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DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:52:00 - [31] if anything like this ever happened, rkk would be there en masse just for the hell of it. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:52:00 - [32] if anything like this ever happened, rkk would be there en masse just for the hell of it. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
thebold	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:56:00 - [33] But i wont speak on behalf of SA .. but i know if im in a fleet fight i never take out my drones only if im scrambled or im going down and cant do anything else for the fleet. Takes 4 seconds to render a drone :o 3gighz computer etc. But limiting the blob fights is only pointless based on the fact no one really would risk an engagement without superior numbers, especially if you know alot of the members in your fleet dont have the know how to fight really well then you only know what your capabilities are and would engage. Technically what you want is what people want in a ideal world. Unfortunately it wouldnÆt happen unless CCP fixed these memory leaks. ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
thebold	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:56:00 - [34] But i wont speak on behalf of SA .. but i know if im in a fleet fight i never take out my drones only if im scrambled or im going down and cant do anything else for the fleet. Takes 4 seconds to render a drone :o 3gighz computer etc. But limiting the blob fights is only pointless based on the fact no one really would risk an engagement without superior numbers, especially if you know alot of the members in your fleet dont have the know how to fight really well then you only know what your capabilities are and would engage. Technically what you want is what people want in a ideal world. Unfortunately it wouldnÆt happen unless CCP fixed these memory leaks. ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
Sagainyte	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:57:00 - [35] Edited by: Sagainyte on 08/11/2004 14:59:42 I would much rather we brought together ALL the warring alliances in a joint petition to CCP: Scrap the current tactical map overlay in shiva! Create a new tactical map giving an abstraction of the battlefield instead - without the insane render requirements. Cant be that hard to implement and its pretty harmless. It's not like the endless balance issues where you mess up the game for a percentage of the gamers. I dont care what kind of perfoamnce enhancements wll come with Shiva - it's not gonna be enough. Give us a proper tactical battle view!
Sagainyte	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:57:00 - [36] Edited by: Sagainyte on 08/11/2004 14:59:42 I would much rather we brought together ALL the warring alliances in a joint petition to CCP: Scrap the current tactical map overlay in shiva! Create a new tactical map giving an abstraction of the battlefield instead - without the insane render requirements. Cant be that hard to implement and its pretty harmless. It's not like the endless balance issues where you mess up the game for a percentage of the gamers. I dont care what kind of perfoamnce enhancements wll come with Shiva - it's not gonna be enough. Give us a proper tactical battle view!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:59:00 - [37] i dont know if you remember aneu but we had a deal with m0o in fa no drones we all stuck to it and had alot more fun because of it, you wanna do the little things that help in pvp agree to no drones or something in fleet combat STAN FACTA NON VERBA
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2004.11.08 14:59:00 - [38] i dont know if you remember aneu but we had a deal with m0o in fa no drones we all stuck to it and had alot more fun because of it, you wanna do the little things that help in pvp agree to no drones or something in fleet combat STAN FACTA NON VERBA
Brian Detaah	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:07:00 - [39] Well, hard to impliment, but i agree with anue. We need to do something to at least make ccp respond to this problem. Shiva and POS just wont work if people get lagged out in even medium to large fleets ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Brian Detaah	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:07:00 - [40] Well, hard to impliment, but i agree with anue. We need to do something to at least make ccp respond to this problem. Shiva and POS just wont work if people get lagged out in even medium to large fleets ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:08:00 - [41] Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:11:26 Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:10:33 As everyone doubts that Shiva will improve matters, why don't we have a fleet battle on Shiva. Everyone must be activated now, just arrange a time and place and get as many in Local as possible to see how it goes. At least that will give them some feedback outside of the largescale ISD test's they've done and be a little more proactive about the crap situation we are currently in. As a suggestion 21:00 GMT on Thursday in P3-ENE, maybe we could even petition the devs to get a little ooc news item on there to get everyone that doesn't read the forums to show up on sisi too. Just a thought.
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:08:00 - [42] Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:11:26 Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:10:33 As everyone doubts that Shiva will improve matters, why don't we have a fleet battle on Shiva. Everyone must be activated now, just arrange a time and place and get as many in Local as possible to see how it goes. At least that will give them some feedback outside of the largescale ISD test's they've done and be a little more proactive about the crap situation we are currently in. As a suggestion 21:00 GMT on Thursday in P3-ENE, maybe we could even petition the devs to get a little ooc news item on there to get everyone that doesn't read the forums to show up on sisi too. Just a thought.
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:15:00 - [43] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii i dont know if you remember aneu but we had a deal with m0o in fa no drones we all stuck to it and had alot more fun because of it, you wanna do the little things that help in pvp agree to no drones or something in fleet combat Indeed, and it was brilliant, it is great to see that enemies can co-operate. This is what im trying to achieve here, but the thing is im afraid that drones wont help this time, they have actually made drones usable (i know its hard to admit ccp did somthing right) but its the memory leak that multiple battleships cause. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:15:00 - [44] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii i dont know if you remember aneu but we had a deal with m0o in fa no drones we all stuck to it and had alot more fun because of it, you wanna do the little things that help in pvp agree to no drones or something in fleet combat Indeed, and it was brilliant, it is great to see that enemies can co-operate. This is what im trying to achieve here, but the thing is im afraid that drones wont help this time, they have actually made drones usable (i know its hard to admit ccp did somthing right) but its the memory leak that multiple battleships cause. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
StellarSheep	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:26:00 - [45] I was in few little/medium fights and everything was always good for me before all launch drones. For example we jump yesterday on about dunno 20ppl gang. Something like this. Starting about 25 fps. 30s later all deploy drones - 3 fps Heh i dont have best computer but it`s strong : p4 2.4, 512 ram, x800xt graphic card and i have no problems with any game. Only with EvE. My connection is ok too. I was in fights where was no drones or only few and i enjoyed that battle so much. There is still lag but not like this. Hope shiva will bring something with this but ... ________________________________________________ StellarSheep Fury Corporation member
StellarSheep	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:26:00 - [46] I was in few little/medium fights and everything was always good for me before all launch drones. For example we jump yesterday on about dunno 20ppl gang. Something like this. Starting about 25 fps. 30s later all deploy drones - 3 fps Heh i dont have best computer but it`s strong : p4 2.4, 512 ram, x800xt graphic card and i have no problems with any game. Only with EvE. My connection is ok too. I was in fights where was no drones or only few and i enjoyed that battle so much. There is still lag but not like this. Hope shiva will bring something with this but ... ________________________________________________ StellarSheep Fury Corporation member
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:27:00 - [47] Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:11:26 Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:10:33 As everyone doubts that Shiva will improve matters, why don't we have a fleet battle on Shiva. Everyone must be activated now, just arrange a time and place and get as many in Local as possible to see how it goes. At least that will give them some feedback outside of the largescale ISD test's they've done and be a little more proactive about the crap situation we are currently in. As a suggestion 21:00 GMT on Thursday in P3-ENE, maybe we could even petition the devs to get a little ooc news item on there to get everyone that doesn't read the forums to show up on sisi too. Just a thought. The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:11:26 Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 15:10:33 As everyone doubts that Shiva will improve matters, why don't we have a fleet battle on Shiva. Everyone must be activated now, just arrange a time and place and get as many in Local as possible to see how it goes. At least that will give them some feedback outside of the largescale ISD test's they've done and be a little more proactive about the crap situation we are currently in. As a suggestion 21:00 GMT on Thursday in P3-ENE, maybe we could even petition the devs to get a little ooc news item on there to get everyone that doesn't read the forums to show up on sisi too. Just a thought. The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:31:00 - [49] Unfortunately, most people can't even uphold a 1v1 without bringing 3. This wouldn't work. As far as I recall from the fanfest, they are saying there are a whole load of server-side optimisations coming in with exodus, alongside the client-side optimisations. So I'm willing to wait for exodus, and take it from there. But seriously, this is war, and as most sides have pointed out at one time or another 'Superior numbers is just smart tactics' So no, I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:31:00 - [50] Unfortunately, most people can't even uphold a 1v1 without bringing 3. This wouldn't work. As far as I recall from the fanfest, they are saying there are a whole load of server-side optimisations coming in with exodus, alongside the client-side optimisations. So I'm willing to wait for exodus, and take it from there. But seriously, this is war, and as most sides have pointed out at one time or another 'Superior numbers is just smart tactics' So no, I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. .
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:35:00 - [51] Originally by: StellarSheep I was in few little/medium fights and everything was always good for me before all launch drones. For example we jump yesterday on about dunno 20ppl gang. Something like this. Starting about 25 fps. 30s later all deploy drones - 3 fps Heh i dont have best computer but it`s strong : p4 2.4, 512 ram, x800xt graphic card and i have no problems with any game. Only with EvE. My connection is ok too. I was in fights where was no drones or only few and i enjoyed that battle so much. There is still lag but not like this. Hope shiva will bring something with this but ... Im a spammer i know, but drones only cause lag when your ingame for a long time (as most fleets are) and your memory leakage is at its peak, then you can expect that to cause additional problems. But its simple, clients need to be fixed aswell as nodes, but im trying to do somthing to over-come both until CCP does somthing about it. Im also in full support of an alliance wide petition to CCP demanding an explination of what they are doing to solve the lag problem. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:35:00 - [52] Originally by: StellarSheep I was in few little/medium fights and everything was always good for me before all launch drones. For example we jump yesterday on about dunno 20ppl gang. Something like this. Starting about 25 fps. 30s later all deploy drones - 3 fps Heh i dont have best computer but it`s strong : p4 2.4, 512 ram, x800xt graphic card and i have no problems with any game. Only with EvE. My connection is ok too. I was in fights where was no drones or only few and i enjoyed that battle so much. There is still lag but not like this. Hope shiva will bring something with this but ... Im a spammer i know, but drones only cause lag when your ingame for a long time (as most fleets are) and your memory leakage is at its peak, then you can expect that to cause additional problems. But its simple, clients need to be fixed aswell as nodes, but im trying to do somthing to over-come both until CCP does somthing about it. Im also in full support of an alliance wide petition to CCP demanding an explination of what they are doing to solve the lag problem. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:36:00 - [53] It is a rather noble and interesting idea but alas I dont think its workable. What it ATUK had a gang of 40 and SA had a gang of 40 and Xetic had a gang of 40 and we all wanted to fight CA, we'd have to draw lots to see who could wtfpwn you this time () I once wished that people would operate in smaller gangs like the old days as a 10 on 10 is a much greater experience and test of skills (mainly coz you can activate your mods and maneuvere) than 100 vs 100 but when all you alliances insist of hiring any top d1ck or harry corp to bolster your numbers I guessed it wasnt gonna happen. It is a sad sad day though when CCP just ignore what we are saying and we have to place limits on ourselves and tell players they cant fight tonight coz our gangs too big for the server. All those dreams CCP have of Battleships being capital ships being escorted by cruisers with frigates buzzing round and destroyers tackling the frigates and support ships enhancing tracking etc all ruined by servers which are worse now than a year ago So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:36:00 - [54] It is a rather noble and interesting idea but alas I dont think its workable. What it ATUK had a gang of 40 and SA had a gang of 40 and Xetic had a gang of 40 and we all wanted to fight CA, we'd have to draw lots to see who could wtfpwn you this time () I once wished that people would operate in smaller gangs like the old days as a 10 on 10 is a much greater experience and test of skills (mainly coz you can activate your mods and maneuvere) than 100 vs 100 but when all you alliances insist of hiring any top d1ck or harry corp to bolster your numbers I guessed it wasnt gonna happen. It is a sad sad day though when CCP just ignore what we are saying and we have to place limits on ourselves and tell players they cant fight tonight coz our gangs too big for the server. All those dreams CCP have of Battleships being capital ships being escorted by cruisers with frigates buzzing round and destroyers tackling the frigates and support ships enhancing tracking etc all ruined by servers which are worse now than a year ago So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:38:00 - [55] Edited by: Estios on 08/11/2004 15:45:11 Originally by: Lallante wont work. Impossible to regulate, how do you 'stop' extra people coming along etc. CA has more or less decided no more defensive fights (we will always be on the offence) after the HLW fiasco where 2/3 of our pilots couldnt target. Do you not think we suffered the same problems ?? Fleet battles suck right now ...for EVERYONE. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:38:00 - [56] Edited by: Estios on 08/11/2004 15:45:11 Originally by: Lallante wont work. Impossible to regulate, how do you 'stop' extra people coming along etc. CA has more or less decided no more defensive fights (we will always be on the offence) after the HLW fiasco where 2/3 of our pilots couldnt target. Do you not think we suffered the same problems ?? Fleet battles suck right now ...for EVERYONE. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Aneu Angellus The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu You're right, Sisi doesn't bear any resemblence to TQ. It has a higher load on it because it doesn't have as many nodes (From Devs). Otherwise it does 'bear a resemblence' if it didn't testing wouldn't mean jack would it. Porting the Sisi thread over onto the TQ cluster isn't going to happen is it, at least if we have a go now we can say look here is our feedback. 'This works, that works, It still sucks' instead of stamping our feet about how Exodus won't improve it and trying to impose unenforcable rules onto everyone whilst crying into our forum tea. I was just putting the idea forward as yours has been rejected.
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Aneu Angellus The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu You're right, Sisi doesn't bear any resemblence to TQ. It has a higher load on it because it doesn't have as many nodes (From Devs). Otherwise it does 'bear a resemblence' if it didn't testing wouldn't mean jack would it. Porting the Sisi thread over onto the TQ cluster isn't going to happen is it, at least if we have a go now we can say look here is our feedback. 'This works, that works, It still sucks' instead of stamping our feet about how Exodus won't improve it and trying to impose unenforcable rules onto everyone whilst crying into our forum tea. I was just putting the idea forward as yours has been rejected.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Originally by: Aneu Angellus The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu You're right, Sisi doesn't bear any resemblence to TQ. It has a higher load on it because it doesn't have as many nodes (From Devs). Otherwise it does 'bear a resemblence' if it didn't testing wouldn't mean jack would it. Porting the Sisi thread over onto the TQ cluster isn't going to happen is it, at least if we have a go now we can say look here is our feedback. 'This works, that works, It still sucks' instead of stamping our feet about how Exodus won't improve it and trying to impose unenforcable rules onto everyone whilst crying into our forum tea. I was just putting the idea forward as yours has been rejected. You drink forum tea? It's too bitter for my liking. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.08 15:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Originally by: Aneu Angellus The shiva test server is in no way comparable to tranquility and will not give an accurate guide on how things will work. The best thing would be for CCP to transfer Shiva over to Tranq for a single day, then stress test it to death. Its the only way we will get an accurate reading of how shiva will work. Aneu You're right, Sisi doesn't bear any resemblence to TQ. It has a higher load on it because it doesn't have as many nodes (From Devs). Otherwise it does 'bear a resemblence' if it didn't testing wouldn't mean jack would it. Porting the Sisi thread over onto the TQ cluster isn't going to happen is it, at least if we have a go now we can say look here is our feedback. 'This works, that works, It still sucks' instead of stamping our feet about how Exodus won't improve it and trying to impose unenforcable rules onto everyone whilst crying into our forum tea. I was just putting the idea forward as yours has been rejected. You drink forum tea? It's too bitter for my liking. .

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