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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.11.09 09:26:00 -
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Yeah stop talking about secure containers, I hate them!
btw..Arant, my favourite system for ore theft. And the idea...well could make things exciting. Good for a laugh.
Here's a good hint for ore thieves with a similar ground. If your stealing in 0.5-0.7 and theres lots of cans floating around from popped rats. Move the ore from the miners can into one of the rats cans. He'll think you already stole it all and his hauler won't check, probably. Then you can proceed to bring it all home. Worked often for me!
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.11.09 09:26:00 -
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Yeah stop talking about secure containers, I hate them!
btw..Arant, my favourite system for ore theft. And the idea...well could make things exciting. Good for a laugh.
Here's a good hint for ore thieves with a similar ground. If your stealing in 0.5-0.7 and theres lots of cans floating around from popped rats. Move the ore from the miners can into one of the rats cans. He'll think you already stole it all and his hauler won't check, probably. Then you can proceed to bring it all home. Worked often for me!
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Jovus Amberose
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:46:00 -
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If you have a peep at Eve-i, I believe theres larger secure cans going to be available.
Don't quote me on that though  |
Jovus Amberose
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:46:00 -
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If you have a peep at Eve-i, I believe theres larger secure cans going to be available.
Don't quote me on that though |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 09/11/2004 10:51:48
 Originally by: SengH
would you waste the time grabbing 1 ore tho
Er.. "stack all" that will turn all of those 1's into a single group. If the can is completely full, you can't stack but even if it's full of groups of 1 ore, you can jsut take one out and stack the rest using "stack all".
Or am I missing something?.. Are you putting about a handful of ore in each can? I'd have to be able to produce a can every second to keep up with that kind of rate. I'd need over 100 corpmates in the one spot and considering I have 1 corpmate and even our two ships can't be close enough that all cans he makes are accessible to me without moving.
If they're all decoys, that seems like a lot of effort to go to when it's easy to stop your ship, arrange them by distance on the scanner and check each one in turn to find the one with all the actual ore in it. This isn't going to stop an ore thief.
Funny idea and a funny picture to go with it but if you were serious, I say stop smoking whatever you were smoking when you thought of that idea ^_^;.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 09/11/2004 10:51:48
Originally by: SengH
would you waste the time grabbing 1 ore tho
Er.. "stack all" that will turn all of those 1's into a single group. If the can is completely full, you can't stack but even if it's full of groups of 1 ore, you can jsut take one out and stack the rest using "stack all".
Or am I missing something?.. Are you putting about a handful of ore in each can? I'd have to be able to produce a can every second to keep up with that kind of rate. I'd need over 100 corpmates in the one spot and considering I have 1 corpmate and even our two ships can't be close enough that all cans he makes are accessible to me without moving.
If they're all decoys, that seems like a lot of effort to go to when it's easy to stop your ship, arrange them by distance on the scanner and check each one in turn to find the one with all the actual ore in it. This isn't going to stop an ore thief.
Funny idea and a funny picture to go with it but if you were serious, I say stop smoking whatever you were smoking when you thought of that idea ^_^;.
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SengH
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 09/11/2004 11:03:54
Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 09/11/2004 10:51:48
Originally by: SengH
would you waste the time grabbing 1 ore tho
Er.. "stack all" that will turn all of those 1's into a single group. If the can is completely full, you can't stack but even if it's full of groups of 1 ore, you can jsut take one out and stack the rest using "stack all".
Or am I missing something?.. Are you putting about a handful of ore in each can? I'd have to be able to produce a can every second to keep up with that kind of rate. I'd need over 100 corpmates in the one spot and considering I have 1 corpmate and even our two ships can't be close enough that all cans he makes are accessible to me without moving.
If they're all decoys, that seems like a lot of effort to go to when it's easy to stop your ship, arrange them by distance on the scanner and check each one in turn to find the one with all the actual ore in it. This isn't going to stop an ore thief.
Funny idea and a funny picture to go with it but if you were serious, I say stop smoking whatever you were smoking when you thought of that idea ^_^;.
I think theres a slight miscommunication here.
You cant use stack all because each of those 1s are going in a separate container. I jettision 1 of those 1 ores every 3 mins ... after an hour of mining i have 20 containers floating around. I just broke em up into units of 1 so it would be easier for me to jettision. Each of the cans has 1 ore in them... besides the main one which has the main ore.. hey I had some spare ore lying around some time to kill and wanted to give it a shot.
can hopping is supposed to prevent the procedure you mentioned of stopping your ship and checking every can on your screen sequentially. 1st... to have all the cans open on your screen youd have 20+ cans open and the ore is jumping from each can to can :) ( for the ore theif) by the time you move your mouse to grab it ... its already gone from the can. A
if you see an industrial comming towards you ... you commence the can hopping... if they check each one in turn... you move the ore around different cans you have lying around :) or perhaps to one even outside the whole bunch entirely
So to sum it up its like trying to guess a code which changes every second. Thats if we get enuff cans out there.
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SengH
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Posted - 2004.11.09 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 09/11/2004 11:03:54
Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 09/11/2004 10:51:48
Originally by: SengH
would you waste the time grabbing 1 ore tho
Er.. "stack all" that will turn all of those 1's into a single group. If the can is completely full, you can't stack but even if it's full of groups of 1 ore, you can jsut take one out and stack the rest using "stack all".
Or am I missing something?.. Are you putting about a handful of ore in each can? I'd have to be able to produce a can every second to keep up with that kind of rate. I'd need over 100 corpmates in the one spot and considering I have 1 corpmate and even our two ships can't be close enough that all cans he makes are accessible to me without moving.
If they're all decoys, that seems like a lot of effort to go to when it's easy to stop your ship, arrange them by distance on the scanner and check each one in turn to find the one with all the actual ore in it. This isn't going to stop an ore thief.
Funny idea and a funny picture to go with it but if you were serious, I say stop smoking whatever you were smoking when you thought of that idea ^_^;.
I think theres a slight miscommunication here.
You cant use stack all because each of those 1s are going in a separate container. I jettision 1 of those 1 ores every 3 mins ... after an hour of mining i have 20 containers floating around. I just broke em up into units of 1 so it would be easier for me to jettision. Each of the cans has 1 ore in them... besides the main one which has the main ore.. hey I had some spare ore lying around some time to kill and wanted to give it a shot.
can hopping is supposed to prevent the procedure you mentioned of stopping your ship and checking every can on your screen sequentially. 1st... to have all the cans open on your screen youd have 20+ cans open and the ore is jumping from each can to can :) ( for the ore theif) by the time you move your mouse to grab it ... its already gone from the can. A
if you see an industrial comming towards you ... you commence the can hopping... if they check each one in turn... you move the ore around different cans you have lying around :) or perhaps to one even outside the whole bunch entirely
So to sum it up its like trying to guess a code which changes every second. Thats if we get enuff cans out there.
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Merrin Farthing
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:12:00 -
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How about this idea, if you are in a big enough ship you fly to the orethief and hang him on your ship so he will be flying to your ore at 4mps and call for a corpmate in a hauler. If you stick on him like glue he should not be able to get to your ore in time as an added bonus he will not be able to warp out. He will just have to sit there and watch as your corpmates haul all the ore away.
just a thought
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Merrin Farthing
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:12:00 -
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How about this idea, if you are in a big enough ship you fly to the orethief and hang him on your ship so he will be flying to your ore at 4mps and call for a corpmate in a hauler. If you stick on him like glue he should not be able to get to your ore in time as an added bonus he will not be able to warp out. He will just have to sit there and watch as your corpmates haul all the ore away.
just a thought
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:23:00 -
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those giant cans u see coming are supposed to be hanger divisions ;p but im sure if u find a ship with 100m3 space u would make it...
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:23:00 -
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those giant cans u see coming are supposed to be hanger divisions ;p but im sure if u find a ship with 100m3 space u would make it...
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Kaskamar
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:33:00 -
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Shiva dont have any super giant secure containers..they do have a station container..but thats ONLY for station use..to keep your items in different container...
it has 100k room...so..unless you have a ship that can carry 100k..forget it...maybe a titan can :)
se my shop site
http://eve.frimurer.net |
Kaskamar
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Posted - 2004.11.09 11:33:00 -
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Shiva dont have any super giant secure containers..they do have a station container..but thats ONLY for station use..to keep your items in different container...
it has 100k room...so..unless you have a ship that can carry 100k..forget it...maybe a titan can :)
se my shop site
http://eve.frimurer.net |
Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.09 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Qayos
Originally by: Daktor
You are mining plag, you are safe from ore theives. 
Not true. Many ore-thievs stay in high sec space so they can't get attacked. As such, all that is available to them is cheap ore, plag being among them.
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
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Daktor
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Posted - 2004.11.09 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Qayos
Originally by: Daktor
You are mining plag, you are safe from ore theives.
Not true. Many ore-thievs stay in high sec space so they can't get attacked. As such, all that is available to them is cheap ore, plag being among them.
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
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Rana Ash
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Posted - 2004.11.09 13:30:00 -
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It's a fun idea, may work..
Originally by: Daktor
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
Daktor, ore theifs usually steal what ever you got in your can. Be it plag or veld, i once had a theif speed up to my can and steal the 1800 units of veld i had there. He was very proud of himself, made a big deal about it in local
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Rana Ash
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Posted - 2004.11.09 13:30:00 -
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It's a fun idea, may work..
Originally by: Daktor
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
Daktor, ore theifs usually steal what ever you got in your can. Be it plag or veld, i once had a theif speed up to my can and steal the 1800 units of veld i had there. He was very proud of himself, made a big deal about it in local
Plush Bunny
lyret dedreen |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.09 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 08:34:46
I invited Tenaj to dinner in the station but she hasn't grabbed my rocks yet. 
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2004.11.09 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/11/2004 08:34:46
I invited Tenaj to dinner in the station but she hasn't grabbed my rocks yet.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
The Chef
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Posted - 2004.11.09 15:29:00 -
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The alternative is to move out to 0.4 or lower. Instead of ore thieves, you get pirates trying to gank you. But then, at least you can fight back 
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.11.09 15:29:00 -
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The alternative is to move out to 0.4 or lower. Instead of ore thieves, you get pirates trying to gank you. But then, at least you can fight back
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 09/11/2004 11:03:54
I think theres a slight miscommunication here.
You cant use stack all because each of those 1s are going in a separate container. I jettision 1 of those 1 ores every 3 mins ... after an hour of mining i have 20 containers floating around. I just broke em up into units of 1 so it would be easier for me to jettision. Each of the cans has 1 ore in them... besides the main one which has the main ore.. hey I had some spare ore lying around some time to kill and wanted to give it a shot.
I think i covered that somwhere in my post. If you're splitting the ore between loads of cans, you're wasting time. There's no way that could be useful in practice.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 09/11/2004 11:03:54
I think theres a slight miscommunication here.
You cant use stack all because each of those 1s are going in a separate container. I jettision 1 of those 1 ores every 3 mins ... after an hour of mining i have 20 containers floating around. I just broke em up into units of 1 so it would be easier for me to jettision. Each of the cans has 1 ore in them... besides the main one which has the main ore.. hey I had some spare ore lying around some time to kill and wanted to give it a shot.
I think i covered that somwhere in my post. If you're splitting the ore between loads of cans, you're wasting time. There's no way that could be useful in practice.
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.11.09 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Helplessandlost on 09/11/2004 18:27:53
Originally by: Rana Ash
It's a fun idea, may work..
Originally by: Daktor
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
Daktor, ore theifs usually steal what ever you got in your can. Be it plag or veld, i once had a theif speed up to my can and steal the 1800 units of veld i had there. He was very proud of himself, made a big deal about it in local
I had one the other day <cough> cold sweetness <cough> who swooped in, stole my place marker BM and then when asked in local proceeded to say she thought it was a station bm - why that would help i've no idea, but then anyway she returned my BM in mutiple copies as if that was supposed to be a good thing. Did i mention she was using a kessie to ore steal in 
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.11.09 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Helplessandlost on 09/11/2004 18:27:53
Originally by: Rana Ash
It's a fun idea, may work..
Originally by: Daktor
IT was a joke, see. Plag is the worst ore you can mine in the regions I frequent, on a profit/time basis. No self respecting ore thief would bother stealing your plag, is the joke.
Daktor, ore theifs usually steal what ever you got in your can. Be it plag or veld, i once had a theif speed up to my can and steal the 1800 units of veld i had there. He was very proud of himself, made a big deal about it in local
I had one the other day <cough> cold sweetness <cough> who swooped in, stole my place marker BM and then when asked in local proceeded to say she thought it was a station bm - why that would help i've no idea, but then anyway she returned my BM in mutiple copies as if that was supposed to be a good thing. Did i mention she was using a kessie to ore steal in
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Caladras
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Posted - 2004.11.09 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Caladras on 09/11/2004 18:39:10
Ah, mayhaps I am hoping for too much from CCP, but didn't they say that in Exodus the criminal flagging system tags people for stealing (aka taking something like ore out of a can that is not theirs) ? If this is so, ore thieves will be forced to run to low-sec space to dodge concord, and then you can shoot them anyway  . Unless I gravely misread the part on criminal flagging, who here thinks that this is the solution to the problem? Of course, then you will have a huge number of thieves stealing ore and running to safe spots or warping through somehow. . . Personally I don't see how CCP is okay with allowing an un-passworded little can to hold 27,500m3, while humungus secure cans only hold 3900 . . . 
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Caladras
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Posted - 2004.11.09 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Caladras on 09/11/2004 18:39:10
Ah, mayhaps I am hoping for too much from CCP, but didn't they say that in Exodus the criminal flagging system tags people for stealing (aka taking something like ore out of a can that is not theirs) ? If this is so, ore thieves will be forced to run to low-sec space to dodge concord, and then you can shoot them anyway . Unless I gravely misread the part on criminal flagging, who here thinks that this is the solution to the problem? Of course, then you will have a huge number of thieves stealing ore and running to safe spots or warping through somehow. . . Personally I don't see how CCP is okay with allowing an un-passworded little can to hold 27,500m3, while humungus secure cans only hold 3900 . . .
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.11.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Helplessandlost
I had one the other day <cough> cold sweetness <cough> who swooped in, stole my place marker BM and then when asked in local proceeded to say she thought it was a station bm - why that would help i've no idea, but then anyway she returned my BM in mutiple copies as if that was supposed to be a good thing. Did i mention she was using a kessie to ore steal in
Hey you gotta start somewhere! I stole my first ore in a probe. A couple of runs and it can finance the first indy. In fact I think you were among the suppliers! I distinctly remember you. At least you were a good sport and not flinging insults.
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.11.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Helplessandlost
I had one the other day <cough> cold sweetness <cough> who swooped in, stole my place marker BM and then when asked in local proceeded to say she thought it was a station bm - why that would help i've no idea, but then anyway she returned my BM in mutiple copies as if that was supposed to be a good thing. Did i mention she was using a kessie to ore steal in
Hey you gotta start somewhere! I stole my first ore in a probe. A couple of runs and it can finance the first indy. In fact I think you were among the suppliers! I distinctly remember you. At least you were a good sport and not flinging insults.
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