don't write articles about stuff that no one is interested in (like motherships with 5 dcu and 3 target painters and 20 fighter bombers, that wont happen anyway so what is the point in making up those numbers?!) but give us NUMBERS!!!
A list of the new weapon stats please. ALL of the (relevant) stats!
You are one week away from release, you want to tell me that you do not have the numbers ready? Otherwise it would be pure maliciousness not giving us the numbers. Oh, and how did you make up those pretty graphs without numbers? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 21/11/2009 20:51:33
Originally by: Honest Smedley
In the form everyone liked, they were too powerful
What he said was they had the "potential" to be overpowered...
Why?
I mean, why was there a potential that they would be overpowered?
Were they afraid of a mothership blob?
Were the afraid of nearly invincible solo motherships?
What exactly was the problem? "They had the potential to be overpowered" is really just bs PR talk. EVERY significant ship has the potential to be overpowered if you make blobs of them.
So what? You identify exactly the problems in a detailed analysis and tackle them then.
But seriously, what can we expect from a team of devs who do not even know how capital warfare is done and how the game mechanic around capitals is working? Can we really expect some INSIGHT into the problems and can we hope for SOLUTIONS?
I wish we could. Please restore my faith again (won't be that easy though) with competent devblogs and reasonable replies and just with people who know their business and are professionals. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 21/11/2009 21:38:36
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Originally by: Gnulpie
Why?
I'm assuming they were afraid of SC + titan fleet blobs from the major alliances steamrolling everyone else.
Yeah but that is exactly what I mean. We are just assuming things and poking in the mist for answers.
It couldn't be really that difficult to just point out the facts, could it?
If they say that a blob of titans + sc has really no counter and is the i-win, then okay: say so, show the numbers and everyone will see and understand. No problem, everyone fine with that (well almost everyone since there will be always people unhappy with something but that doesn't really matter here).
But maybe it was some other reason? Maybe not? Who knows?
How can we give any valuable feedback at all without knowing anything? It needed thousands of posts and a real outcry on the forums before Hammerhead said that the changes were cancelled because the devs felt it was possibly to powerful. And that after WEEKS of questions about the sudden and totally abrupt scrapping of all work on caps + supercaps so far.
How can we give any valuable feedback if CCP is not talking to us in a clear, transparent and professional manner? And if those changes were really so bad, why couldn't Abathur just say so at the end of the long feedback period? Everyone would have been sad, maybe upset a bit also, but most people would have understood it.
How can we give any valuable feedback if the devs in charge just saying nothing at all, make assumptions which are completely out of the scale and have nothing to do with the game and just hide behind some irreal graphs otherwise.
How can we give any valuable feedback under such circumstances?
That is what worries me most here. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.23 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 23/11/2009 08:22:40
So, let's see ...
Weeks and months of feedback from the test server, a really good pack of carriers, supercarriers and titans together with capital weapons, fighters and fighter bombers achieved. Then CCP suddenly thinks 'oh my oh my ... overpowered if they use it as remote repair blob' and then they say 'uh oh, no good, let us cancel ALL achivements' after 2 weeks of nonsens fiddelling around (docking moms, everyone? lol). So why not doing the first best thing and reduce remote rep capabilities on those supercarriers if you fear a rr blob?
Instead all capital weapon systems get changed under assumptions which are all invalid (long range cap battles, target painting etc.) and the motherhsip is reverted but the titan changes go through. Hello? Anyone there??
And what is going on here anyway?
Thousands of really worried and upset player posts pointing out over and over again what is wrong with these changes and what we got? 1 irreal reply from nozh (and his team?) and one off-topic damage control post from hammerhead. That's all?
So I ask again and will ask again and again: WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS???
Can we please, PLEASE have some NUMBERS? All stats and values of those new weapons and ammo. And please no more graphs, just the weapons and the numbers. And the ships and changes in boni.
A final note on the naglfar. It was said that the nag would have been a monster if unchanged. So what? The dps would have been a bit more than the average dread but still it would have had the weakest tank by far! Trading dps for tank seems only totally in order.
You just can't pick ONE property of the ship (dps) and ignore all other properties (tank, fitting, skills etc.)
And anyway, there was totally no NEED for ANY changes on the caps. The only reason why some changes was necessary was the titan and its weapons, but they are a joke anyway - doing as much damage as a dread but costs 50 times more?
And the current motherhsip are uhm ... yeah ... single shot pop. That can't be right, under no circumstances.
So my suggestion: cancel ALL changes to the caps and supercapitals.
Then work out the remote rep stuff for the moms so that there won't be invincible mothership rr blobs and there you are!
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