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Dasola Minmatar Equitatus Of Apocalypse Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Soomin'Phar Originally by: Amish Juggernaut Do you have any idea how many 3.5" floppies they have to put in and take out for this patch? Alot. rotfl. Holy crap theyre advanced, we still use those huge magnetic tape reels --- We mine, we grind, we build, we destroy Always recruiting new industrial minded players, ingame contact: Dasola
Johnathan Walker Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Quantum warrior Oh boy this is going to get good..../me gets some popcorn and settles down for a day of forum reading. Pass the caramel, please.
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:54:00 - [63] Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 13:54:54 I load the client by speaking binary into my microphone. Like this:0101010001101000011010010111001100100000011010010111001100100000011010000110111101110111001000000100100100100000011011000110111101100001011001000010000001110100011010000110010100100000010001010101011001000101001000000110001101101100011010010110010101101110011101000010000001100001011011100110010000100000011000010110110001110011011011110010000001101000011011110111011100100000010010010010000001110100011001010110110001101100001000000100110101101111011001100110111101001011011010010111010001101011011000010111010001110011001000000110110101101111011011010110110101100001001000000110100001101111011101110010000001101101011101010110001101101000001000000100100100100000011011000110111101110110011001010010000001101000011001010111001000101110 Edit: Oops ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:57:00 - [64] Originally by: CCP Explorer Deploying an expansion such as Dominion is much more tricky business than, e.g., deploying Apocrypha. The main reason is that in Dominion we are revisiting, refactoring, enhancing and extending old code. This includes the new browser, the new mail, the new planets and moons, the new fleet tools and the entire sovereignty system. All was old code that needed to be updated. Apocrypha was simpler in that we added wormholes and we added tech 3. We had to refactor some old code in Apocrypha but we were mostly adding new code. In other words; great potential for FUps
P00P	Posted - 2009.12.01 13:59:00 - [65] Originally by: CCP Explorer Deploying an expansion such as Dominion is much more tricky business than, e.g., deploying Apocrypha. The main reason is that in Dominion we are revisiting, refactoring, enhancing and extending old code. This includes the new browser, the new mail, the new planets and moons, the new fleet tools and the entire sovereignty system. All was old code that needed to be updated. Apocrypha was simpler in that we added wormholes and we added tech 3. We had to refactor some old code in Apocrypha but we were mostly adding new code. Well, back in '83 when I was copying 5 pages of code from a computer magazine for a space invaders clone on my Vic-20, it took me a few hours to load that in, then press record on the tape player, then debug. I bet it is easier now, so what is taking so long? LOAD "*" ,8 ,1
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:02:00 - [66] CHAIN"" on my Acorn Electron. I remember coding a game called Tex 'n' Dan from a mag back when I was 5 , Dad sorta helped at the time. ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
ZelRox Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:04:00 - [67] Let the people do their work, or you will quickly find your self without boot.ini ---------------------- BiH 4tw
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:06:00 - [68] Have you seen any of those fabulous other corporations you talk about do this for free? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:09:00 - [69] Originally by: ZelRox Let the people do their work, or you will quickly find your self without boot.ini My boot.ini has already absconded in fear. Last time I checked it was flying out my front door wearing a sombrero and mumbling something about Mexico and Tequila. ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
cBOLTSON Caldari Point of No Return Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:10:00 - [70] Haha! what a forum thread! All I can say is I dont have a clue about the software side of computing. So fair play ccp take as long as you guys need. Untill then im off for some pewpew in Battlefield 2 My alias is cboltS if anyone else plays bf2. Prepare to dieeee! =] p.s ccp must need a lot of f**king floppy disks haha!
BL4CKR41N	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Fyrewyre Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 13:59:59 Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 13:54:54 I load the client by speaking binary into my microphone. Like this:010101000110100001101001011100110010000001101001011 1001100100000011010000110111101110111001000000100100100100000 0110110001101111011000010110010000100000011101000110100001100 1010010000001000101010101100100010100100000011000110110110001 1010010110010101101110011101000010000001100001011011100110010 0001000000110000101101100011100110110111100100000011010000110 1111011101110010000001001001001000000111010001100101011011000 1101100001000000100110101101111011001100110111101001011011010 0101110100011010110110000101110100011100110010000001101101011 0111101101101011011010110000100100000011010000110111101110111 0010000001101101011101010110001101101000001000000100100100100 0000110110001101111011101100110010100100000011010000110010101 11001000101110 Edit: Oops, broke forum, fixed. I'm sure she loves you too......
Norian Lonark Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:12:00 - [72] Firstly CCP's infrastructure is far more complex than the other games on the market.. so I can give them a break for needing sometime to roll out these changes. Secondly does it really matter if you cant play EVE for a day while its being sorted? I know its great and everything but there must be something else you can do with your time :)
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:15:00 - [73] Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 14:16:09 Originally by: BL4CKR41N Originally by: Fyrewyre Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 13:59:59 Edited by: Fyrewyre on 01/12/2009 13:54:54 I load the client by speaking binary into my microphone. Like this:010101000110100001101001011100110010000001101001011 1001100100000011010000110111101110111001000000100100100100000 0110110001101111011000010110010000100000011101000110100001100 1010010000001000101010101100100010100100000011000110110110001 1010010110010101101110011101000010000001100001011011100110010 0001000000110000101101100011100110110111100100000011010000110 1111011101110010000001001001001000000111010001100101011011000 1101100001000000100110101101111011001100110111101001011011010 0101110100011010110110000101110100011100110010000001101101011 0111101101101011011010110000100100000011010000110111101110111 0010000001101101011101010110001101101000001000000100100100100 0000110110001101111011101100110010100100000011010000110010101 11001000101110 Edit: Oops, broke forum, fixed. I'm sure she loves you too...... ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:15:00 - [74] 9/10 ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
algorythm Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Norian Lonark Firstly CCP's infrastructure is far more complex than the other games on the market.. so I can give them a break for needing sometime to roll out these changes. Secondly does it really matter if you cant play EVE for a day while its being sorted? I know its great and everything but there must be something else you can do with your time :) Yes, read the eve forums :D _________________________
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:18:00 - [76] I would say that deploying the code on the servers is pretty easy, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. But that is not all. It needs to be tested, fixed, tested again etc. Also CCP needs some buffer time in case that something goes wrong and they need to hotfix stuff. Or do you want to have a 8 hour downtime followed by days of unannounced shutdowns, crashes and so on? I prefer that they take the server down a full day or even two, do their stuff until it is done and then start up the whole thing as smoothly as they can. Anything else doesn't make any sense to me.
Cheer Up	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:18:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Explorer Deploying an expansion such as Dominion is much more tricky business than, e.g., deploying Apocrypha. The main reason is that in Dominion we are revisiting, refactoring, enhancing and extending old code. This includes the new browser, the new mail, the new planets and moons, the new fleet tools and the entire sovereignty system. All was old code that needed to be updated. Apocrypha was simpler in that we added wormholes and we added tech 3. We had to refactor some old code in Apocrypha but we were mostly adding new code. http://subversion.tigris.org/ i really hope what you say has been done weeks ago and extensively been tested on sisi. now do an svn upd, start the services and control once again all your changes work. start up logon server services and we are good to go. easy?
Rhak Amharr Minmatar Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:25:00 - [78] Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 01/12/2009 14:26:13 ITT: Lots of people who developed an address managment system years ago and think updating a huge server cluster can be done by double-clicking on an icon on their desktop falling for an obvious troll. Edit: huge may be a bit much, but meh.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:26:00 - [79] Originally by: Gnulpie I would say that deploying the code on the servers is pretty easy, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. But that is not all. It needs to be tested, fixed, tested again etc. Also CCP needs some buffer time in case that something goes wrong and they need to hotfix stuff. Or do you want to have a 8 hour downtime followed by days of unannounced shutdowns, crashes and so on? I prefer that they take the server down a full day or even two, do their stuff until it is done and then start up the whole thing as smoothly as they can. Anything else doesn't make any sense to me. You are spot on. Actually deploying the server code is a 5 minute operation. But creating the client install and patches and uploading them to our CDN is about a 6 hour operation. And updating the database and migrating data is a long task - we actually started migrating the mail more than a week ago. And there is testing, lots of it. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Cheer Up Originally by: CCP Explorer Deploying an expansion such as Dominion is much more tricky business than, e.g., deploying Apocrypha. The main reason is that in Dominion we are revisiting, refactoring, enhancing and extending old code. This includes the new browser, the new mail, the new planets and moons, the new fleet tools and the entire sovereignty system. All was old code that needed to be updated. Apocrypha was simpler in that we added wormholes and we added tech 3. We had to refactor some old code in Apocrypha but we were mostly adding new code. http://subversion.tigris.org/ i really hope what you say has been done weeks ago and extensively been tested on sisi. We started 27 May on Dominion. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:38:00 - [81] Nice. Thanks for the insights. As a computer developer myself that has to work with large DB imports and exports, I can attest to the fact that it can take some time. If the DB migration is only about 6 hours, as Explorer said, consider yourself lucky. They have some good coding for that. Unfortunately, I also have to work with idiot programmers that make a data import process run 19 hours when I can recode it and get it to run in 1 - 4 hours, depending on the size and current server load. And this is only working with a few GB of data. And then, if CCP is doing it right, which I think they are, there should be integrity tests run that crunch through the DB data and makes sure the import ran well. My company would take a good day or two to find and fix all of the data integrity problems in an import (and they don't listen to me or my boss about any of it :S ). And all of that is just for the DB stuff that I have experience with. No doubt they're also logging in and running at least sanity tests on the systems. If they're upgrading any hardware in the meantime, too, that they don't put in the patch notes, that'll take some time to install, test, and verify. So less than a day for a patch like this is decent.
Kim Chubby Demonic Empire Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:45:00 - [82] Edited by: Kim Chubby on 01/12/2009 14:46:40 At least they are not like Sony, and release this gem of a product: Linkage CCP at least allows the damn thing to work, only better! Need some comedy in here, Eve is srzbiznezz. In other news, the Republican's raised Zombie Reagan to lead the GOP, check it out here: Zombie Reagan The Democrats have no chance.
Polkageist Minmatar THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY White Noise.	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:49:00 - [83] Its up!!!
GetOnTopOfMe	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:49:00 - [84] Can we plz stop complaining and pray that we dont get hit the the missing boot.ini file again ?
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Polkageist Its up!!! The pessimist in me says it's a false alarm.
Polkageist Minmatar THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY White Noise.	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Polkageist Its up!!! The pessimist in me says it's a false alarm. You just have to believe it!!! Red October Hymn performed by Red Army Choir
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.01 14:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Kim Chubby Linkage I swear, i never ever laughed this hard in my entire life ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
InDiCa LoVeR	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:01:00 - [88] lol i love that film! They sing it well.
Kingnuts Advocates of Sin	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:04:00 - [89] Originally by: Hardcover Edited by: Hardcover on 01/12/2009 00:21:10 Edited by: Hardcover on 01/12/2009 00:19:57 From what I seen, there is mostly changes to current systems, no new real changes being made, like adding a whole new sector of space with 500 systems, or actual charaters and not just the ship your flying, ect. Fact is I seen many other games do larger amount of changes than what CCP is doing and in less time, most being 4 to 6 hours. In those 4 to 6 hours, entire new lands, worlds, dungons, ect was put in place, and server stability and other testings completed. CCP from what I can see is just so dated that maybe they forgot the technoligy that was used to create this game in the first place. Holy ** dude, so you don't get to play eve for ABOUT 1 day. Big deal, ing cry some moar Originally by:** Ninja Otaku Mod's must be on break, this hasn't been locked yet? Originally by: Velocity Prime Gotta love Fridays.
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.12.01 15:08:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Explorer We started 27 May on Dominion. Did you know it was called Dominion then, and did you already know the major features that you needed to give the scrum teams? Or did you start brain storming and theory crafting then?

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