Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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What becomes of the Nag's bonuses?

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Originally by: The Slayer

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apparently this is no longer eveonline.com it is now lokta.org. How about having a discussion about stuff instead of just deleting posts CCP?

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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Nozh: Does marketing know that you're ****ing up all their good work with your terrible posting?

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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any word on the naglfar returning to prehistoric ****tyness?

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.

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Originally by: Baaldor

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This would not be a "Hot Topic" if CCP actually had someone working on these changes that had the slightest clue on what they are talking about.

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Originally by: Brynn Aeon

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/me checks calendar, sees its not April first.


I have this mental image of Abathur sitting in his office, feet on his desk, arms behind his head, with a giant banner running wall to wall behind him.

On that banner are the words:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

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Originally by: Ralph42nd

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.

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Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.

Oh dear if only EVERY other company in the world could get away with silencing their unhappy customers, oh wait ... no they can't.

Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.

If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.

You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?

Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?

All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?

This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.

Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.

And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.

TDLR : Fire Nozh, 'splain yourselves, STFU about people being ****ed off.

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Originally by: Hk93g3

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CCP is the new Sony? EVE is the new SWG? C/D?

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Originally by: Sebastian Su

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To which almost every MMO in history has responded, "Oh yeah? Prove it." See post 542.

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Originally by: Trazis

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Will citadel cruise missiles require training of cruise missiles to 5 to use?

This would be a pretty bad move on ccp's part imo as the nag already is the most skill intensive, slapping another 30 day train time on there really doesn't seem fair. Now nag pilots have to train 60+ days more minimum then moros/rev pilots do...

I'm assuming, and going out on a limb here that ccp knows you can't target paint towers sieged dreads or supercaps. So assuming they have some sort of bonus to the phonix/nag where they can get a special bonus allowing them to tp the un-tp'able in the works that leads me to a question.

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Originally by: Kalexander

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Come on lets be honest, plenty of these dev blogs contain posts by some of the people even posting in here saying "Please dont do this yet, wait and do it right". Now here they are, taking a feature and actually doing what some of us suggested and we flame the **** out of them for it?

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Originally by: Catari Taga

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Wow, 45 posts deleted alone while I was reading the last page. Yet the thread is still growing. At least Nozh is creating jobs for forum mods.

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Originally by: New ones

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Lol another page gone


eve-serch.com has all the post's


http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1217073/page/40

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Originally by: Vincent Gaines

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heya noah



I listened, did you?

You say you read the responses, but haven't addressed them. Why were the changes suggested to the Phoenix ignored? Why was the Nag rolled back to useless?

Why do you feel the supercaps were overpowered? overpowered, what the couple hundred of them? It's not like you're redefining a battleship, it's a ship that a very small percentage can get in.


You didn't make the mom overpowered, you gave it a purpose. You made it a cap killer. That is a shiptype the game has been lacking for years. You made it the combat flagship, and the titan was again the "oh crap" ship.


how was the previous iteration of the SC overpowered? And if so, in my opinion it would have been better to let Seleene's change go onto TQ and had "nerf SCs!" threads. You would have at least made a diffference, a baseline to work with in a live environment.

You could then re-evaluate the situation and make changes based upon how they end up actually used in game.

instead, you are trying to start over. beyond the obvious frustrations you're giving long term player by essentially taking away their shiny new xmas toys, you're also going to come across the same challenges when you try to change them again.

Stop trying to assign a role for the ship, when the actual pilots have told you what they want to do. and they have done it in unison.

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Originally by: Undertow Latheus

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Oh yeah, and regarding noah's post, it really only addresses moms. Whilst that is a huge part of the playerbase's frustration, you fail to mention any of the other things that people have been screaming about.

Exactly how is instapopping a dread every ten minutes significant in a large cap fight? It will only conceivably be useful for hit and runs on lone caps on stations and such. I thought we were trying to get away from those tactics?

Why does the Phoenix, already considered to be by a fairly large margin the worst dread, getting nerfed in the form of ludicrously high explosion radius? I'm sorry, but it's just stupid on epic proportions that it will do less than 1/2 damage on a small tower, and only about 50-80% damage (depending on if there is a ragnarok or claymore in enemy gang) on its primary target, sieged dreads.

Why is the Naglfar getting a stealth nerf? Ever since the nag has existed up until a few months ago, it was considered by everyone in the game to be absolute garbage, with its only merit that its 'FREAKIN VERTICAL'. CCP finally listened to the hordes of upset minmatar pilots screaming for balance and made it useful with two 7.5% dps bonuses to turrets and one more mid slot, making it possible to have a respectable shield tank. Now after just a few months of it being decent, you stealth nerf its skill bonuses without saying anything about it, even when questioned. It's not just frustrating that its getting nerfed, but that we have no clue WHY you're doing it. Talk to us FFS.

Short range XL weapon balance. Or lack thereof. First, we've already established that citadel torpedoes are complete garbage thanks to their explosion radius. Now on to the turrets. In the devblog such ridiculous comments were made such as "While the 6x2500mm Repeating artillery might look poor, the fact that it doesn't consume any capacitor must be taken into consideration. With a single Gyrostabilizer it overtakes the Ion Siege blaster in damage and has excellent falloff."

What??? And with 3 gyros a tempest will do as much damage as a megathron without any magstabs. Therefore, Tempest and large AC's do as much damage as large blasters. Furthermore, the range on autocannons is just abysmal. It says that AC's have a range bonus of falloff, but ccp/nozh seems to pretend that a revelation or moros wont simply switch to longer range ammo and be doing MORE dps, IN OPTIMAL than the AC's. Real nice. The same holds true with artillery -- The graph shows that artillery has more dps at range thanks to its falloff, but the graph only shows when using short range ammo. In reality, the revelation or moros wont just sit there missing with short range ammo while the arty does more dps in falloff, they'll just once again load long range ammo and completely slaughter the artillery in every way.

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Originally by: mwarp out

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Also make it so that Motherships can not dock if they have a PeeVeePee timer (they have been shot, agressed them selves or tried to warp out of a bubble in the last 15 min, like the logout thing) to fix the undock-games issue.

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Originally by: Stratio

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47 pages of replies in just over 24h, I think that says a lot about the strength of feeling.

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Originally by: Tarron Sarek

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I would delete your post simply because of that.

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Originally by: Kraken Kill

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Ok checked out the changes on Sisi- From what ive heard the fighter bombers still need target painting to do damage.
The Phoenix still sufferes massively with the explo radius of cruise and torps requiring target painting..........
The nag is still nerfed to the stoneage.
The titan is still ineffective other than to jump bridge.

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