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Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote I am deeply fascinated by the factional warfare element of EvE. I noticed the gallente are not doing so hot right now. I aim to change that. However I have a few questions before I make any sort of commitment. I have Diplomacy trained to level 5, does this mean I can un-enlist at any time and be able to travel anywhere in high-sec uninhibited? What is the cheapest, least costly way to participate in and enjoy factional warfare? (ie What Ships/Fits/Activities) What happens if I get pod killed and sent to a station that moments later is no longer friendly? Can I still upgrade my clone or jump clone or set a new home station? As a 1 girl army, how much can I expect to make iskwise? Thanks in advance. Will consult for ISK
Pisov viet Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.06.16 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: I have Diplomacy trained to level 5, does this mean I can un-enlist at any time and be able to travel anywhere in high-sec uninhibited? You can only enlist if you have a positive standing with that faction. You will get shot by the other faction police if you go in their highsec. Quote: What is the cheapest, least costly way to participate in and enjoy factional warfare? (ie What Ships/Fits/Activities) Frigate. Any kind. Quote: What happens if I get pod killed and sent to a station that moments later is no longer friendly? Can I still upgrade my clone or jump clone or set a new home station? Yes. Quote: As a 1 girl army, how much can I expect to make iskwise? Depends of how well the faction is doing.
baltec1 1452	Posted - 2012.06.16 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote My FW ship costs 500k fully fitted
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote What if I decide I want to stop for awhile, If I leave the navy/war effort will my lvl 5 Diplomacy be enough to allow me to go to high sec space of all factions without getting shot at? Will consult for ISK
Moonasha Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 85	Posted - 2012.06.16 17:57:00 - [5] - Quote Costs a lot of our members nothing. They get a free ship, insure it, get blown up gloriously in battle, then make money off the insurance. If you're careful with your standings and don't shoot opposite faction rats you should be fine. Personally, it's more fun when you stop caring about that **** though.
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:03:00 - [6] - Quote Moonasha wrote: Costs a lot of our members nothing. They get a free ship, insure it, get blown up gloriously in battle, then make money off the insurance. If you're careful with your standings and don't shoot opposite faction rats you should be fine. Personally, it's more fun when you stop caring about that **** though. So, are you implying that it is possible to take over stations and blow up players or do missions without losing standing with caldari/amarr? What I asked originally was if Diplomacy 5 gives enough of a boost to my standings that no matter what I do after I leave the militia I will be able to go to high sec places of those factions. Will consult for ISK
baltec1 1452	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:07:00 - [7] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Moonasha wrote: Costs a lot of our members nothing. They get a free ship, insure it, get blown up gloriously in battle, then make money off the insurance. If you're careful with your standings and don't shoot opposite faction rats you should be fine. Personally, it's more fun when you stop caring about that **** though. So, are you implying that it is possible to take over stations and blow up players or do missions without losing standing with caldari/amarr? What I asked originally was if Diplomacy 5 gives enough of a boost to my standings that no matter what I do after I leave the militia I will be able to go to high sec places of those factions. You can allways grind up the status again. Having said that I did a one man invasion of gal space when FW first came about and I am still shoot on sight there
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:16:00 - [8] - Quote Well if I have to grind statuses up again then that is a deal breaker for me. I want to be able to disengage from that play style on the fly and be able to go back to the way things were... Do the enemy factions shoot your pod or just your ship? Will consult for ISK
baltec1 1452	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:17:00 - [9] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Well if I have to grind statuses up again then that is a deal breaker for me. I want to be able to disengage from that play style on the fly and be able to go back to the way things were... Do the enemy factions shoot your pod or just your ship? NPC navies wont go for the pod.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 552	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:20:00 - [10] - Quote baltec1 wrote: My FW ship costs 500k fully fitted Tjata just a farmer in a rifter without guns. Don't call that FW.
baltec1 1453	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:26:00 - [11] - Quote Lexmana wrote: baltec1 wrote: My FW ship costs 500k fully fitted Tjata just a farmer in a rifter without guns. Don't call that FW. Griffins my good man griffins.
Lexmana Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 552	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:42:00 - [12] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Lexmana wrote: baltec1 wrote: My FW ship costs 500k fully fitted Tjata just a farmer in a rifter without guns. Don't call that FW. Griffins my good man griffins. I see. I don't fly them but they are indeed useful (and annoying). My apologies.
Jafit Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 231	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:48:00 - [13] - Quote I'm so sad that you didn't get onto the CSM... Also if you're worried about your standings make an alt and do FW on that., in a frigate. If you want to have fun in this game usually your isk per hour has to take a little hit.
Zoe Athame Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 74	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:52:00 - [14] - Quote The cheapest way to participate is to fly in a fleet. You won't get far as a one-girl army.
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:59:00 - [15] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: The cheapest way to participate is to fly in a fleet. You won't get far as a one-girl army. Yeah, the issue with that is people tend to dislike me. I am really strange and that might discourage people from fleeting with me or trusting me. The majority of administrative or leadership positions I have been in with eve were only achieved by force of one form or another. I actually cannot think of a single standing or position I have had in eve that was just given to me out of trust. One of my questions remains unanswered. Is it possible to kill my standing and still have enough standing because of diplomacy 5 that I can go to jita and other high sec places of said faction? Will consult for ISK
baltec1 1453	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:11:00 - [16] - Quote Xenuria wrote: One of my questions remains unanswered. Is it possible to kill my standing and still have enough standing because of diplomacy 5 that I can go to jita and other high sec places of said faction? If you want to have fun then no. Although you can pilot an iteron through the gate police rather easily.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 136	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:13:00 - [17] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Is it possible to kill my standing and still have enough standing because of diplomacy 5 that I can go to jita and other high sec places of said faction? I was wondering about this myself. I'm assuming that you can leave the militia and fly through enemy space without getting shot. Would be nice if someone could verify this.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 136	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:15:00 - [18] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Xenuria wrote: One of my questions remains unanswered. Is it possible to kill my standing and still have enough standing because of diplomacy 5 that I can go to jita and other high sec places of said faction? If you want to have fun then no. Although you can pilot an iteron through the gate police rather easily. Is it just a loss in standing that effects your ability to do missions and access certian station features, but it doesn't hurt you enough that faction NPC's will be hostile to the point of shooting you if you leave the militia?
baltec1 1453	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:22:00 - [19] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: baltec1 wrote: Xenuria wrote: One of my questions remains unanswered. Is it possible to kill my standing and still have enough standing because of diplomacy 5 that I can go to jita and other high sec places of said faction? If you want to have fun then no. Although you can pilot an iteron through the gate police rather easily. Is it just a loss in standing that effects your ability to do missions and access certian station features, but it doesn't hurt you enough that faction NPC's will be hostile to the point of shooting you if you leave the militia? Im still get shot at by the gal navy several years after leaving the war
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:38:00 - [20] - Quote But do you have diplomacy skill trained up to 5? Will consult for ISK
Grumpy Owly Paladin Philanthropists 638	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:50:00 - [21] - Quote http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standings_mechanics Bounty Hunting for CSM7
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1300	Posted - 2012.06.16 20:02:00 - [22] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Well if I have to grind statuses up again then that is a deal breaker for me. I want to be able to disengage from that play style on the fly and be able to go back to the way things were... Do the enemy factions shoot your pod or just your ship? As long as you shoot PLAYERS you won't lose 0.000001 standings at all and when you get out you can resume your former life. If you shoot plexes structures or do vs faction missions you quickly lose standings, but that's PvE. Well, this was the situation when I have been in FW (2009-10) not sure it's still like then. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:02:00 - [23] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Xenuria wrote: Well if I have to grind statuses up again then that is a deal breaker for me. I want to be able to disengage from that play style on the fly and be able to go back to the way things were... Do the enemy factions shoot your pod or just your ship? As long as you shoot PLAYERS you won't lose 0.000001 standings at all and when you get out you can resume your former life. If you shoot plexes structures or do vs faction missions you quickly lose standings, but that's PvE. Well, this was the situation when I have been in FW (2009-10) not sure it's still like then. I have no interest in shooting other players... I want to bring The Gallente Federation to victory. I want to push that blue bar all the way to the right side of the screen and have all the dots in the box underneath that be blue as well. This is my motivation. Can I do it? Will consult for ISK
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 468	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:10:00 - [24] - Quote You will have to shoot faction ships to clear the sites. You will take a standing hit to do it. You either need to accept that your standings with that faction will drop and work to bring it back up or forget it. Check out the new Orca model, brought to you by the Unified Inventory System http://i.imgur.com/InJgK.jpg-á
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:14:00 - [25] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: You will have to shoot faction ships to clear the sites. You will take a standing hit to do it. You either need to accept that your standings with that faction will drop and work to bring it back up or forget it. Yes.. I understand that now. My next question is how long will it take and how hard will it be? Assuming I have unlimited supply of isk and the best ships/fits, how long will it take before I have won the war and beaten eve. Will consult for ISK
Tony Two Bullet Monocle Madness The Mockers AO 5	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:15:00 - [26] - Quote I have Diplomacy trained to level 5, does this mean I can un-enlist at any time and be able to travel anywhere in high-sec uninhibited? Only as long as you stay above -5. What is the cheapest, least costly way to participate in and enjoy factional warfare? (ie What Ships/Fits/Activities) The new frigate rebalancing is going nicely. Nothing cheaper than a frigate with some guns and flying out there! What happens if I get pod killed and sent to a station that moments later is no longer friendly? Can I still upgrade my clone or jump clone or set a new home station? That's a good question. I'm not sure what happens to skill clones in enemy stations! As a 1 girl army, how much can I expect to make iskwise? Not as much as playing our new lottery, Monocle Madness. Good luck in your endeavors! CEO-á Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com
ModeratedToSilence Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:31:00 - [27] - Quote I have spent 40 mil on 5 frigates and shipped them all to a high sec neighbouring system to my Faction Warfare playground. These 5 frigates are capable of semi afking minor/normal/major sites. Since Incarna went I live I have made about 2.6mil LP. TL:DR; FW is the new low input max isk return game in Eve get in before its nerfed. PS If I see Xenuria in my FW militia I will shoot purples.
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 02:51:00 - [28] - Quote ModeratedToSilence wrote: I have spent 40 mil on 5 frigates and shipped them all to a high sec neighbouring system to my Faction Warfare playground. These 5 frigates are capable of semi afking minor/normal/major sites. Since Incarna went I live I have made about 2.6mil LP. TL:DR; FW is the new low input max isk return game in Eve get in before its nerfed. PS If I see Xenuria in my FW militia I will shoot purples. Can you do that? Shoot allies in your FW without getting concorded Will consult for ISK
Private Pineapple Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 90	Posted - 2012.06.17 02:55:00 - [29] - Quote While shooting down enemy navy ships in a FW complex will give you a standing hit, capturing the plex will not. Simply speedtank them to capture the complex. Yes, FW is that broken and everything can be speedtanked. Zero risk, Great reward FW... yeah, FW needs to be balanced! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119886 Support Damen Apol's FW proposal! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119683
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote Private Pineapple wrote: While shooting down enemy navy ships in a FW complex will give you a standing hit, capturing the plex will not. Simply speedtank them to capture the complex. Yes, FW is that broken and everything can be speedtanked. You seem to be in almost every thread I post. Are you a real poster or another one of my hallucinations? So to capture a plex I suppose I have to click something or fly near something? What? Will consult for ISK
Lipbite Express Hauler 85	Posted - 2012.06.17 11:06:00 - [31] - Quote Xenuria wrote: So to capture a plex I suppose I have to click something or fly near something? What? You can try it on test server. Here is the sequence: 1) get into enemy system; 2) use on-board scanner to find plex beacons; 3) warp to plex - you'll see either gates with restrictions (minor or standard plexes) or beacon itself (for major plexes) - enter gates if needed; 4) there will be rats and "button" - you can ignore rats and fly in circles around the button. Depending on plex size you have to fly for 10-20 minutes with maximum radius 15-25km (there will be countdown timer on interface - if not you are too far); 5) 10-30k LP in the end (divided by amount of players around), faction dogtags (if you shot rats), some faction status boost; 6) ???? 7) profit.
Barrak Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 29	Posted - 2012.06.17 11:14:00 - [32] - Quote You were correct earlier..... you are certainly odd!
Marcus Harikari Guitar Players of EVE 65	Posted - 2012.06.17 13:02:00 - [33] - Quote Xenuria wrote: MadMuppet wrote: You will have to shoot faction ships to clear the sites. You will take a standing hit to do it. You either need to accept that your standings with that faction will drop and work to bring it back up or forget it. Yes.. I understand that now. My next question is how long will it take and how hard will it be? Assuming I have unlimited supply of isk and the best ships/fits, how long will it take before I have won the war and beaten eve. exactly 326.73 hours of constant gameplay
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 13:39:00 - [34] - Quote No Really... How much effort would it take to win the war against caldari? What happens when the war is won? Is there some kind of huge system wide announcement about how Xenuria single handedly defeated the caldari or does it just sit there at 100% until it goes back or another expansion comes out? Will consult for ISK
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 104	Posted - 2012.06.17 14:03:00 - [35] - Quote Xenuria wrote: No Really... How much effort would it take to win the war against caldari? What happens when the war is won? Is there some kind of huge system wide announcement about how Xenuria single handedly defeated the caldari or does it just sit there at 100% until it goes back or another expansion comes out? From what I hear, soft music plays and a pack of small children holding flowers appear before you.
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 16:35:00 - [36] - Quote Does CCP at least make another chronicle about me or do they just do some kind of News Article? I mean can anybody or a dev confirm what actually happens? I think it's a fair question to ask.. Will consult for ISK
baltec1 1466	Posted - 2012.06.17 16:43:00 - [37] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Can you do that? Shoot allies in your FW without getting concorded Concord have no power in low sec
Xenuria Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 535	Posted - 2012.06.17 21:05:00 - [38] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Xenuria wrote: Can you do that? Shoot allies in your FW without getting concorded Concord have no power in low sec Thank you Captain Obvious... I was not referring to low sec. If I am in dodixie and I am in the Gallente militia, can other people in the same militia shoot at me or aggress me? Will consult for ISK

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