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Keith F Caldari United ALT Forces	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:00:00 - [31] GREAT Will this assist in any way with updating Multiple clients on same computer instead of having to manually patch. or copy your main install several times. With that in mind is it possible, or even needed, to actually INSTALL(not Copy) EVE 3-4 times to different locations,ie main to C: alts to D:drive, and then run each alt on a separate client, or just run each on same client,(is there and advantage either way) INFO on this would be greatly appreciated
Isaac Starstriker Amarr The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:01:00 - [32] Awesome, a program I hope I never need. =). Great that your adding it though. Cause who knows, Dominion might throw a curve ball. --Isaac Signature is now under construction: check back in a couple weeks. Or months.... AMAAR VICTOR! "You just can't fix stupid"
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:03:00 - [33] Heh, this is excellent news! ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
S'T'A'L'K'E'R Pirate Academy	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:24:00 - [34] Edited by: S''T''A''L''K''E''R on 30/11/2009 22:24:23 Please, when you release new patch - just give us link on full file on download page. And then you can continue to play with your own downloaders, recieving thousands petitions about bugs and release this repair tools...

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Keith F GREAT Will this assist in any way with updating Multiple clients on same computer instead of having to manually patch. or copy your main install several times. With that in mind is it possible, or even needed, to actually INSTALL(not Copy) EVE 3-4 times to different locations,ie main to C: alts to D:drive, and then run each alt on a separate client, or just run each on same client,(is there and advantage either way) INFO on this would be greatly appreciated If you use the offline downloader (that you get through the website) you can just execute the patcher multiple times, once for each client install. Alternatively, you can just run them all from the same install. Software Engineer Core Engineering


CCP Atropos	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:37:00 - [36] Originally by: S'T'A'L'K'E'R Edited by: S''T''A''L''K''E''R on 30/11/2009 22:24:23 Please, when you release new patch - just give us link on full file on download page. And then you can continue to play with your own downloaders, recieving thousands petitions about bugs and release this repair tools... This is always available; it's the fallback downloader that you can get through the website. Once the Dominion patch is available, I can link it here... Software Engineer Core Engineering


CCP Atropos	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Gehnster Edited by: Gehnster on 30/11/2009 17:11:51 Edited by: Gehnster on 30/11/2009 17:11:37 Cheers, Great work guys! Sorry Mac, no exciting new tools for you! Unfortunately this is the case We're still working on it though, but unfortunately it wasn't possible for Dominion. Since we're working on the entire patching/installation process there's more work on this area to come so watch this space Software Engineer Core Engineering

Warzon3	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:48:00 - [38] Edited by: Warzon3 on 30/11/2009 22:51:53 will this also fix graphic bugs? If I set everything to max all the asteroids have a huge white flashes over them and I noticed yesterday that somehow all roughe drone models are missing (deadly empty space that drops compounds ^^). I could reinstall eve but alway's takes so much time. Was planning on reinstalling eve tomorrow during dominion downtime but if this thing also fixes this I'll be really happy.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Zendoren Anyway you could let us in on the other cool stuff for client maintenance that you have on the drawing board??? Maybe the eve community could give you some ideas on some stuff to add to that list, Or even give you constructive criticism on the usefulness of said ideas. (As you CCP folk already know we are good at -_^). Please and Thank you. One of the things we're looking at is replacing the individual patches with a diff-ing mechanism. This way any client can be updated to any other version and can do so by downloading only the data that's different. We're still scoping out the full depth of the project, but it should drastically simplify the patching, updating and maintenance of clients, and remove the current install and patching processes. Software Engineer Core Engineering


CCP Atropos	Posted - 2009.11.30 22:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Warzon3 Edited by: Warzon3 on 30/11/2009 22:51:53 will this also fix graphic bugs? If I set everything to max all the asteroids have a huge white flashes over them and I noticed yesterday that somehow all roughe drone models are missing (deadly empty space that drops compounds ^^). I could reinstall eve but alway's takes so much time. Was planning on reinstalling eve tomorrow during dominion downtime but if this thing also fixes this I'll be really happy. If there's some kind of software/hardware conflict with your system, then this won't fix it. It makes sure that the composition of the files that comprise your client install is correct and that all files are returning the correct checksum. What's your system's configuration? We've a defect on a similar issue and it would be good to get some details of your isusue. Software Engineer Core Engineering

S'T'A'L'K'E'R Pirate Academy	Posted - 2009.11.30 23:23:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: S'T'A'L'K'E'R Edited by: S''T''A''L''K''E''R on 30/11/2009 22:24:23 Please, when you release new patch - just give us link on full file on download page. And then you can continue to play with your own downloaders, recieving thousands petitions about bugs and release this repair tools... This is always available; it's the fallback downloader that you can get through the website. Once the Dominion patch is available, I can link it here... Thanks, i found it. There was line i missed "If your EVE Online installer for Windows is failing, please try downloading the offline installer" - i thought that was link for solving some download problems, but then i found normal link for client there
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.01 00:11:00 - [42] This is really cool. Thanks CCP!
Imhothar Xarodit Minmatar Wolverine Solutions	Posted - 2009.12.01 00:37:00 - [43] This looks promising. I only have one minor suggestion: Don't use MD5, it is proven to be insecure and breakable. See this: MD5 Collision In short: It is easily possible to create client files with the exact same MD5 as expected but totally different contents or behaviour. Evil sinners might use this to their advantage, and they sure will... Use one of the SHA-2 hash algorithms instead.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.12.01 12:39:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: EvilweaselSA does this replace your system's boot.ini file when EVE erases it? And there I was thinking that meme was about dead. Your boot.ini (assuming you have one) will be there before and after. We've got some spare if you'd like another one "CCP accidentally boot.ini" meme will never die
Zarch AlDain Hematite Rose	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit This looks promising. I only have one minor suggestion: Don't use MD5, it is proven to be insecure and breakable. See this: MD5 Collision In short: It is easily possible to create client files with the exact same MD5 as expected but totally different contents or behaviour. Evil sinners might use this to their advantage, and they sure will... Use one of the SHA-2 hash algorithms instead. Not really relevant in this case. The downloaded files are coming from a CCP controlled source and they are checking for accidental damage to files not hacking. If your eve client is hacked that is almost certainly due to the person running the client (although admittedly not always) - so it doesn't really make a difference.
Imhothar Xarodit Minmatar Wolverine Solutions	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Not really relevant in this case. The downloaded files are coming from a CCP controlled source and they are checking for accidental damage to files not hacking. If your eve client is hacked that is almost certainly due to the person running the client (although admittedly not always) - so it doesn't really make a difference. My concern is not about the files downloaded by the repair tool but about people prepending to have the correct files. It would be possible for a cheater to crack his local files in such a way that keeps the same MD5 sum. If the repair tool relied only on MD5 it would not detect these modified files. Anyways, it can't hurt to move away from MD5 simply for the reason it is known to be unsafe since 2005. The fact it is stil so widely spread makes me worry.
Fade Toblack	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:54:00 - [47] Edited by: Fade Toblack on 01/12/2009 13:55:20 It's broken for cryptographic reasons. It's not being used for cryptography here - just a simple checksum to check whether you have the right version of the file. This isn't something that's being ran all the time - you only run it when you have a broken install and want to fix it. Anybody who is hacking their install won't bother running the tool. MD5 is still perfectly reasonable for this and has an advantage over things like SHA in that it's very quick.
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit This looks promising. I only have one minor suggestion: Don't use MD5, it is proven to be insecure and breakable. See this: MD5 Collision In short: It is easily possible to create client files with the exact same MD5 as expected but totally different contents or behaviour. Evil sinners might use this to their advantage, and they sure will... Use one of the SHA-2 hash algorithms instead. Not really relevant in this case. The downloaded files are coming from a CCP controlled source and they are checking for accidental damage to files not hacking. If your eve client is hacked that is almost certainly due to the person running the client (although admittedly not always) - so it doesn't really make a difference. It's unclear if they download signed files or over a secure connection. It looks like neither is true. So there would be interesting attack where one would use CCP repair tool to deploy malware on player machines. 300k customers would make a nice botnet. And anyway it's ******ed to deploy new code using MD5 in 2009, almost 2010. It looks like the guy stumbled on a 15 year old Applied Cryptography and used the first thing that was vaguely adequate. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Fade Toblack It's broken for cryptographic reasons. It's not being used for cryptography here - just a simple checksum to check whether you have the right version of the file. This isn't something that's being ran all the time - you only run it when you have a broken install and want to fix it. Anybody who is hacking their install won't bother running the tool. MD5 is still perfectly reasonable for this and has an advantage over things like SHA in that it's very quick. If that's the design intent they should have used a CRC, way faster and not giving the impression they are trying to do something and failing. There is no case now where MD5 is the good choice, either you are doing security and it is very wrong, or you are just after a checksum and best served by a way faster CRC. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:45:00 - [50] But will it switch on the kettle, make me a cup of tea and some marmalade toast while its busy? No? Well then its not good enough. Iterate dammit, iterate!!
Shalamar Bladesinger	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:25:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Ryas Nia awesome tool, any Linux support? Alas no, we don't support LInux per se. I don't know where we stand on having people write their own interfaces to the information, but it should be possible to knock up an app that accomplishes the same thing on Linux. thats the think a bout linu. the linux bot is able to find and download a bot called winbot or macbot(may or may not be called by that). linux does have a full ragne of support forthose bots and with those, you can run mac or windows ganes, file, programs, ect. so as for the suport, they would have a good support, just linux needs some help in getting all the bugs out of the system. the reason I know this is because I worked on millitary computers. I had to install it on there systems. it acts like a mimic in the sence of the term.
Warzon3	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:46:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Warzon3 Edited by: Warzon3 on 30/11/2009 22:51:53 will this also fix graphic bugs? If I set everything to max all the asteroids have a huge white flashes over them and I noticed yesterday that somehow all roughe drone models are missing (deadly empty space that drops compounds ^^). I could reinstall eve but alway's takes so much time. Was planning on reinstalling eve tomorrow during dominion downtime but if this thing also fixes this I'll be really happy. If there's some kind of software/hardware conflict with your system, then this won't fix it. It makes sure that the composition of the files that comprise your client install is correct and that all files are returning the correct checksum. What's your system's configuration? We've a defect on a similar issue and it would be good to get some details of your isusue. would it be enough if I supply you with an DXDiag report? Not really a PC geek don't know if this is even the right place or that I should move to the support forum anyway. http://rapidshare.com/files/314814941/DxDiag.txt
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.12.01 16:12:00 - [53] So for all the people who jumped the gun and installed an incorrect patch today, will this tool be able to fix it for them?
Fenris Ulfur Bio Material Inc	Posted - 2009.12.01 16:26:00 - [54] Boot.ini All joke aside; Great work --------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith"
Juliette Leblanc Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.12.01 16:27:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Ryas Nia awesome tool, any Linux support? Alas no, we don't support LInux per se. I don't know where we stand on having people write their own interfaces to the information, but it should be possible to knock up an app that accomplishes the same thing on Linux. It would actually be quite easy. And for Macs too. It's probably even possible to do it with a single shell script and make it usable on both linux and macs (and eventually even windows). If CCP is willing to put up an rsync server, it could be as compex as a single line of code (or command, as a matter of fact). And since MS does not provide rsync with the OS but rsync is open source and has been ported to windows too, all you need to do is provide the rsync for windows with the client. Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Shalamar Bladesinger	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Juliette Leblanc It would actually be quite easy. And for Macs too. It's probably even possible to do it with a single shell script and make it usable on both linux and macs (and eventually even windows). If CCP is willing to put up an rsync server, it could be as compex as a single line of code (or command, as a matter of fact). And since MS does not provide rsync with the OS but rsync is open source and has been ported to windows too, all you need to do is provide the rsync for windows with the client. and with that you also could make your own patch and be able to bypass the system a bit. not intirely, but enough to make the game less pleasing to otheres. for example; you could makeyour self, and your ships 5X harder to hit, just by one simple line of code. I dont think that ccp would be willing to use something that can damage the game fundamentals that bad. that also means that concord ships would miss you too.
Bill'Husker'Adama	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:44:00 - [57] I had no idea this was a new feature as I used it twice in the last couple weeks to repair my apocrypha client for Tranquility. I run multiple clients from a single install, and also ran a SISI client. I log on one day only to have it tell me my install was corrupt. So I navigate to the install folder and saw the repair tool and used it. Worked like a champ. I was back on TQ in a few minutes.
Madcow Minmatar Orias Fringe Enterprises Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2009.12.01 18:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Warzon3 would it be enough if I supply you with an DXDiag report? Not really a PC geek don't know if this is even the right place or that I should move to the support forum anyway. http://rapidshare.com/files/314814941/DxDiag.txt Cant check the file because of too busy site but if you have an nvidia card update it too latest driver the last version had several graphic bugs in eve. ______________________ I am just a crazy cow
Fumen Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.01 18:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 30/11/2009 18:27:51 Originally by: Peryner actually... I can't think of any other online applications that offer this service O.o sure I can repair form disk with most games, but this is an online updated application. Are ccp the 1st to ever do this or what? Magic Online do it (at least it did it when I played). EverQuest 2 was doing it way back in 2004. (And I think EQ 1 was doing it before then. I forget.)
Windryder	Posted - 2009.12.01 20:59:00 - [60] One thing that is getting overlooked here is the context - the patches are regularly getting into the half gigabyte range and this tool can cherry-pick the broken files instead of making you download a totally fresh install of how many gigs? I think its a good step forward - no matter who did it before or when they did it and no matter what tool is used for the checksum ("Hammer 3.4 is more efficient for zinc-coated steel flathead nails than Hammer 2.7" "Yeah but Hammer 3.4 won't fit in the toolbox properly if you have Screwdriver 10.5 you'll need 10.6b."). Get over yourselves people. CCP are supplying us a tool that will reduce our downtime when patches attack. This is a good thing. Be happy.

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