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Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.11.20 07:23:00 - [1] There is no word about our prommised new subsystems in Dominion? Anyone of you who can enlighten me? thanks www.garia.net
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.11.20 08:26:00 - [2] Why add new sybsystems? T3 ships are already the all-purpose cruisers that you can switch between hac/recon/cov ops. Everybody knows those are the only important roles in eve. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Jojo Jackson	Posted - 2009.11.20 08:37:00 - [3] Still missing: - Mining / Gas Havest Sub (offens with 5 turrets and bonus for both. Gas and Ore) - Transport Sub (bigger cargos) - some other profession I just forgot ;)
Peryner University of Caille	Posted - 2009.11.20 09:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Why add new sybsystems? T3 ships are already the all-purpose cruisers that you can switch between hac/recon/cov ops. Everybody knows those are the only important roles in eve. because they modeled them allready? comeon ccp, just make stuff for mining gas and other things like probing and maybe even cargo hold? Make them great explorers for wormhole. Coould make a mining remote rep cruiser. They have the art assets done, they just need to follow through. not that my ideas are good, but still.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Why add new sybsystems? T3 ships are already the all-purpose cruisers that you can switch between hac/recon/cov ops. Everybody knows those are the only important roles in eve. all-purpose, but I can think only of 1 to 2 roles where T3 cruiser don't really suck that much (more with the tengu, big shiny paperweight role only for the legion). --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion.	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:48:00 - [6] Edited by: Winters Chill on 20/11/2009 11:49:16 with reference to the legion I can confirm that:- a) Tech 3 cruisers aren't that great. ("is this it" :/ was my reaction) b) To your typical bank balance, Tech 3 cruisers aren't worth the money... Or the loss penalty. c) The Legion has fitting issues. d) While supposedly versatile the lack of a vanilla drone bay across tech 3 ships hobbles them. e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. f) If tech level is a scale of power (its often regarded this way) tech 3 doesn't exist. Strategic cruisers sit somewhere between faction cruisers and a non optimized general fit tech 2 combat cruisers.
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 20/11/2009 11:49:16 with reference to the legion I can confirm that:- a) Tech 3 cruisers aren't that great. ("is this it" :/ was my reaction) b) To your typical bank balance, Tech 3 cruisers aren't worth the money... Or the loss penalty. c) The Legion has fitting issues. d) While supposedly versatile the lack of a vanilla drone bay across tech 3 ships hobbles them. e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. f) If tech level is a scale of power (its often regarded this way) tech 3 doesn't exist. Strategic cruisers sit somewhere between faction cruisers and a non optimized general fit tech 2 combat cruisers. Tengu outdoes the Tank and damage of the nighthawk and same goes for the Cerberus Make the Beership a reality!
Shade Millith International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Shade Millith on 20/11/2009 11:53:40 Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 20/11/2009 11:49:16 with reference to the legion I can confirm that:- a) Tech 3 cruisers aren't that great. ("is this it" :/ was my reaction) b) To your typical bank balance, Tech 3 cruisers aren't worth the money... Or the loss penalty. c) The Legion has fitting issues. d) While supposedly versatile the lack of a vanilla drone bay across tech 3 ships hobbles them. e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. f) If tech level is a scale of power (its often regarded this way) tech 3 doesn't exist. Strategic cruisers sit somewhere between faction cruisers and a non optimized general fit tech 2 combat cruisers. The legion is reputed to be the worst of the T3. General consenses is Tengu > Proteus >>>> Loki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legion I can confirm the Tengu is an absolute beast for both PVP and PVE --------------------------------------------

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arbiter reformed Minmatar Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:05:00 - [10] i never thought they were supposed to be versetile, specialised not versetile. only versetile in the sense that you can specialise them lol. either way nighthawk outdamages the tengu cos of drones and the exp velcity bonus, but the tengu has obvious tank and cruiser related advantages. and yeh more subs pls Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:19:00 - [11] [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst does 689 DPS and tanks 1625 against guristas where as this setup [Nighthawk, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 does 673 dps and tanks 743 dps. You can drop the calefaction catalyst for a second purger giving you these stats 657 dps and 928 dps tank. not to mention the difference in speed between the two, 661 on tengu and 424 on the nighthawk. you can drop the ab and power diagnostic and put a second spr and invuln giving you 1341 dps tank but only 175m/s Make the Beership a reality!
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Garia666 There is no word about our prommised new subsystems in Dominion? Anyone of you who can enlighten me? thanks Rejoice, CCP Nozh is on it. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Braitai Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:53:00 - [13] Excuse this little bit of EFT warrioring... [Legion, Buffer HAM] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization All V's - 526 DPS 137922 EHP 34933 armour 1247 m/s 557 Scan res Aligns like a PIG (13.9 with mwd on 10.9 without) Interesting I thought.
Forranz Malice. Tentative Nature	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:24:00 - [14] I rather like the Legion. It can solo Class 3 wormholes.. (so can the Tengu)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Forranz I rather like the Legion. It can solo Class 3 wormholes.. (so can the Tengu) So can my PVP buffer Drake. Its no big deal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Winters Chill e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/28306-Legion-Wormhole-C3-maybe-C4.html Name 1 t2 ship that is better than the legion for this purpose. -- The future is black.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:42:00 - [17] I think CCP are still trying to figure out subsystems for them that both: 1) Don't suck (like Gas mining) 2) Aren't ******ed overpowered (like Stardrives)
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Garia666 There is no word about our prommised new subsystems in Dominion? Anyone of you who can enlighten me? thanks Rejoice, CCP Nozh is on it. Ooh nice.. you have a linky? or any refrence? www.garia.net
Aurorae Andromedae	Posted - 2009.11.20 18:11:00 - [19] They planned to release 5 subsystems, now they have released just four of them.
Sexonarocka	Posted - 2009.11.20 18:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 20/11/2009 11:53:40 Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 20/11/2009 11:49:16 with reference to the legion I can confirm that:- a) Tech 3 cruisers aren't that great. ("is this it" :/ was my reaction) b) To your typical bank balance, Tech 3 cruisers aren't worth the money... Or the loss penalty. c) The Legion has fitting issues. d) While supposedly versatile the lack of a vanilla drone bay across tech 3 ships hobbles them. e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. f) If tech level is a scale of power (its often regarded this way) tech 3 doesn't exist. Strategic cruisers sit somewhere between faction cruisers and a non optimized general fit tech 2 combat cruisers. The legion is reputed to be the worst of the T3. General consenses is Tengu > Proteus >>>> Loki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legion I can confirm the Tengu is an absolute beast for both PVP and PVE Yep have to agree. Legion needs to be fixed!
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.20 18:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 20/11/2009 11:53:40 Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 20/11/2009 11:49:16 with reference to the legion I can confirm that:- a) Tech 3 cruisers aren't that great. ("is this it" :/ was my reaction) b) To your typical bank balance, Tech 3 cruisers aren't worth the money... Or the loss penalty. c) The Legion has fitting issues. d) While supposedly versatile the lack of a vanilla drone bay across tech 3 ships hobbles them. e) For every role you can lego into the legion there is a tech 2 ship that does it better. f) If tech level is a scale of power (its often regarded this way) tech 3 doesn't exist. Strategic cruisers sit somewhere between faction cruisers and a non optimized general fit tech 2 combat cruisers. The legion is reputed to be the worst of the T3. General consenses is Tengu > Proteus >>>> Loki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legion I can confirm the Tengu is an absolute beast for both PVP and PVE only thing the tengu can't and the proteus can do quite well is being a combat probing cloaker with damage. best setup I managed with the tengu can do pretty much anything xcept damage. beyond that the proteus is rather meh. the loki could be nice after dominion since it will be able to dish out an even bigger alpha than a muninn, but then again, why spend 6x more for just one more turret worth of alpha? other role for the loki is a nimble gang mod ship, since it has larger bonuses. as for the legion? lolship is lol. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Shade Millith International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:31:00 - [22] Edited by: Shade Millith on 20/11/2009 21:31:50 Originally by: Sexonarocka Yep have to agree. Legion needs to be fixed! Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but I was just giving the (seemingly) general consenses. I've personally only used the tengu --------------------------------------------
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Garia666 Ooh nice.. you have a linky? or any refrence? That statement was meant to scare you, I believe.
DS S	Posted - 2009.11.22 20:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Shade Millith General consenses is Tengu > Proteus >>>> Loki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legion I can confirm the Tengu is an absolute beast for both PVP and PVE Not exactally true. my friend is using a loki setup (active shield tank) that has a better tank then the tengu. 348 hp/s shield with 50/89/88/78 resists and will outtank any tengu he has fitted. only problem is that in lvl 5's theres neut towers and he has to have someone giving him cap transfer.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.11.23 00:59:00 - [25] personally id like to see a sub system that reduces the dmg of smartbombs but greatly increases the range(also do something about smartbombs not hitting gates with that sub) like a med t2 smartbomb doing like 25dmg over 249km also a sub system that allows you to probe out cloakers down to a grid area not directly on them but with in 249km of them also a small star drive would be cool something that just goes 1 system away and lands you at 0 on the star imo not too over powered but it would help take care of the afk cloakers and the star drive for empire wars would be cool
Fulbert Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.23 01:34:00 - [26] Originally by: RiotRick - Something that could break a cloak - Ability to "Black Ops" your ship, by removing it from local in k-space Forget any gadget for Strategic Cruiser that wouldn't implemented for any other ship. Interdiction Nullifier was the big mistake about Tech III cruisers, since it definitely transformed T3C into a solo-farm-machine. Let's see what has been done as "mimicry" (i'm using the names of Proteus subsystems, sorry): - Force Recons -> Covert Reconfiguration (OFF), and every race has an EW-oriented electronic subsystem, boosting ECM, scramblers... - Command Ships -> Warfare Processor (DEF) - Logistics -> Adaptive Augmenter (DEF - but very weak bonus compared to Logistic cruisers) - "Marauder-like" -> Emergent Locus Analyzer (ELEC). Actually a whole new role, since no T2 cruiser variant has such scanner bonuses... not even Recon ships! So what special roles aren't implemented yet? - Interdiction spheres launcher - Cynosural Field generator bonus (special electronic subsystem?) - ... Transport? My ideas : - Defensive and Offensive Faction Subsystems to use "cross-faction" weaponry or tanking setup. I.e : "Proteus Offensive - Guardian Angel's Compact Missile Bay", giving Proteus launcher hardpoints. - Propulsion Subsystem giving an inherent +5 warpstrength (+1 per xxx Propulsion skill level), and one lowslot. An alternative for Interdiction Nullifier, especially for lowsec zones. - Electronic Subsystem giving bonuses to "friendly" Ewar : remote boosters, target painters, tracking links... -------------------------------- Fulbert. Miner - Industrialist
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.11.23 05:46:00 - [27] Niches to fill: Minning Bubble -um can't think of any other. It would be nice if there was a second logistic that gave range. Maybe some subsystems that unlock off race tank/weapons? Maybe a stardrive but thats not really called for, somewhat op, and we already have BOps. Considering the price of t3 and BOps hauling one around with your t3 fleet isn't unreasonable. Smartbomb range bonus or some other subsystem that would make cloakies have heart attacks. Bomb launcher ftw.
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.23 09:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Omar Khayyam on 23/11/2009 09:04:46 there are always some ship X doing some things better than ship Y but i dont think this is all about doing "things" better. this comparison is like "ferrari is a cool car but, you can use a honda.it has 1/100 price tag and it can also take you wherever you want to." but at the end, if you have money, you are not going to buy 100 hondas, you are going to buy a ferrari. ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :)
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.23 09:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Omar Khayyam Edited by: Omar Khayyam on 23/11/2009 09:04:46 there are always some ship X doing some things better than ship Y but i dont think this is all about doing "things" better. this comparison is like "ferrari is a cool car but, you can use a honda.it has 1/100 price tag and it can also take you wherever you want to." but at the end, if you have money, you are not going to buy 100 hondas, you are going to buy a ferrari. But the T3 ships are the ferraris that can take you anywhere Make the Beership a reality!
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.23 11:53:00 - [30] Originally by: N Ano But the T3 ships are the ferraris that can take you anywhere thats what i am trying to tell... i am sick of posts like "t3 ships are useless, 'X' can do the same thing with less money." ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :)

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