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Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 07:05:00 - [1] - Quote Hello, I am wanting to get into the mining industry and plan to build up my mining skill sets. Currently, I am gallante (the race with the ugly deformed ships) and I have about 4mil ISK saved up. My question is that I would like to purchase a decent ship that can store/hold a lot of Veldspar (or the like) more-or-less something that I can make a fairly good profit on. I saw the mining barges but those are way outside my price range at the moment. I saw the industrial ships but one thing I am not too sure on is whether or not those are truly meant for mining? Or for hauling? What are your recommendations on a good and decent size mine ship that would be able to hold a good amount of resources in its cargo hold? thanks
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 1132	Posted - 2012.06.16 07:35:00 - [2] - Quote The indies are for hauling, yes. They can work as miners but you get horrible yield for the time spent. Try an exequror for now. It can only fit 4 lasers but it has a cargo bonus. Ships like the thorax and vexor can get better yield but are a bit out there on price for you. I'd highly suggest the retriever after that as your next stepping stone as the procuror might actually be a downgrade The Drake is a Lie
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 59	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:03:00 - [3] - Quote Don't use a hauler to mine, they can only fit one mining laser and get no mining speed bonus so it's VERY inefficient. Other than that your ship choice depends on your strategy. If you mine solo you can warp back and forth to the station all the time if your cargo is full so in that case you want a ship with a big cargo bay which for Gallente is the Exequeror (as stated above), another option is to use a jetcan to mine into and then pick it up later with your hauler. This means that your mining ship cargo hold is far less important and you can thus focus on upping your mining yield. Same thing would you mine with friends or a hauler alt, cargo room suddenly because far less important. Do note that using jetcans is fundamentally risky, someone else might come along and steal your ore but at the same time it's less of a hassle because you don't have to warp around so much and your yield goes up due to less time lost and your ship simply mining more. Choices choices. For now get yourself a decent hauler, best bang for the buck for Gallente is the Iteron 3 both isk as training wise. Then either figure out which strategy you want to use solo or join an ACTIVE corp (most mining corps tend to be rather full of zombies) and mine in teams, strengthen your wallet a bit more before making a choice (never fly what you can't afford to lose) before buying a bigger ship. Also, there's many ways to make isk so do have a look at stuff beyond mining itself so you can do different things (and some even kinda at the same time) to get your wallet up. Amat victoria curam.
The Big Lebowski State War Academy Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:34:00 - [4] - Quote Hi, read this http://www.eve-wiki.net/?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 328	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:38:00 - [5] - Quote In the long run Gallente Iteron V is the best Hauler, but that takes Gallente Industrial V and about 21 days to train. The 2nd best is the Minmatar Mammoth, which requires Minmatar Industrial IV and takes just 4 days to train. 3rd is Amarr Bestower (Amarr Industrial I, 13 hours) and 4rd is Caldari Badger Mark II (Caldari Industrial III, 1 day 7 hours) So the differences are very large and you might want to train for a Mammoth or a Bestower before beginning the long training for the Iteron V. I recommend jetcan mining in a quiet system using the Caldari Osprey cruiser, which is the best mining cruiser. You can fly one inside 3 days. Then train for Retriever. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 269	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:41:00 - [6] - Quote Okay, 1.) NEVER mine in an industrial ship. Even a frigate makes more money by mining with small lasers. Industrials are there to haul stuff not to mine. 2.) Atm each race has got a frigate and destroyer that gets bonuses to mining (or mining drones). So ship progression atm is: 1.) Racial Mining frigate 2.) Racial Mining cruiser (if you want, could skip straight to 3) 3.) Retriever 4.) Covetor (could skip straight to 5) 5.) Hulk Keep in mind that racial frigates are going to change in the Summer expansion. After that there will be a new ship (ORE Frigate) for mining. ORE is also the inventor of the mining barges and exhumers Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 59	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:50:00 - [7] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Atm each race has got a frigate and destroyer that gets bonuses to mining (or mining drones). Amarr doesn't have a mining frigate currently and destroyers get no mining bonus. Amat victoria curam.
Yuriko Deathstrike Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.16 08:57:00 - [8] - Quote @ OP I know you mentioned indy ships, but in case you are still a trial here are some options: TRIALS: Vexor: on my setup i was able to fit 4 mining I lasers and later on 4 mining II lasers. Vexor has a big drone bay so you can take 5 mining drones (5 m3 each) and 5 light or medium scout drones (5 m3 each and 10 m3 each). The good thing about the Vexor is if rats spawn in a belt, you have enough shield to where you can recall the mining drones and put out your scout drones. If you are a trial still you cannot use indys or GSC (giant secure containers), which means you have to haul once your cargo load is full. Since you have to haul you can stick to 0.8 - 1.0 sec space and find a roid belt close to a station. You can go to a 0.5 - 0.7 belt too but rats spawn periodically here. FULL MEMBERS: If you are a full member that means you can train up anchoring and also train up for using industrial ships. Even though you may not have a lot of ISK now I recommend buying 2-3 GSC and anchoring them in 0.5 - 0.7 roid belts. You have to anchor GSC at least 5000 meters away from roids, wrecks and other secure containers. And you should try and keep your own GSC close to one another. Once you have put your GSC in space from your hauler, right click it and select anchor then wait 60 seconds. Once anchored right click it and set a password. Once all that is done you can just park your mining ship within 2500m of your GSC and transfer ore from your ships cargo hold to the GSC. If you do the above, then you dont have to fit rigs and low modules for max cargo capacity. Fill up your GSCs then go to station in the system and swap ships to your industrial and make some hauls to pick up your ore. When mining with GSC, or just in general i recommend bookmarking your GSC's or the roids that you are mining. That way you dont have to warp to the default roid belt warp in point, then move a few thousand KM before you can start re-mining again or emptying out your GSCs. As far as ships go: Vexor Retriever Covetor Hulk If you have the Retriever it takes roughly 28 days to train up to the Covetor. If you do a lot of mining you could have enough saved up for a Hulk by the time the 28 days are complete. Also look at the training requirements for Strip Miners, Strip Miner II and Modulated Strip Miner II (and mining crystals). And if you are gonna be mining in a Hulk in the future, then i recommend also training up for the use of tanking modules and rigs.
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 269	Posted - 2012.06.16 09:03:00 - [9] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: J'Poll wrote: Atm each race has got a frigate and destroyer that gets bonuses to mining (or mining drones). Amarr doesn't have a mining frigate currently and destroyers get no mining bonus. Thanks for spotting, Amarr is already changed to the new setup (where the ORE frigate comes in). And Destroyers should be cruisers Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1515	Posted - 2012.06.16 13:18:00 - [10] - Quote Amarr have the Tormentor mining frigate. The Amarr and Gallente do not have a specialist mining cruiser. The Amarr have the Arbitrator while the Gallente have the Vexor. The best mining cruiser if you will be working with friends is the Osprey, with a close second (for fleet mining) being the Scythe. The advice regarding the Exequror is sound: the extra cargo capacity means fewer trips back to station when mining solo. The proposed updates to mining ships will happen sometime after this Summer expansion. The devblog in question tentatively proposes having the mining barges sorted out before the Winter expansion. If you are serious about mining as a profession, I would highly recommend looking for a player corporation that specialises in mining and industry. And Gallente ships are beautifully asymmetric. It is the symmetric ships that are the ugly stepsisters of the EVE design world. Day 0 advice for new players: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=77176
Zhu Khan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2012.06.16 14:17:00 - [11] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Amarr have the Tormentor mining frigate. The Tormentor is no longer a mining frigate. The recent patch switched its bonuses to combat oriented ones.
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 22:16:00 - [12] - Quote Thanks everybody, you all been very helpful, I have read everyone's posts and understand CCP is going to be mixing it up for me here shortly but figured until they change that, I found that I should look into either the exequror or the Vexor and buying some of these GCS's (?), not sure what those are (newb I know) but I will research it. Think someone provided a weblink for mining too so I may go and give that a read. I appreciate all your help. I figured the Industrial ships (or Indies I gather) were designeed for a different purpose which is why I decided to start the thread and ask to be safe. I didn't want to blow 4mil on the wrong ship, and being a newbie.... I am proud of my first 4mil
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 270	Posted - 2012.06.17 08:33:00 - [13] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: Thanks everybody, you all been very helpful, I have read everyone's posts and understand CCP is going to be mixing it up for me here shortly but figured until they change that, I found that I should look into either the exequror or the Vexor and buying some of these GCS's (?), not sure what those are (newb I know) but I will research it. Think someone provided a weblink for mining too so I may go and give that a read. I appreciate all your help. I figured the Industrial ships (or Indies I gather) were designeed for a different purpose which is why I decided to start the thread and ask to be safe. I didn't want to blow 4mil on the wrong ship, and being a newbie.... I am proud of my first 4mil GSC = Giant Secure Container It has 2 uses: 1.) In a system of 0.7 or lower you can anchor them and put your ores in it to collect later on with an industrial. They are safer then the normal jet-can you get from jettison cargo from your cargohold because they can be password protected (so can-flippers can't access them). 2.) They are an easy way to get more storage room in your industrial. The container itself takes up 3000 m3 of your cargohold. But they can hold 3900 m3. So for each container in your cargohold you get a 900 m3 of room. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.17 15:21:00 - [14] - Quote makes sense to me. I have never used cans but I am guessing they work the same way as in transfering things from your hanger to your ships cargo hold? you just transfer them to this can., then eject them and pick them up later when you have time? I looked at the Equror and Vexor and cheapest I found is still 1 - 1.5 mil above my price range, (I only have 4mil right now, and having a newb frigate, it takes me a long time to make that money, plus it would be a waste if they change thing soon from what you guys are saying (that CCP will change mining ships around next month), I am wonderig if I should just buy me a big industrial and some GSCs and have at it for a month, even though yes the biggest induestrial I found does not support a lot ot turrets and things so I am limited on what I can slap on them.
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 270	Posted - 2012.06.17 16:05:00 - [15] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: makes sense to me. I have never used cans but I can see that its simply transferign them over into them like you would your ships cargo hold to your hanger, so this may be an option since things are changing next month in regards to the new ORE ship I hear? right now the Equror or vexor is still 1 - 1.5 mil above my price range for the cheapest find on the market. Not sure if it is next month But CCP is going to change the frigates with the summer update. This will mean there will be a new mining frigate made by ORE (The inventors of the Mining Barges, Exhumers, Noctis, Orca and Rorqual). At that stage all the racial frigates will loose their mining bonus for a more combat orientated bonus Amarr frigate - Tormentor - has already changed Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Trollin 96	Posted - 2012.06.18 02:09:00 - [16] - Quote I am suprised that nobody has mentioned to you that mining is the most belittled profession in the game while it might seem a good idea at this moment to you, if you will look around in different places, you will see that nearly everyone in Eve is out to kill miners even though (perhaps because) they are the most defenseless targets in the game. best of luck w/ whatever you decide, but know that you are painting the target on your own back with this venture people like This specialize in killing miners for fun, and the biggest alliance in the game pays 25-100m per 10 mining barge kills a pilot recieves You are your own worst enemy.
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 04:31:00 - [17] - Quote They may be, but for s newb I figured it may be a good financial start, our side job. I see they there is a minor release to inferno on the 19th, is this when the new frigate will come out?
Threndir The Fiction Factory Blue Nation 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 07:53:00 - [18] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: They may be, but for s newb I figured it may be a good financial start, our side job. I see they there is a minor release to inferno on the 19th, is this when the new frigate will come out? I don't think so, that will probably take a few months from now.
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 271	Posted - 2012.06.18 08:24:00 - [19] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: They may be, but for s newb I figured it may be a good financial start, our side job. I see they there is a minor release to inferno on the 19th, is this when the new frigate will come out? Said that they come with summer expansions (so likely July) Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1346	Posted - 2012.06.18 08:45:00 - [20] - Quote If I can offer you one piece of advice, it would be ~~wear sunscreen~~ don't mine alone. Even with the newest of setups your effective yield will be much higher when you're taking part in an organised mining fleet than if you're doing it alone and trying to work out how to best get your ore to the station, etc. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 15:47:00 - [21] - Quote Kahn, So basically the buddy system :) All, I read that the ospray or scythe are best mining cruisers due to their bonus. Now I plan to buy a Vexor until I skill up on a barge. does the bonus associated with these two cruisers benefit me enough to where I should buy the caldari or minitar skill sets to fly them? Or will a vexor work good enough?
Cpt Greywolf Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji 2	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:39:00 - [22] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: Hello, I am wanting to get into the mining industry and plan to build up my mining skill sets. Currently, I am gallante (the race with the ugly deformed ships) and I have about 4mil ISK saved up. My question is that I would like to purchase a decent ship that can store/hold a lot of Veldspar (or the like) more-or-less something that I can make a fairly good profit on. I saw the mining barges but those are way outside my price range at the moment. I saw the industrial ships but one thing I am not too sure on is whether or not those are truly meant for mining? Or for hauling? What are your recommendations on a good and decent size mine ship that would be able to hold a good amount of resources in its cargo hold? thanks Gallente Mining Frigate / Cruiser then move into dedicated barges retriever and so fourth. Many new players make the mistake of mining using and a hauling ship but this is counter productive as you will get far more ore for your time using ships that actually get bonus's for them. So my advice either a mining frigate or cruiser to start with and mine into a jetcan and use a hauler to haul from said jetcan. Just be aware of can flippers and other bad peoples =)
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:42:00 - [23] - Quote Why cant people just be good little eve citizens and not steal other people cans :) ?
Threndir The Fiction Factory Blue Nation 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 22:53:00 - [24] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: Why cant people just be good little eve citizens and not steal other people cans :) ? Haha, this is EVE. Even your "friends" can turn against you if it suits them. Though jetcan mining can still work if you find a quiet system to mine in. Or like already mentioned, find a corp and join one of their mining ops. Mostly they have a dedicated hauling ship to empty the can's for you. That way mining becomes way more efficient. Plus they likely have skills to give you a nice bonus to mining yield, and in the future to your strip miners on barges/exhumers. My advice about the cruisers, don't branch into other races just because that one cruiser has a bonus. Look at the bigger picture. Where are you working to in a year, instead of next week. If you do not have a mining bonussed cruiser in your long-term-path, so be it. The next mining ship is right around the corner, the retriever. If you're serious at mining you train for that, if not, just continue on your training path to whatever it is :)
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.18 23:41:00 - [25] - Quote Smart, good idea, two birds one stone. So If I understand correctly, this canning thing works like this: - I mine with my miner - When its full I dump it into the jetcans - After all those are full, I take my miner back to base, then hop in my industrial and go and pick up the cans All within 2 hours, as I read that 2 hours is the longest jetcan can be exposed to space, correct?
Yuriko Deathstrike Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.19 00:09:00 - [26] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: Why cant people just be good little eve citizens and not steal other people cans :) ? Saw your other post about how the cruisers are out of your price range. Here is what i did when i was in my first few days, maybe try it out and see how it works for you. If you have one use your mining frigate (i used a bantam). Equip with 2 mining lasers, and expanded cargo holds down low. Find a station in a 0.8 - 1.0 system, preferably a system that has a roid belt that is very close to the station (under 5-10 AU), but thats not a big deal. When you warp to that belt look for Dense Veldspar if none, Concentrated Veldspar if none then just regular Veldspar. Fly right up to the roid and give yourself a clear line of site to the station. Bookmark that roid, and mine...once full warp to the station, empty your hold, undock and warp back to the bookmark. It might take several hours or a few days, but you dont have to worry about jet cans being stolen. Yah it sucks having to haul 300-500 m3 of ore every few minutes, but thats better then 3000-4000 m3 of your ore getting stolen and losing an hour ish of work. A good rule is that if your refining skill isnt trained up all the way you are better off selling the raw ore. However it is easy to figure for yourself, just refine > get quote to see how much Tritanium a batch of Veldspar gives. Then look up Tritanium in the market and see how much it would have costed for that refined amount. Then compare that to the price it costs to sell the batch of ore instead.
Threndir The Fiction Factory Blue Nation 0	Posted - 2012.06.19 08:15:00 - [27] - Quote Ano Regni wrote: Smart, good idea, two birds one stone. So If I understand correctly, this canning thing works like this: - I mine with my miner - When its full I dump it into the jetcans - After all those are full, I take my miner back to base, then hop in my industrial and go and pick up the cans All within 2 hours, as I read that 2 hours is the longest jetcan can be exposed to space, correct? Yes, correct :) Just to be sure: You start mining with your miner, as soon as the ore appears in your carghold right click the ore and choose Jettison. The ore will move from your cargo to a newly created cargocontainer in space. Now open the can (tip: hold shift while you click the open button, it will open a new window) and a new window will apear. Now you can just drag the ore from your cargohold to the jetcan each time your cargohold is filling up. Jetcans have a capacity of 27,500m3, that should be enough for an hour of mining or so. I would haul the can after an 1 - 1,5 hours or so, just to be sure. And indeed this is best to be done with an Industrial ship.
Ano Regni Skunk Works Corp. 0	Posted - 2012.06.19 17:11:00 - [28] - Quote Thanks all, thanks threndir for info. I will buy me some cans. I actually got a cruiser now, I was smart and bought me a PLEX for a couple bucks then sold it in-game for sone ISK, so setting fairly well right now :) Just skilling up for a barge.

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