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AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.17 06:59:00 -
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I thought I'd ask people who might hear proposed ideas and theories on what CCP might or could do to solve the problem. I don't haul often, but when I do I tank out my mammoth and start concentrating on getting through high sec. I make 20 jumps or so without problem, get distracted for 60 seconds and BAM, suicide ganked at the gate, 300 mill loss. Yeah, yeah, EVE is dangerous and looking at a market, or a map, or anything other than the current moment will get you killed.
My question is will there ever be a steeper penalty for suicide ganking? People who hang out all day at a gate waiting for a target to make a quick profit off by killing their ship,, having a buddy loot all the stuff (which won't cause any penalty to the person helping),
... and the only worry is a 15 minute cooldown? There is no reason why griefing will ever stop in high sec if Concord lets pirates go with a slap on the wrist and what amounts to a time out. "Don't do that again or we'll take your ship away that you'll easily buy 5 more of with the loot you stole!"
Just saying... and I think a lot of people will agree is there is at least 1000% more stress put on people just playing the game without PVP in mind then gate campers who get a set up and their days of worry are over. A nice tech II ships, some faction gear, and they'll be set for life. |
Implying Implications
cuties4life
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:01:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:I thought I'd ask people who might hear proposed ideas and theories on what CCP might or could do to solve the problem. What problem?
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AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:03:00 -
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^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks. I don't know whether this is considered by most people as an exploit to the Concord crime system, but it seems silly that a pirates can abuse players in high sec for months / years and still be allowed in high sec... that makes no sense in any legal penalty system I can think of. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:04:00 -
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Cascade Imminent is selling mining passes to access scenic, distant Detorid.
Dare you make the diaspora from the persecution of suicide gankers, and take the plunge into mining Xanadu? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
730
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:07:00 -
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CCP actually endorses and encourages suicide ganking. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:08:00 -
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Probably so we can all buy more plex. Makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Well, I'm not falling for it =p |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
730
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:15:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:Probably so we can all buy more plex. Makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Well, I'm not falling for it =p
Take your tinfoil off.
Suicide ganking has been around and approved since long before PLEX existed. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:16:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:people just playing the game without PVP in mind
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Pyramid Scheme
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:16:00 -
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you autopilot/afk in space when your already taking a risk and hauling over 100m in a t1 indy?
either be less profitable or less stupid.
or both. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
659
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:18:00 -
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I was there tonight and it wasn't very scenic. I can't believe people pay to rent that space. Just terrible. . |
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ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:19:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks. I don't know whether this is considered by most people as an exploit to the Concord crime system, but it seems silly that a pirates can abuse players in high sec for months / years and still be allowed in high sec... that makes no sense in any legal penalty system I can think of. Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enough Bad news for you, theres nothing stopping them from making an alt in a catalyst with a clean sec status Also more bad news, If you happen to live near a low sec system they can jump in and quickly gank you, but they have to be quick I just gotta go fast! |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:26:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:My question is will there ever be a steeper penalty for suicide ganking?
AnJuan Jackson wrote:People who hang out all day at a gate waiting for a target....
I don't do this stuff at all BUT If I would need to hang all day on a gate just to get couple of kills I would consider it HUGE penalty.
I have never been ganked in hisec and I haul my precious deadspace ( usually 3bil+ ) loot to Jita every now and then ( on hauler alt of course ). I am paying attention and bypassing systems with confirmed ganker activity. Sometimes I need to make few more jumps and that is all - 99% safety. If you take the easiest route because you are lazy then sorry but it is your own fault. |
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:29:00 -
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Suicide Ganking? Working as intended. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:31:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:I was there tonight and it wasn't very scenic. I can't believe people pay to rent that space. Just terrible. look I'm trying to find out what r64s our holding corp has bothered to tower and which ones they haven't so if you could get that 3 man roaming gang out of the way I'd appreciate it. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:32:00 -
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Hey, i know you. I've seen you in Hek...
300 Million you say ?
Wow, thanks for the information ! That's GREAT to know ! :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:38:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enough
They're able to /enter/ hisec, they just have to be fast enough to evade faction navies. eh |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:47:00 -
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Suicide Ganking is a valid playstyle and gaming technique, it just needs to be made less of a spreadsheet exercise in determining profits associated with its application (that can be as much or more as a plex in an afternoon) whilst simply managing security status.
So ...
Quote:For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?
Want to validate a potential Career path in GëívGëí with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?
Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?
You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in GëívGëí where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?
Or simply want to make GëívGëí less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?
Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing (2003) broken mechanic in the game which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?
Support: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.
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"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."
"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."
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Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:18:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:AnJuan Jackson wrote:I thought I'd ask people who might hear proposed ideas and theories on what CCP might or could do to solve the problem. What problem?
Post with your monkey. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:24:00 -
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Not sure if trolling.
I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:27:00 -
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Being ganked sucks. You'll get nothing but sympathy from me.
Anya Ohaya wrote:Not sure if trolling.
I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler. He said 300 million.
Collateral? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Arcticblue2
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:04:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Being ganked sucks. You'll get nothing but sympathy from me. Anya Ohaya wrote:Not sure if trolling.
I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler. He said 300 million. Collateral?
I would definitly not use a normal hauler for 300 million knowing I could be suicide ganked... have once lost roughly that myself in a suicide gank but is now using my freighter and nobody is going to suicide gank it for 300 million only ... 1 billion yes maybe but not for 300 million it would be a loss. |
Spectre80
The Collective Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:52:00 -
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Arcticblue2 wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Being ganked sucks. You'll get nothing but sympathy from me. Anya Ohaya wrote:Not sure if trolling.
I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler. He said 300 million. Collateral? I would definitly not use a normal hauler for 300 million knowing I could be suicide ganked... have once lost roughly that myself in a suicide gank but is now using my freighter and nobody is going to suicide gank it for 300 million only ... 1 billion yes maybe but not for 300 million it would be a loss.
i think you just made yourself a target, knowing type of players who play this game they will come and gank it just to prove you wrong, laugh and make fun of you. eve online is griefers paradise. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.17 10:18:00 -
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Train into a blockade runner.
Never care about gatecamps again. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2012.06.17 10:26:00 -
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It would be a problem is there were no solutions. However there exists Freighters, Orcas, transport ships and courier contracts so that someone else takes the risk. If you were to ask 1,000 EVE players if it was a good idea to haul 300m in a t1 industrial 999 of them would laugh in your face. Every group has its own town dunce who is just dumb beyond repair, in this case it is you dear OP. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.06.17 10:34:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:I thought I'd ask people who might hear proposed ideas and theories on what CCP might or could do to solve the problem. I don't haul often, but when I do I tank out my mammoth and start concentrating on getting through high sec. I make 20 jumps or so without problem, get distracted for 60 seconds and BAM, suicide ganked at the gate, 300 mill loss.
I can solve your problem: don't put 300 mill of valuable loot in a slow, clumsy, paper-tanked hauler.
Glad to help. Any other problems you got, just ask.
What's that you say? Oh yeah, the Prowler is the ship you're looking for.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4076
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Posted - 2012.06.17 10:54:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks. I don't know whether this is considered by most people as an exploit to the Concord crime system, but it seems silly that a pirates can abuse players in high sec for months / years and still be allowed in high sec... that makes no sense in any legal penalty system I can think of. Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enoughBad news for you, theres nothing stopping them from making an alt in a catalyst with a clean sec status Also more bad news, If you happen to live near a low sec system they can jump in and quickly gank you, but they have to be quick
Bad news for you: your knowledge of game mechanics is deficient. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.06.17 11:00:00 -
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I see that you have lost your ship in Niarja. I take it you were traveling between Amarr and Jita, as Niarja is a border system about half way between the two. Cosindering that you're a high sec industrialist, I take it you pass through that system often. Now, this probably escaped you but the presence of at least 20 ships on that gate at any given time, most of which have negative standing and/or bounties, coupled with the presence of hauler wrecks and frigates salvaging them, coupled with the fact that it's a .5 system should be enough to set off a few light bulbs.
Well... better luck next time. I have made quite a lot of pocket change in that system ninja'ing wrecks like yours. Gotta be fast though, scavangers everywhere. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.06.17 11:04:00 -
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Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
663
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:30:00 -
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Oh, hi OP. You must be new here. Don't worry, we'll take good care of ya.
/me holds up two of the second-left items from this picture and smiles (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:07:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks.
If you find you are being griefed you can petition the CHARACTER and CCP will take appropriate action. Just show CCP the multiple killmails or logs of the one character that is preventing you from playing the game. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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