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spongebobbb
Amarr Chewin' The Fat
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Posted - 2009.11.29 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: spongebobbb on 29/11/2009 01:49:49 Edited by: spongebobbb on 29/11/2009 01:49:23 Salvia,
100% legal but still bad mmmmmmmaky
salvia
vid dosn't work. click link funny salvia trip , on the right
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BwanaKuu
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Posted - 2009.11.29 02:48:00 -
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first, cannabis is perfectly safe
salvia on the other hand can really **** with you if you have a bad trip
people commit suicide while on salvia because they see something so depressing
i never have the desire to try it, too intense and not worth it
actually, anything beyond weed is pretty much off limits for me
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.29 02:49:00 -
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I prefer my legal pot in California... it's cheaper and works longer 
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.29 03:12:00 -
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War on Drugs is bad, M'Kay?
It makes it possible for the government that passed the laws to do the drug smuggling, M'Kay?
Then when the prisons system is depending on how many people are in it for funding, they put non-violent victimless crime offenders in them to make the total population exceed that of the rest of the world combined, M'Kay?
And then, under the laws passed because of the war on victimless crime, people are having their property taken in violation of common law and the Fourth and Fifth Amendments (USC) without due process (no judge, no jury), NO CHARGES.
So people telling other people what to do is bad, M'kay?
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.11.29 04:27:00 -
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funny, isn't alcohol more dangerous than pot?
just getting my facts straight.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.29 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Peryner funny, isn't alcohol more dangerous than pot?
just getting my facts straight.
yes, yes it is. With alcohol, you can drink and drink and drink and drink until you black out (not pass out, but BLACK OUT) which is really, really unhealthy..Aside from possibly waking up with a tampon in your ass and a dress on, falling asleep when you "black out" can kill you.
When you smoke too much pot, you just fall asleep (or eat all of the food in your parents'/girlfriend's refrigerator.)
Alcohol is MUCH worse than pot when you consider what tequila does to people. Other liquors impair you, pot makes you hungry/sleepy/laugh a lot, but I know plenty of people who just get really ****ed off when they drink tequila..
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.29 05:24:00 -
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On the other hand... you smoke pot until you're permanently stupid, become a republican, get elected, and invade iraq! 
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Sviatoslav KillJoy
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.11.29 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker On the other hand... you smoke pot until you're permanently stupid, become a republican, get elected, and invade iraq! 
Whats so wrong with that? What if some people like doing that stuff? Huh? Huh? Huh? 
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.29 08:49:00 -
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You know a situation is truly SNAFUd when Herzog Wolfhammer is the voice of reason on the subject.
Herzog. 
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.29 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis You know a situation is truly SNAFUd when Herzog Wolfhammer is the voice of reason on the subject.
Herzog. 
lulz this.
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Dannerkongen
Lootex
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Posted - 2009.11.29 12:11:00 -
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im glad that theres a huge bunch of losers doing all kinds of drugs like crack, beer and fat.
more weed for me then+ i can laugh and point at all the fat bastards and the junkies and the most pathetic of them all the alcolosers.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis You know a situation is truly SNAFUd when Herzog Wolfhammer is the voice of reason on the subject.
Herzog. 
You really don't want to know how I see this world. The only reason why I share my viewpoints is to punish everybody for their ignorance. 
I know people in politics. Sometimes I do security work for them. But they will never let me take a podium. You see, when I see someone being ignorant, I treat that ignorance like a third arm growing out of the middle of their chest. I rip it out and then start beating them with it.
For this I cannot side with "right versus left" because they contradict, and it's false paradigm to keep us fighting each other. But when such arguments occur, I feel like the driver of the short bus and would sooner pull over and leave the tards on the roadside for the wolves because the arguments and their variations have tortured my senses for so long I have had enough.
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Malcanis You know a situation is truly SNAFUd when Herzog Wolfhammer is the voice of reason on the subject.
Herzog. 
You really don't want to know how I see this world. The only reason why I share my viewpoints is to punish everybody for their ignorance. 
I know people in politics. Sometimes I do security work for them. But they will never let me take a podium. You see, when I see someone being ignorant, I treat that ignorance like a third arm growing out of the middle of their chest. I rip it out and then start beating them with it.
For this I cannot side with "right versus left" because they contradict, and it's false paradigm to keep us fighting each other. But when such arguments occur, I feel like the driver of the short bus and would sooner pull over and leave the tards on the roadside for the wolves because the arguments and their variations have tortured my senses for so long I have had enough.
I hear yah man
I hate when I say something that's "leftist" and suddenly all the left nut jobs are rallying saying I think the left are better than the right. and if i say something that happens to be in line with the right, suddenly I agree with everything the right does.
god the ignorance is as thick as cream. god forbid people have their own opinions and think for themselves instead of following some left vs. right handbook.
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red righthand
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Posted - 2009.11.30 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Peryner
god forbid people have their own opinions and think for themselves instead of following some left vs. right handbook.
The illusion of choice is just another form of control.
(Welcome to the matrix)
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.30 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2009 10:06:48
Alcohol, and I will repeat this, is NOT worse for you than cannabis.
NOT worse.
the thing about alcohol relative to cannabis is that, where Alcohol can kill you in one night of drinking too much, cannabis can and will sure-fire kill you over a lifetime of smoking too much.
One is not "worse" or "better" than the other - both of them are drugs, both of them come with their effects on your health.
Now, I like beer a lot. I'll never say no to it if I don't have a good reason not to drink (such as needing to drive somewhere). But I don't chuck back a six-pack of cheap lager every evening after work, instead I have one bottle of real ale about two times a week.
You know what that bottle does to me? Pretty much nothing. It tastes nice and there's just enough alcohol in there to get the tension out, but the effect on my health is negligible. According to everything I've ever seen about alcohol, I could follow that pattern for my entire life and it wouldn't affect my later-life quality at all.
By contrast, if I were to follow the same pattern with wacky 'baccy, then in thirty years time I'd have an elevated risk of lung cancer and paranoid schizophrenia.
If I were for some reason to step up to a much heavier intake of either substance - say, five a day - then in ten years' time I would be looking at chronic damage to my liver on the alcohol, plus addiction-based personality changes... and structural abnormalities in my brain on the weed, in addition to the lower-intake risks AND the risks associated with heavy chain smoking AND addiction-based personality changes.
Remember: just because weed can't kill you in one overdose, does NOT mean it has no negative side effects. And by contrast, just because alcohol CAN kill you in one overdose does not mean that it cannot be consumed safely and responsibly.
Everything is bad for you in excess. My personal benchmark is whether or not it's bad for me in moderation too, which cannabis is, and alcohol is not. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |

karma militia
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Posted - 2009.11.30 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2009 10:06:48
Alcohol, and I will repeat this, is NOT worse for you than cannabis.
NOT worse.
the thing about alcohol relative to cannabis is that, where Alcohol can kill you in one night of drinking too much, cannabis can and will sure-fire kill you over a lifetime of smoking too much.
One is not "worse" or "better" than the other - both of them are drugs, both of them come with their effects on your health.
Now, I like beer a lot. I'll never say no to it if I don't have a good reason not to drink (such as needing to drive somewhere). But I don't chuck back a six-pack of cheap lager every evening after work, instead I have one bottle of real ale about two times a week.
You know what that bottle does to me? Pretty much nothing. It tastes nice and there's just enough alcohol in there to get the tension out, but the effect on my health is negligible. According to everything I've ever seen about alcohol, I could follow that pattern for my entire life and it wouldn't affect my later-life quality at all.
By contrast, if I were to follow the same pattern with wacky 'baccy, then in thirty years time I'd have an elevated risk of lung cancer and paranoid schizophrenia.
If I were for some reason to step up to a much heavier intake of either substance - say, five a day - then in ten years' time I would be looking at chronic damage to my liver on the alcohol, plus addiction-based personality changes... and structural abnormalities in my brain on the weed, in addition to the lower-intake risks AND the risks associated with heavy chain smoking AND addiction-based personality changes.
Remember: just because weed can't kill you in one overdose, does NOT mean it has no negative side effects. And by contrast, just because alcohol CAN kill you in one overdose does not mean that it cannot be consumed safely and responsibly.
Everything is bad for you in excess. My personal benchmark is whether or not it's bad for me in moderation too, which cannabis is, and alcohol is not.
you say 'structual abnormalities' as if it's a bad thing?
Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:09:00 -
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For a moment I thought this thread was about JENKEM ...
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Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 30/11/2009 22:31:24 First off I do not think that anyone is implying that smoking anything does not have negative side effects, but if you do a good bit of solid aerobic activity daily that can and will counter much of the negative side effects of both substances.
Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2009 10:06:48
Alcohol, and I will repeat this, is NOT worse for you than cannabis.
NOT worse.
Tell that to all the people that have loved ones killed from individuals that drank too much, then tell that to all the people that had loved ones die from a driver that was too stoned 
Originally by: Stitcher The thing about alcohol relative to cannabis is that, where Alcohol can kill you in one night of drinking too much, cannabis can and will sure-fire kill you over a lifetime of smoking too much.
One is not "worse" or "better" than the other - both of them are drugs, both of them come with their effects on your health.
  
Could you please show me the research that supports your claims? Let me tell you that there is almost zero unbiased research doen on the effects of marijuanna and you dag on for sure have slim to no anecdotal evidence to support your claims.
Any pot smoker that dies of smoking related issues probably smoke cigarettes also. That makes for extremely lack luster evidence if you know anything about how research is conducted And yes there are many pot smokers that do not smoke cigarettes and I also know many pot smokers form the 60's that have not had any issues with long/throat/or mouth cancers.
Also, all primates that died in extremely early government funded experiments died from the fact that the researchers pumped so much smoke into the chambers that the primates died of asphyxiation 
Originally by: Stitcher Everything is bad for you in excess. My personal benchmark is whether or not it's bad for me in moderation too, which cannabis is, and alcohol is not.
I will grant you the potential that you may not be able to handle your pot, but that statement is utterly laughable in the grand scheme of things and how people handle themselves while in inebriated states.
The rest of your post about moderation and the such is true.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 01/12/2009 14:01:09
Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2009 10:06:48
uninformed drivel
Learn before you speak, and try learning from a different source than one that has a self interest in keeping the plant illegal.
Try the Harm Reduction Journal's Report on Cannabis for starters. They disagree on just about all of your points.
Your claim: Lung Cancer. Quote: However, despite the fact that cannabis smoke does produce cellular changes that are viewed as precancerous, a major epidemiological study does not find that cannabis smoking is associated with tobacco related cancers [92]. A number of recent studies provide a scientific foundation for the clear relationship between tobacco smoking and lung cancer, a relationship that does not hold true for cannabis smoke
Researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLAÆs David Geffen School of Medicine disagrees too. Quote: ôBut we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy ********* smoking.ö
But inhaling any smoke is bad, so vaporizing is the preferred method of inhaled administration. More traditionally, cannabis is eaten.
Schizophrenia?
A study from Keele University entitled öAssessing the impact of cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005″ (published April '08) showed Quote: ôThis study does not therefore support the à link between cannabis use and incidence of psychotic disorders,ö the study concludes, adding ôThis concurs with other reports indicating that increases in population cannabis use have not been followed by increases in psychotic incidence.ö
So, in short, you're wrong.
As a matter of fact...
Originally by: Harm Reduction Journal Numerous cancer types are killed in cell cultures and in animals by cannabinoids. For example, cannabinoids kill the cancer cells of various lymphoblastic malignancies such as leukemia and lymphoma [68], skin cancer [69], glioma [70], breast and prostate cancer [71], pheochromocytoma [72], thyroid cancer [73], and colorectal cancer[74].
Mark Twain said it best - "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Do yourself a favor, and read something besides DARE pamphlets.
Full name of MJ is censored It's not a bad word CCP, let's get that one fixed, k? __________________________________________
It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other. |

NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 01/12/2009 14:21:58 Oh, and if you cba to read, here's a "Two Minute Truths" from MPP.
Does ********* Cause Lung Cancer
As a matter of fact, watch all of them, and visit MPP's website.
edit: ARRRRG, damn misguided censorship again! __________________________________________
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 16:24:00 -
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Sex, drugs and rock&roll holiday to Amsterdam guys? 
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2009 10:06:48
Alcohol, and I will repeat this, is NOT worse for you than cannabis.
NOT worse.
Ugh. Working in medecine, I hate statements like these.
Have you ever worked in ER on friday or saturday night? Injured drunk, dead drunk, injured family hit by driving drunk. Alcohol is a terrible terrible drug when not consumed in moderation. And many many people have problems moderating.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kappas. on 01/12/2009 18:03:18
Originally by: NyteTyger Uninformed drivel
I can count on absolutely no hands the amount of people I know who smoke canabis who have a vaporiser, most of them have it in joints which have no filters on them barring a roach of rolled up paper or card. Considering how most of my friends smoke it that's quite a few.
I could also quote anyone else saying just as many bad things about cannabis causing mental health issues in later life as well as the obvious extreme paranoia most heavy users normally experience (including the local drug dealer).
I'd much rather be at a party where everyone was out of their face on alcohol and having a great time than sitting in a room with people falling asleep on a couch. __________________
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 01/12/2009 18:17:04
Originally by: Kappas. Edited by: Kappas. on 01/12/2009 18:03:18 I can count on absolutely no hands the amount of people I know who smoke canabis who have a vaporiser, most of them have it in joints which have no filters on them barring a roach of rolled up paper or card. Considering how most of my friends smoke it that's quite a few.
Then that is your friends making a poor health decision, not the fault of cannabis.
Quote: I could also quote anyone else saying just as many bad things about cannabis causing mental health issues in later life as well as the obvious extreme paranoia most heavy users normally experience (including the local drug dealer).
Find one published in a peer reviewed journal that has not been discredited for poor statistical analysis.
As far as paranoia, once again that is more relative to the user. It is also dependent on strain, Sativa dominant phenos especially are known to have a 'racier' high. If the prohibition on cannabis were removed, people would be able to choose strains, virtually eliminating 'paranoia'. Much like you can choose between beer, liquor, and wine.
As far as the dealer is concerned, well, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. 
Quote: I'd much rather be at a party where everyone was out of their face on alcohol and having a great time than sitting in a room with people falling asleep on a couch.
Personal preference. I prefer hanging out with a group of folks that are more calm, can speak coherently, and are less prone to aggression. Ask any cop, you much prefer to bust up a group of tokers than a keg party, speaking from experience. __________________________________________
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.12.02 02:01:00 -
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I think her point is weed is not dangerous, smoking is dangerous.
Smoking ANYTHING is dangerous. Smoking weed is safer than cigs. Smoking is not safe.
However drinking alcohol is 30 times more dangerous than eating pot. Or using a vaporizer.
Also you know they say one cup of beer kills 98% of brain activity? Pot isn't much better, but it doesn't stop your brain form working, it, alters it.
in my opinion It's all about moderation.
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hall vinal
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Posted - 2009.12.02 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: hall vinal on 02/12/2009 02:34:17
Originally by: Kappas. I can count on absolutely no hands the amount of people I know who smoke canabis who have a vaporiser, most of them have it in joints which have no filters on them barring a roach of rolled up paper or card. Considering how most of my friends smoke it that's quite a few.
I could also quote anyone else saying just as many bad things about cannabis causing mental health issues in later life as well as the obvious extreme paranoia most heavy users normally experience (including the local drug dealer).
Well the drug dealer obviously has a very reason to be paranoid he is dealing in illegal substances after all.
The tobacco smoke is simply much more harmful to your lungs due to components of tobacco leaves than pot smoke. This is why they can't see a correlation between smoking pot and lung cancer like they can see it for tobacco users even though cigarettes now come with filters and pot is smoked without. What's more, researchers from Harvard say that there is evidence that ingredients of pot help prevent lung cancer from growing (linkage). There have been studies done in other universities like UCLA that fail to confirm any link between lung cancer and smoking pot. For those of you who have no to very little education in sciences and don't understand this, I will explain that places like Harvard and UCLA are considered to be among the top in research in such areas of study in this country and employ some of the best research groups.
Originally by: Kappas. I'd much rather be at a party where everyone was out of their face on alcohol and having a great time than sitting in a room with people falling asleep on a couch.
Then perhaps it would help you to know that alcohol is classified as a depressant. A few drinks help people feel more relaxed, but over a few drinks it triggers some other much more nasty feeling in people such as depression, suicidal thoughts, and aggression towards others, all of which persistent alcohol abusers may experience. I've seen people start crying for no good reason when they drank one too many. Always freaks me out. Never seen this happen with pot. In my country where alcohol abuse is very common so are murders facilitates by alcohol. Usually family members getting drunk together, then starting an argument about politics, or money or whatever, then when the argument gets heated somebody ends up dead.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.02 05:39:00 -
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I would like to point out an interesting tidbit:
I worked with a "Master Chef" at a restaurant this summer. He's been cooking (and smoking) for about 40 years now. He doesn't have any problems like what the propaganda vs ********* says he should have, he's perfectly healthy and the worst I have seen is an occasional bout of forgetfulness when cooking something in the kitchen and something else out on the grill (but this is typical of what happens when you get too busy).
My grandmother is a nurse with 20 years' experience in a university hospital's trauma center, as well as a bit over 20 years as a medical officer in the Air Force. She's seen horrible, horrible things happen to people involving alcohol (nasty car accidents, overdrinking, violence, etc) but in her time she NEVER saw any injuries relating to someone who had just been smoking pot. Furthermore, she thinks that it should be decriminalized, and would like to look into growing it for medicinal purposes (something I'd help with) XD
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