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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
565
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:18:00 -
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Just a tip, EVE does has sound, yeah yeah I know.
Anyway, if you turn that sound on while traveling, you know when you're about to drop out of warp. That should be the moment you focus back on your traveling, jump through gate, warp to next, do something in between if possible.
The only problem you have is not suicide ganks but that you're not fully committed to fly with your eye on the money basket. Somehow you still expect that high sec is 'save'. Guess what it isn't. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1939
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:19:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enough They're able to /enter/ hisec, they just have to be fast enough to evade faction navies.
Which makes ganking haulers somewhat tricky. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
852
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:20:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:Just saying... and I think a lot of people will agree is there is at least 1000% more stress put on people just playing the game without PVP in mind then gate campers who get a set up and their days of worry are over. A nice tech II ships, some faction gear, and they'll be set for life. 1000% more stress?
Why would anybody play an open-world PVP game without PVP in mind? That seems like it would damned sure induce the stress you mentioned. But I think the cause of this effect eludes you.
Why should gatecampers be stressed when they are playing the game by the rules and there are plenty of people like you who are more than willing to put 300M isk into a cardboard box? Those gatecampers are an incinerator, and you piloted a cardboard box through it.
I bet you used Warp Core Stabilizers. Even if not, by piloting 300M in cargo in essentially a flying jet can and going AFK you pretty much got what you had coming.
Protip: CONCORD is not here to save you. They are here to provide a deterrent.
Deterrents don't always work. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:22:00 -
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I guess the day when trading/building in high sec becomes less interesting than in low/null sec, ganking problem will be solved for ever. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
565
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:22:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new. Not really, ex corpy flew a year ago to Jita in an empty hauler to pick up stuff, afk. Hauler never made it. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
852
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:25:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:I guess the day when trading/building in high sec becomes less interesting than in low/null sec, ganking problem will be solved for ever. Trading and building in high-sec should already be less interesting than in low/null.
That nothing seems to pry the veil of safety from the turgid hands of the permanent high-sec cripple does not make hauling in high-sec "interesting." Clearly, as the OP's anecdote relays, it typically is not more profitable than low/null, either. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:29:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:AnJuan Jackson wrote:Probably so we can all buy more plex. Makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Well, I'm not falling for it =p Take your tinfoil off. Suicide ganking has been around and approved since long before PLEX existed.
But how long since you were able to trade GTC's in the bazaar?
EDIT: in the same breath, I wonder what would happen to armored cars full of money if the guards ran into dunkin donuts to get coffee or a roadside bathroom to take a dump. You got money on board? Might want to pay attention. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
337
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:31:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new. Not really, ex corpy flew a year ago to Jita in an empty hauler to pick up stuff, afk. Hauler never made it.
Was the sarcasm in my post not evident enough? Apologies for that, I'll make it more obvious next time Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:44:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:People who hang out all day at a gate waiting for a target to make a quick profit
Not sure that can be called a quick profit, tbh |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1073
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:25:00 -
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Posting on a thread that's pretty much the same as all the other whine thread.
PS: To OP, if your forum search link is broken, you can post in the issues subforum. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1545
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:46:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oh, hi OP. You must be new here. Don't worry, we'll take good care of ya. /me holds up two of the second-left items from this picture and smiles
OMG YOU GOT AN AVATAR TOY !!! :D
Oh no, wait .... O_O Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
565
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new. Not really, ex corpy flew a year ago to Jita in an empty hauler to pick up stuff, afk. Hauler never made it. Was the sarcasm in my post not evident enough? Apologies for that, I'll make it more obvious next time
No apologies needed it was me, reading skills still at 2 here. Need to work on that one of these days.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP Hashashin Cartel
785
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:04:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote: My question is will there ever be a steeper penalty for suicide ganking?
I'm not allowed in high-sec because of people like you, thanks a lot. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:13:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:AnJuan Jackson wrote:People who hang out all day at a gate waiting for a target to make a quick profit Not sure that can be called a quick profit, tbh They should just mine instead. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
baltec1
1466
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:26:00 -
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Cant find a KM so OP might be trollin. |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:33:00 -
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To everyone who says I made myself a target: Almost every ganking setup I've seen has a scanner buddy or scans holds themselves. I am no more a target now then I've always been.
To everyone who says they'd never haul in a T1 Hauler: I'm aware there are better ships, but options are never haul anything of value and make some modest isk, or take a loss once in a while but make 1000x more.
I'm okay with the loss, anyone who takes the time to look at my 3 bill loss killboard will see really, that's not the issue.
I simply think that criminal penalties are not steep enough. My issue is the ganking but i'm sure other forms of crime in eve are also not looked at hard enough. But, I did read over some of these posts and did learn some things.
Oh, and I didn't autopilot my ship >.> I mean, really? All that happened is I was pulled away for 60 seconds, i assume i decloaked 10 seconds after i left, got blown up, and boo woo for me. I'm not looking for sympathy over the one encounter, but do feel that it's bullshit people will camp gates all day, every day, make a killing and never be forced to -really- leave high sec. |
baltec1
1466
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:38:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:To everyone who says I made myself a target: Almost every ganking setup I've seen has a scanner buddy or scans holds themselves. I am no more a target now then I've always been.
To everyone who says they'd never haul in a T1 Hauler: I'm aware there are better ships, but options are never haul anything of value and make some modest isk, or take a loss once in a while but make 1000x more.
I'm okay with the loss, anyone who takes the time to look at my 3 bill loss killboard will see really, that's not the issue.
I simply think that criminal penalties are not steep enough. My issue is the ganking but i'm sure other forms of crime in eve are also not looked at hard enough. But, I did read over some of these posts and did learn some things.
Oh, and I didn't autopilot my ship >.> I mean, really? All that happened is I was pulled away for 60 seconds, i assume i decloaked 10 seconds after i left, got blown up, and boo woo for me. I'm not looking for sympathy over the one encounter, but do feel that it's bullshit people will camp gates all day, every day, make a killing and never be forced to -really- leave high sec.
I'll bite. You made it easy for them then whine about it being easy for them. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1941
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:41:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:To everyone who says I made myself a target: Almost every ganking setup I've seen has a scanner buddy or scans holds themselves. I am no more a target now then I've always been.
To everyone who says they'd never haul in a T1 Hauler: I'm aware there are better ships, but options are never haul anything of value and make some modest isk, or take a loss once in a while but make 1000x more.
I'm okay with the loss, anyone who takes the time to look at my 3 bill loss killboard will see really, that's not the issue.
I simply think that criminal penalties are not steep enough. My issue is the ganking but i'm sure other forms of crime in eve are also not looked at hard enough. But, I did read over some of these posts and did learn some things.
Oh, and I didn't autopilot my ship >.> I mean, really? All that happened is I was pulled away for 60 seconds, i assume i decloaked 10 seconds after i left, got blown up, and boo woo for me. I'm not looking for sympathy over the one encounter, but do feel that it's bullshit people will camp gates all day, every day, make a killing and never be forced to -really- leave high sec.
After a certain number of ganks they are forced to leave HS (or modify their tactics).
A group of gankers sitting off a gate will need an orca for every 2 members of the group that are -10, and will need to be quick to board and warpin, or their prey will get away. Gate guns also mean that it's risky for them to warp in before the target decloaks. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:41:00 -
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Bad things can happen when you look away for 60 seconds. For instance: driving. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:42:00 -
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^ Thanks for pointing out how easy it was for them. That's the problem. Most of my corp members are starting to try things like this now because it -is- that easy to do. Equip a ship as cheaply as possible with enough dps, get a friend in an industrial, purchase a cargo scanner, and good to go :D
Edit: The driving thing made me laugh XD Given. |
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
153
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:42:00 -
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Add pods to killrights. |
baltec1
1466
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:44:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Thanks for pointing out how easy it was for them. That's the problem. Most of my corp members are starting to try things like this now because it -is- that easy to do. Equip a ship as cheaply as possible with enough dps, get a friend in an industrial, purchase a cargo scanner, and good to go :D
Edit: The driving thing made me laugh XD Given.
So stop making it easy then. Its entirely your fault. |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:44:00 -
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I'd take that option. Would make it more practical to get revenge on these people rather than killing their expendable ship. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:44:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Bad things can happen when you look away for 60 seconds. For instance: driving.
Make people think they're driving their living room just makes them forget they're driving a real weapon., but then it's too late brb |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1941
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:49:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Thanks for pointing out how easy it was for them. That's the problem. Most of my corp members are starting to try things like this now because it -is- that easy to do. Equip a ship as cheaply as possible with enough dps, get a friend in an industrial, purchase a cargo scanner, and good to go :D
Edit: The driving thing made me laugh XD Given.
The timing's pretty tight unless you tank your suicide t3, which would require that you use more of them.
DPS ganks aren't as reliable on gates because of gate guns, so you really want to use Alpha.
Secondly, they can be scanned down and podded at any time. The target could get into warp before they land (at which point there's still some chance that they lose their ship to gate guns or attentive players). Ganking haulers once you're an outlaw is much more work than doing so before that point. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:52:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:AnJuan Jackson wrote:^ Thanks for pointing out how easy it was for them. That's the problem. Most of my corp members are starting to try things like this now because it -is- that easy to do. Equip a ship as cheaply as possible with enough dps, get a friend in an industrial, purchase a cargo scanner, and good to go :D
Edit: The driving thing made me laugh XD Given. The timing's pretty tight unless you tank your suicide t3, which would require that you use more of them. DPS ganks aren't as reliable on gates because of gate guns, so you really want to use Alpha. Secondly, they can be scanned down and podded at any time. The target could get into warp before they land (at which point there's still some chance that they lose their ship to gate guns or attentive players). Ganking haulers once you're an outlaw is much more work than doing so before that point.
Ever try podding someone in high sec? You should. It's fun.
And here's the other things. They should have plenty of targets in high pop areas so it's not like they won't have an opportunity every minutes to every couple minutes. You have any idea how long it takes to Haul **** from one side of the empire to the other? In this case, I did 20 jumps perfectly and avoided two camps. I know what I'm doing, but when real life forces me to look away from the god damn screen, Dead.
All i'm saying... I'm sorry I didn't have the hour and a half of CONSTANT ATTENTION required to keep my ass alive. :D thanks. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1941
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:58:00 -
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AnJuan Jackson wrote:
Ever try podding someone in high sec? You should. It's fun.
And here's the other things. They should have plenty of targets in high pop areas so it's not like they won't have an opportunity every minutes to every couple minutes. You have any idea how long it takes to Haul **** from one side of the empire to the other? In this case, I did 20 jumps perfectly and avoided two camps. I know what I'm doing, but when real life forces me to look away from the god damn screen, Dead.
All i'm saying... I'm sorry I didn't have the hour and a half of CONSTANT ATTENTION required to keep my ass alive. :D thanks.
You chose to ship your stuff in a ship that requires constant attention rather than lack of economic incentive to stay alive.
Had you put your 300m in a freighter, it would have made it. An Orca would have made it. Had you put it in a courier contract, it would have made it (or your money back).
You were cheap, you weren't attentive enough to make up for it, you got caught.
When RL forces you to look away, dock up if your in a loot pi+¦ata.
And complaining about Empire Logistics? Really? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:58:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Bad things can happen when you look away for 60 seconds. For instance: driving. Make people think they're driving their living room just makes them forget they're driving a real weapon., but then it's too late
The consequences of AFK driving You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.17 18:02:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oh, hi OP. You must be new here. Don't worry, we'll take good care of ya. /me holds up two of the second-left items from this picture and smiles sup dude guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation Redrum Fleet
1
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Posted - 2012.06.17 18:02:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Bad things can happen when you look away for 60 seconds. For instance: driving. Make people think they're driving their living room just makes them forget they're driving a real weapon., but then it's too late The consequences of AFK driving
I never saw this, but its pretty good xD
And I swear to god I wasn't trolling last night when I posted that up, though a bit drunk. It's kinda fun now to keep it going now. And I would like to point out there's a difference between being cheap and being new. ORCAS ARE AMAZING I WANT ONE OMGGGGG.
Not happening for at least 26 days. KK? |
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