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Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:17:00 - [1] - Quote http://eveboard.com/pilot/Talatheen Support Skills Cloaking IV Cynosural Field Theory V Electronics V Electronics Upgrades V Long Range Targeting V Multitasking III Signature Analysis V Targeting V Energy Grid Upgrades V Energy Management V Energy Systems Operation V Engineering V Shield Operation V Shield Management V Mechanic V Hull Upgrades V Repair Systems V All Armour Comps V Ship Skills Amarr Battleship V Amarr Cruiser V Amarr Frigate V Amarr Strategic Cruiser V (which is awesome when combined with...) All Legion Subsystems V Assault Ships IV Battlecruisers V Covert Ops V Gallente Frigate V Spaceship Command V Logistics I Recon Ships I Guns Perfect laser skills (no really) Small, Medium and Large lasers, all t2, both pulse and beam Every single gunnery support at V Weapon Upgrades and Advanced Weapon Upgrades both V Specialisations all IV or better Mining Mining Barge V Exhumers V 5m SP in mining skills, appears well allocated but I'm not sure what they actually do Bonus Cybernetics V Basic probing skills 4,072,425 unallocated SP Set of +3 implants and 5% ice harvesting implant Two bonus remaps and annual remap due this month Character is docked in Jita, wallet is positive, all CCP rules will be followed, no negative standings for any faction. Price for this toon is 18b. This is a WTS, not a WTA. This character has a lot of prepaid game time on it and will spend the next two months rounding out spaceship command skills with hac/recon/logi unless someone buys it out early. It'll cost me nothing to keep it training and the value is only going to increase, it is listed here on the offchance someone wants it badly enough to pay me to write off that game time but I am in absolutely no hurry. Contact for this toon is X ATM092 (send him mails) or posting in this topic. Mails sent to this toon will probably not get read. Discussion of the toon/price/skills are welcome as free bumps but this is not an auction and the price remains 18b. Thank you.
Dax Antrim Galactic Miners And Transports 1	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:26:00 - [2] - Quote Good luck getting 18b. It's not a focused pvp toon, and even a focused PVP toon with that much SP would only bring around 15.
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:32:00 - [3] - Quote I think you misjudge the value of unallocated SP sir. This toon has amazing generic support skills and an Amarr spaceship command/gunnery foundation that could propel it into any ship. You could instantly turn this toon into an amazing archon/revelation/crosstrained/anything else you want. If you have a vision of your perfect Amarr toon then there is a good chance that this highly customisable toon can become it. Either way, thank you for the free bump.
Dax Antrim Galactic Miners And Transports 1	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:41:00 - [4] - Quote That as it may be, it has 4m SP free, which brings the total to 45m SP, however 5-6m of that is wasted in industry, and a further 2m in mining barge/exhumers. A completely focused 45m SP PVP toon is worth around 15b. Yours has 39m in PVP related abilities, therefore is worth slightly less than 15b as a combat pilot. I would drop your price by 2-3b if you expect any real offers.
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote I think you misjudge the value of unallocated SP sir. You are valuing them as if they are already spent. They are not.
La filleDeService Chika Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:51:00 - [6] - Quote Good evening, The price is too high, estimated at 15b maximum for me. My personal opinion. Good Sale
Dax Antrim Galactic Miners And Transports 1	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:55:00 - [7] - Quote Talatheen wrote: I think you misjudge the value of unallocated SP sir. You are valuing them as if they are already spent. They are not. Been trading toons on this forum for a very long time. Just offering some friendly advice. It's over-priced, unallocated SP aside, ~15b is the value even if that unallocated SP was in PVP.
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 22:58:00 - [8] - Quote Dax Antrim wrote: Talatheen wrote: I think you misjudge the value of unallocated SP sir. You are valuing them as if they are already spent. They are not. Been trading toons on this forum for a very long time. Just offering some friendly advice. It's over-priced, unallocated SP aside, ~15b is the value even if that unallocated SP was in PVP. I welcome your opinion and the free bumps that come with it but I respectfully disagree. As for your appeal to authority in "been trading toons on this forum for a very long time", I also am a bazaar regular and consider myself to be more knowledgeable about what toons go for than most, I stand by my valuation.
Frostbender The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.06.15 23:09:00 - [9] - Quote 15b if you wanna sell it right now :) i agree with the others... not worth 18 even with 4m free sp to place anywhere the buyer wants to :) 40m sp = 10-12b 4m unallocated = 3b or so
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 23:12:00 - [10] - Quote I disagree sir.
dudz Navi PunchLine. The Imperial Senate 0	Posted - 2012.06.15 23:19:00 - [11] - Quote this toon is worth 18 bill and i agree the value of unallocated SP is alot more than st SP good luck with your sale
De Guillaume Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda 274	Posted - 2012.06.16 00:23:00 - [12] - Quote Talatheen wrote: Dax Antrim wrote: Talatheen wrote: I think you misjudge the value of unallocated SP sir. You are valuing them as if they are already spent. They are not. Been trading toons on this forum for a very long time. Just offering some friendly advice. It's over-priced, unallocated SP aside, ~15b is the value even if that unallocated SP was in PVP. I welcome your opinion and the free bumps that come with it but I respectfully disagree. As for your appeal to authority in "been trading toons on this forum for a very long time", I also am a bazaar regular and consider myself to be more knowledgeable about what toons go for than most, I stand by my valuation. Good day sir Don't steal my crown of toon valuation. I know better than all of u. 4m free sp is always great but as soon as its spent. The toon is worth less than 18b. This toon is for someone who won't use the free sp, I increase the skills by another 20m sp then it becomes worthwhile as it is, 18b is pushing it really far , I would even say 15b is right up there Ur basically valuing those sp only if someone doesn't use it. which then makes ur toon really crap if someone just spent 18b on it When u consider what they can get right now with 18b, a pure pop char without ur Indy Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?
Shova'k Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.06.16 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote nice char mate just ignore the trolls and report it to a GM they will come and clean the thread of conversations. there are rules agaist convo in sale threads if u dont like it dont post simple as that. good luck with ur sale mate.
Tachidii The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.16 00:46:00 - [14] - Quote I thought you were going to tidy her up first https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1456169#post1456169
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 00:59:00 - [15] - Quote Tachidii wrote: I thought you were going to tidy her up first https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1456169#post1456169 Yes, and if you read the topic here you will see my intention to keep training skills and making use of the game time on the account right up until someone offers me the isk. I am listing it here in its untidied state simply in case anyone would like to purchase it as it is. Regarding the debate on the price, I'm okay with it but I will not be swayed by it. I think I know better but I don't see the need for GMs to clean the topic up. The price will remain the price.
De Guillaume Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda 274	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?
Tachidii The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:06:00 - [17] - Quote Talatheen wrote: Tachidii wrote: I thought you were going to tidy her up first https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1456169#post1456169 Yes, and if you read the topic here you will see my intention to keep training skills and making use of the game time on the account right up until someone offers me the isk. I am listing it here in its untidied state simply in case anyone would like to purchase it as it is. Regarding the debate on the price, I'm okay with it but I will not be swayed by it. I think I know better but I don't see the need for GMs to clean the topic up. The price will remain the price. So tidy her up and I will buy her for 18bil. Can I mail you my skill que to follow until she is tidy enough?
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:08:00 - [18] - Quote De Guillaume wrote: Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Sir, you appear to not understand capitalism. You see, when one party has an illiquid asset that they wish to liquidate and another party has liquidity that they wish to invest then the value of that asset is depressed. Unless the seller can immediately find someone who wants his exact toon and wishes to pay 'full price' for it (or ideally two people who want it and will try to outbid) then it cannot possibly achieve its potential value. Rather than simply be unable to liquidate the asset they can, at this point, seek a third party to invest in it. That third party acts as a middle man, giving the seller immediate liquidity and tying up his capital in the asset in order to resell it for its greater value after some time. This is done without misleading or scamming anyone, it is a service that the seller happily accepts and which acts to increase the sell price of toons and decrease the buy price of toons through competition. It is middle men and the profit incentive that make markets work. Your kneeling down to me in this case is entirely appropriate and to be honest I think recognition of the service I provide the character bazaar with is long overdue.
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:09:00 - [19] - Quote Tachidii wrote: Talatheen wrote: Tachidii wrote: I thought you were going to tidy her up first https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1456169#post1456169 Yes, and if you read the topic here you will see my intention to keep training skills and making use of the game time on the account right up until someone offers me the isk. I am listing it here in its untidied state simply in case anyone would like to purchase it as it is. Regarding the debate on the price, I'm okay with it but I will not be swayed by it. I think I know better but I don't see the need for GMs to clean the topic up. The price will remain the price. So tidy her up and I will buy her for 18bil. Can I mail you my skill que to follow until she is tidy enough? Feel free. That said, without a firm commitment to buy (and none such can be really offered in eve) I won't do more than take it under consideration.
Tachidii The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:10:00 - [20] - Quote Talatheen wrote: De Guillaume wrote: Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Your kneeling down to me in this case is entirely appropriate and to be honest I think recognition of the service I provide the character bazaar with is long overdue. Are you serious?!
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:13:00 - [21] - Quote Tachidii wrote: Talatheen wrote: De Guillaume wrote: Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Your kneeling down to me in this case is entirely appropriate and to be honest I think recognition of the service I provide the character bazaar with is long overdue. Are you serious?! Without middle men the market on the bazaar would be more laughably inefficient than it already is. The only reason people can achieve a fraction of the value their toons could hypothetically achieve with any degree of reliability is because of a small group of individuals who buy to resell and bid against each other when the value is really low. Relying upon chance to throw a toon a pair of rival bidders who both want it, both know its value and both can afford it is a really, really bad system for ensuring that things don't undersell massively. We make this market efficient.
Tachidii The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:19:00 - [22] - Quote Talatheen wrote: Tachidii wrote: Talatheen wrote: De Guillaume wrote: Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Your kneeling down to me in this case is entirely appropriate and to be honest I think recognition of the service I provide the character bazaar with is long overdue. Are you serious?! Without middle men the market on the bazaar would be more laughably inefficient than it already is. The only reason people can achieve a fraction of the value their toons could hypothetically achieve with any degree of reliability is because of a small group of individuals who buy to resell and bid against each other when the value is really low. Relying upon chance to throw a toon a pair of rival bidders who both want it, both know its value and both can afford it is a really, really bad system for ensuring that things don't undersell massively. We make this market efficient. People like you are the reason why characters are way overpriced on these forums. You are only in it for profit, no other reason. You provide no service, you only look to service your wallet!
De Guillaume Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda 274	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:20:00 - [23] - Quote Don't get mad bro becuase u can't afford to do it. It's a business like when someone builds a ship and overpriced it in 00 Deal with it Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:25:00 - [24] - Quote Tachidii wrote: Talatheen wrote: Tachidii wrote: Talatheen wrote: De Guillaume wrote: Hahahah now I know why it's so god dam over priced. I must kneel down to the greater char seller. This guy some how buys toons, adds 10b overnight and claims it a fair market price. Your kneeling down to me in this case is entirely appropriate and to be honest I think recognition of the service I provide the character bazaar with is long overdue. Are you serious?! Without middle men the market on the bazaar would be more laughably inefficient than it already is. The only reason people can achieve a fraction of the value their toons could hypothetically achieve with any degree of reliability is because of a small group of individuals who buy to resell and bid against each other when the value is really low. Relying upon chance to throw a toon a pair of rival bidders who both want it, both know its value and both can afford it is a really, really bad system for ensuring that things don't undersell massively. We make this market efficient. People like you are the reason why characters are way overpriced on these forums. You are only in it for profit, no other reason. You provide no service, you only look to service your wallet! That's called capitalism. The desire to profit from the service is what incentivises the provision of a service. However it is still much, much better than if there was no service, if it wasn't then nobody would sell to me and nobody would buy off me. The reason the service can exist is because people keep trading with me because they want what I'm offering. Nobody is scammed, nobody is mislead, people just want the service. Tell me, in a situation like this where it requires huge volumes of liquidity to be invested, why shouldn't I see a return on my investment? Do you see anyone else in the MD forum spending a trillion isk to provide this service? Why don't you use your own trillion isk to provide the same service as I am but without adding any value to the toons you sell, do it purely out of charity. You'll be able to undercut me and drive down my prices through competition. Think on it. If you think you can provide the service better than me then do it, if you don't want to then recognise that other people may still want what I can provide and let them.
Tachidii The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:48:00 - [25] - Quote De Guillaume wrote: Don't get mad bro becuase u can't afford to do it. It's a business like when someone builds a ship and overpriced it in 00 Deal with it Can't afford to do it? Does not take much isk to buy a few toons and start reselling you know. I think you need to deal with the fact that people don't like resellers like you 2. Period.
Talatheen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 01:55:00 - [26] - Quote Tachidii wrote: De Guillaume wrote: Don't get mad bro becuase u can't afford to do it. It's a business like when someone builds a ship and overpriced it in 00 Deal with it Can't afford to do it? Does not take much isk to buy a few toons and start reselling you know. I think you need to deal with the fact that people don't like resellers like you 2. Period. The fact that people in eve have a very, very tenuous grasp on how an economy works is neither new nor surprising information to me.
Dax Antrim Galactic Miners And Transports 1	Posted - 2012.06.16 06:48:00 - [27] - Quote In their defense, I also buy and re-sell toons, but I usually only add a billion or 2 to the price I paid. That way, people get fair prices, and I move toons quickly, so I still end up with a similar amount of profit. However, character trading is still trading, and there's nothing wrong with capitalizing on people wanting to sell quickly and capitalizing on what people will pay if they really want a character. Free bump, and a nice character, even though I disagree with the valuation =)
Major Killz State Protectorate Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:19:00 - [28] - Quote I too am a character reseller extraordinaire. I often have margins of 40 - 120%. Fair price is whatever both parties are willing to agree too. The formula's used by pilots are objective @ best. The most important metric is PLEX (subscription) + skill books (cost) + transaction cost = price. Simple huh!? Currently I'm using this character as my main. I've been offered 27b so far from someone who really would like this character. I said no. I would have to be offered something silly to give this character up (i payed 15b). Think about that. Someone is willing to pay me 27b for this character and I only paid 15 for it. There's a market for very high skill point characters and those with unallocated skill points. So, coming on others threads and messing with a possible sale just because you don't like the price is pretty sad. It's all subjective. Sellers are trying to get the most and buyers are trying to pay the least or are willing to pay as much as possible for what they want. I can honestly say I'm thinking about purchasing this character as a Official alt to with this new main. I'll most likely use the unallocated skill points to create a leadership/tengu booster. I know he's a reseller like myself, but I messed up and missed the chance to purchase this character early. I was 4 hours to late... I knew he would add a serious preimum on this character and tbh. For this character it's worth it. Yes 18b is high end, but meh! 2 billion more than would be "fair to me". However, clearly I have the ability to go over that and think it's owrth a bit more. BELIEVE ME. HE COULD GET AWAY WITH SELLING THIS TOON FOR 20 - 21B. I know 2 pilots currently that would purchase this toon for that amount. To bad I sold them characters for around that amount recently Lol. Let the h8ters h8 and watch the isk pile up. STOP H8ING. H8INg is BADZ.
X ATM092 The Hatchery Team Liquid 22	Posted - 2012.06.17 02:37:00 - [29] - Quote bump
Tiberu Stundrif Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 12	Posted - 2012.06.17 20:19:00 - [30] - Quote Due to lack of drone skills and zero capital skills, I'd be happy to offer 15 billion. That's a fair price on a very lean character. If you have capital skills this character would easily be around 20+. Since you will not be getting a "B/O 18bil" I'm happy to make you the rather fair offer of 15 billion ISK.

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