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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2009.12.01 20:19:00 -
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Mining Upgrades (4):
Skill at using mining upgrades. 5% reduction per skill level in CPU penalty of mining upgrade modules
I'm wondering if anybody can give me a reason to train this to level 5. Training to 4 is a must since it unlocks the T2 laser upgrades but level 5 is only an additional 5% reduction in CPU required by those upgrades. I've used EveHQ to try different fittings and while some fittings do require MU4 and Electronics 5 to eek out that last bit of CPU I can't find a single build where MU5 gave me the ability to fit something I couldn't fit with MU4. Likewise the builds that required MU4 and Electronics 5 wouldn't work with MU5 and Electronics 4, so it isn't a matter of trading one or the other. Regardless, MU4 has a 14d training time with my skills opens up no new skills while Electronics 5 is 4 days and is a prerequisite for a lot of other skills (plus helps me fit non mining vessles and other equipment easier).
If anybody has an example of what would require this I would appreciate it. At the moment I have no intention of training beyond L4.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.01 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/12/2009 20:49:59
I had a T2 fit of a Hulk with 2x MLU II that required Mining Upgrades 5. Faction/complex fits can get by without it, but I think it is really a bad idea to faction/complex fit a Hulk.
With battleships at below insurance fraud prices, I currently don't even use MLU since I'm focused on survivability after a few (failed) gank attempts.
My alt that also mines in a 2nd Hulk doesn't even have the skill trained.
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2009.12.01 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tiruriku on 01/12/2009 21:01:12
Edited by: Tiruriku on 01/12/2009 20:59:15
I've been struggling with this as well. I'm currently flying covetors even though I have hulk skills. I don't mind suicide ganking as part of the gameplay mechanic but the fact that someone can gank a 100m ship with no financial risk is crazy. But since thats the way it is (I don't want to turn this into a thread about the rights and wrongs of ganking or the insurance system) I've been trying to fit ships to be as gankproof as possible (FYI to gankers - this is an alt account so don't bother stalking).
I kept cargohold rigs and in my low's put 1 MLU and a DC2. In the mid's I put invulnerability and small shield extenders. When I read halada's mining guide it talks about how great a tank can fit and that might be true against NPC spawns but I can't find any fit that would be reliable enough for me to fly a faction fitted hulk even in a .8 high-sec system.
If you happen to have the fitting still where you had 2 MLUII's and needed MU5 for it to work I would be interested in seeing that but my guess is it would involve some pretty expensive shield mods that I wouldn't even want to fit.
 Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/12/2009 20:49:59
With battleships at below insurance fraud prices, I currently don't even use MLU since I'm focused on survivability after a few (failed) gank attempts.
My alt that also mines in a 2nd Hulk doesn't even have the skill trained.
Also, would you mind posting a fit of a build, even without MLU's, that is survivable against battleship ganks? As I mentioned I don't even want to fly a hulk at all given the fact they're uninsurable and am sticking with covetors but I would gladly sacrifice the MLU if I could make a survivable hulk, I just can't seem to find fittings that work well. The 15% yield from exhumers 5 I would get is better than the 9% from a MLU2, and I could use the cargo space.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.01 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tiruriku
Also, would you mind posting a fit of a build, even without MLU's, that is survivable against battleship ganks? As I mentioned I don't even want to fly a hulk at all given the fact they're uninsurable and am sticking with covetors but I would gladly sacrifice the MLU if I could make a survivable hulk, I just can't seem to find fittings that work well. The 15% yield from exhumers 5 I would get is better than the 9% from a MLU2, and I could use the cargo space.
None of the gank attempts have been with disco BS, which is good since they are the hardest to survive. The attempts have been with torpedoes or turrets, and they tend to get off 2 volleys before being squashed by CONCORD. Those with cap boosters may get off an extra volley.
Surviving one T1 fit gank BS is possible. Two is uncertain. Three or more is unlikely.
I've also faced a Drake in 0.0 and got away because of the ECM drones. If they don't jam on the first attempt, recall them to orbit and send them out again so they immediately try another jam cycle.
Make sure to have Spaceship Command 5 and Evasive Maneuvering 5. Some Warp Drive Operation skill helps too, since your cap can get really low at the start of a cycle. I've not always been scrambled, and it is best to warp out the instant you see a BS (or scan one).
There are ways to increase the EHP further, but at a cost to cargo or cap (requiring one to stagger the strips). Exhumer skill is really handy for raising resists.
[Hulk, EHP]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Vespa EC-600 x4
Hammerhead II x1
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:07:00 -
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Thanks. That is exactly the spec I had made. Good to know it can stand up to a volley or two, I didn't think it would survive 1.
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Millie Clode
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Posted - 2009.12.02 09:56:00 -
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A hulk with 2 MLUs, 3 t2 strip miners and a half decent tank will need MLU 5
A mackinaw with two ice upgrade IIs and t2 ice harvesters will need MLU 5 to fit any tank at all (and most likely a CPU implant aswell)
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Don Lunardi
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
and it is best to warp out the instant you see a BS (or scan one).
Obviously, this gives all the more reason to be mining in a BS like the Rokh
1) Warp into belt
2) Watch other miners flee in panic of possible suicide ganking
3) Profit 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.03 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Don Lunardi
Obviously, this gives all the more reason to be mining in a BS like the Rokh
1) Warp into belt
2) Watch other miners flee in panic of possible suicide ganking
3) Profit
In my experience, it is pretty rare to see a mining BS in hisec. Most people opt for a Retriever over the BS, even if they hate mining.
Oh, and any mining BS without 8 active mining lasers should be suspect too.
What me paranoid? 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.05 08:28:00 -
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Here's the double-MLU fit I used at one time. Really requires a dedicated hauler (I used an Orca alt until I trained him to mine in a 2nd Hulk). You will need top-notch skills to fit and be cap stable.
[Hulk, Ore (MLU II)]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Small Shield Booster II
Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5
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