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sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 20:28:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Someone explain to me how that is not a broken mechanic. Doesn't require 1 isk to defend, you can either bring in corporations into your alliance or - get this - actually defend yourselves using combat ships and stuff.. hope that helped o7 o7
Or, you can leave a docked holder and drop temporarily to another corp/npc corp. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.16 20:30:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
1.Goons wouldn't last a second in a real sandbox.
2.You are being a ****** by trying to reason with Goons. They know they are lying vermin. They never stop lying. Treating them like they want honest discourse is ********.
Show me on the Exhumer model where the bad Goon touched you. Is that supposed to be clever? Oh, you were mad. I'm sorry, I thought you were trying to be clever.
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sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:03:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Someone explain to me how that is not a broken mechanic. Doesn't require 1 isk to defend, you can either bring in corporations into your alliance or - get this - actually defend yourselves using combat ships and stuff.. hope that helped o7 o7 QFT Attacking is cheap because the attackers are doing it by themselves. If the attackers hired mercs to attack you, it would cost them more too. Solution, if the attackers can succeed without mercs, so can you.
5000 goons can succeed against 3 miners without mercs? You don't say... Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:12:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Implying any nullsec group gives a damn about a bunch of highsec "pvpers".
If goons like the Jita camp, they wouldn't be crying to nerf it. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:33:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:sabre906 wrote:Aiwha wrote:Implying any nullsec group gives a damn about a bunch of highsec "pvpers". If goons like the Jita camp, they wouldn't be crying to nerf it.  If goons are crying about Jita camping, my respect for said goons is dropping a bit. Dodging "mercenaries" and "pvpers" in Jita is as easy as neutral alt.
If goons are that smart, they wouldn't be goons. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:12:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:sabre906 wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:It is banning by other means. That breaks the entire purpose of having allies. I rather go back to the old system then, this is feature is useless if one cannot play with it and push its limits.n. Nothing's stopping you from bringing your "allies" into a mutual alliance. Or having your allies pony up the cash and wardec the aggressors themselves. Or any number of methods that involve actual allies, and not just highsec ganker corps who merely want cost-effective workarounds around having to pay a wardec fee themselves (which I imagine is what you actually want). Nothing prevents you from just fighting the abovementioned people and force them into submission.  Indeed. But this isn't about what I can or cannot do, but about the balance of the wardec system.
Balance is achieved when you're on the right side of the blob? Is that why the defender having allies brings forth butthurt? Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:15:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:sabre906 wrote:Aiwha wrote:Implying any nullsec group gives a damn about a bunch of highsec "pvpers". If goons like the Jita camp, they wouldn't be crying to nerf it.  Just because I can't be bothered to type out a fresh reply, here's one I made earlier. Perhaps you haven't been around very long, or perhaps you don't frequent many other parts of the forum than GD, but you are terribly mistaken. There are certainly members of GS that behave less than prudently on the forums, but that is not to say that all of them behave in such a fashion. If you had bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research you would realise that, for the most part, the GS have made invaluable contributions to this game. Granted there have been some rather major and well publicised negative events involving GS members, but that should in no way over shadow the positive aspects of having GS around. Back in 2004-right through until the arrival of GS we were lumbered with an Alliance that was of the same relative size and power as GS, but who did little to bring about changes that would be of benefit to the masses. GS have, to the annoyance of some, brought about some very good changes to the game, prominent amongst those being the nerfing of Titans, and more recently their requests for Technetium to be redistributed more fairly. The majority of people crying on these forums are not members of GS, but rather those who have little to no understanding of GS, nor of their intentions, even though these intentions should be clear to most by now. Most of the GS members I see "crying" on the forums are actually being ironic, sarcastic or just plain in your face trolling, the laughable thing is that people seem to believe that they really are crying. What is actually happening is that people like you are jumping on the "hate them cos they're bigger than us, wah wah wah" bandwagon, while taking absolutely no time or effort to take a look at things for yourselves. I suggest you go and educate yourself on the "facts" lest you appear more foolish than you already do.
tl;dr:
GS -> "Goon" is like a bad word, so unspeakable it cannot be spelled out. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote: Its about the possibilities of the sandbox. Essentially a trillion isk to mount a massive battle ground means banning massive battles in highsec.
Where exactly are you getting this figure of "a trillion isk". It costs 10M + 10M*n^2 per ally. Which means you could bring on the 9000 pilot "Anti-Goonswarm Alliance" as an ally for 20M isk a week, or whatever. So what 'possibilities' are being restricted?
How much would that 10+10M*n^2 work out for 100 90 pilot "Anti-Goonswarm Alliances?" Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.16 23:40:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: That is exactly what he means.
Yeah of course. I take all this time making a coherent argument that explicitly places itself outside of the Dramabelisk, but I am part of the collective carebear butthurt and the tinfoil hat set. Yeah... 
The butthurt over Jita-camp is strong in this one. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

sabre906
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Posted - 2012.06.17 19:35:00 -
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Commit Sudoku wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote: I am not saying there should be fairness. Quite the contrary. I am saying there should be freedom. Freedom can be unfair.
There is freedom. Plenty of it. We just own more freedom than you.
The Mittiani owns you now, little goon. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
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