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shyla stylez
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:19:00 -
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Whilst AFs are expensive for frigs and die quickly when caught my a medium neut etc....they are great fun to fly & really with the cost of small rigs, they're cheap enough not to worry about losing....
Here's what a mate was able to do in a solo enyo.....surprised he didn't run out of ammo actually :-)
lolz
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gnome blood
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: gnome blood on 03/12/2009 02:34:40
 Originally by: shyla stylez
Whilst AFs are expensive for frigs and die quickly when caught my a medium neut etc....they are great fun to fly & really with the cost of small rigs, they're cheap enough not to worry about losing....
Here's what a mate was able to do in a solo enyo.....surprised he didn't run out of ammo actually :-)
lolz
Ehm, killing a horribly fail-fit/PVE Dominix in an assault frig is too easy. A properly fit pvp Dominix would nuke him so fast it¦s not funny.
In case you miss the fail on that Domi: long-range guns, no warriors, no neut, at best a 150 dps tank, no point or web.
Best thing that can be said about it is that it¦s cheap. If it was insured, he probably made money on it.
That said, AF¦s can do amazing things, whether solo or in gang. The little Tusker knows what he¦s talking about. It requires a lot of player skill (the kind you can¦t queue up) to fly them right, though. Practice with T1 frigs, they can be pretty nasty too. And most of all fun!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.03 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: gnome blood
That said, AF¦s can do amazing things, whether solo or in gang. The little Tusker knows what he¦s talking about. It requires a lot of player skill (the kind you can¦t queue up) to fly them right, though. Practice with T1 frigs, they can be pretty nasty too. And most of all fun!
This. Fittings are not even half of the story with AF and getting in training with a punisher or rifter will reward you greatly.
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MattFighT
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:28:00 -
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Proxxxy,
I have been flying Af¦s aswell, and while they can sometimes do great against cruiser, it¦s mostly because the cruiser pilot has fitted against something specifically, that is not frigs, interceptors and af¦s. Most cruiser pilots packs : or neuts and small drones (rupture) or small guns and small drones(thorax) or small guns and dual web (maller), and they will melt any frig size ships, and with 1600 plate in lows you won¦t even manage to put him to 50% armor.
Has i saw on your kills, you think exactly the same way, has most of your af kills are made in cruisers (rupture) and most of your af losses are against cruisers.
I really think that sometimes af can do a really good job, when fighting the right guy, in the right circumstances, but killing a cruiser in a af, is more luck than skills. Of course though, experience and skills, will make a cruiser kill much more likely to happen.
MattFighT
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:41:00 -
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Im not a person who hypes up ships or certain setups! I often look at theyre upside and down sides! Ive said plenty of times on the eve o forums, that the rupture and vexor are imo the top cruisers in game because they are well rounded. In the real thing i tend to avoid Ruptures and Vexors!
Who doesnt know that mallers fit small lasers? Who doesnt know that caracals fit aml/neuts? But i know for a fact that small blasters on a thorax doesnt always save them from wolfs, jaguars, ishkurs, and harpys mainly because these ships have the ability to kite.
In princple! A frigate size ship should never engage drone boats and missile boats! That said, when i see a caracal shooting at me and i notice he is using hmls. i smile and engage him! If i notice a maller is using med lasers just by looking at the turrent hard points on his ship. i smile and engage him! But to say that it cant be done is crazy talk tbh...
Theyre where underline arguments suggesting everyone fits neuts and everyone fits theyre ships correctly to counter frigs. In eve theyre is a very small minority of pilots that know how to pvp and or considered good. The eve o forum talk! About every one fits neuts is bs and not what you see in the real thing! More than often i see small gangs or large blobs as a pirate...
Thoughs gangs tend not to have a need to fit neuts because numbers tend to suffice. In these gangs everyone is talking about fittting shield tanked harbingers, hurricanes, brutix, myrms, with the biggest guns, to do the most dps! Shoot even the tuskers do this! Some are into the eve o forum talk and when we head out in shield tanked hurricanes with scimitar love! Neuts are replaced by missiles lauchers for max dps...
Thoughs who solo are hella rare and make up a very small part of pvp community in eve! I think the numbers must be under 2% which i use to think was pretty much pirates, but i now know that even in pirate corps that only 2 - 5 guys are uber solo killing machines the rest tend only to head out in gangs not to say they dont solo from time to time... To be a tusker you have to be able to solo to even join!
I have been in small - large engagements with the likes of Bydi, Veto, Avocated Destruction, Invicta and i can tell you without a doubt that in fights with these many consider to be uber outfits i almost never see neuts being thrown around in a small - large gang engagement unless theyre is a cruse around...
Neuts tends to almost be exclusive to solo pvp! Which makes sense cause in large or small gangs dps is all you tend to need. Who uses a small neutron thorax in small gangs? What i do see alot is gank thorax, fitted with lse or a 800mm plate.
The fiction that the fast mojority of eve fits neuts is just that fiction! Its the same chat i saw in the minmatar and gallente millttia by people who you never see out solo or in a small gang and talking about solo pvp like they do it! Which is funny because they always seem to regurgitate things said on the forums but it has never shown up in theyre skills as a pilot!
One of my in-game bro's brought the argument about neuts to me once! About how neuts are used everywhere in eve, and im like dude! how many times have you realy seen neuts use against you when solo??? We then both laughed because we tend to bring them but i almost never engage somone else with them! Not to mention that neuts are primarily used by minmatar ships which are the least used ships in small - large gangs...
I dont have to convince anyone that this is the case, because all they have to do is go out and they will see it!
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Zaius Caine
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:44:00 -
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Another useless wall of text ^^^^^^
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Edited by: Proxyyyy on 03/12/2009 02:48:02
Oh please! so you want to duel? = / Pfft i would comment on how dueling is not pvp but that is for another topic! After that one im not gunna take you seriously! Go to the tuskers killboards and look at kills its all the proof that is needed...
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=search
basically you want me to go in an arena where you know what im bringing? To have a prearrange engagement where you can setup a ship to counter an assault frig? Which is unlike actual pvp where engagments are generaly dynamic = /
If you would like kills linked that i have personaly done to prove my point just ask! Other than that you can duel your corp mates champ! Cause you seem to like to throw around words like "impossible" becuase you cant or have never done it youself!
Pathetic. Looks like you are just a theory-warrior after all. All that time wasted in argument and you wont even back up your words with deeds. If you ever grow a pair let me know, dude. LOL
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.03 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zaius Caine
Another useless wall of text ^^^^^^
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Edited by: Proxyyyy on 03/12/2009 02:48:02
Oh please! so you want to duel? = / Pfft i would comment on how dueling is not pvp but that is for another topic! After that one im not gunna take you seriously! Go to the tuskers killboards and look at kills its all the proof that is needed...
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=search
basically you want me to go in an arena where you know what im bringing? To have a prearrange engagement where you can setup a ship to counter an assault frig? Which is unlike actual pvp where engagments are generaly dynamic = /
If you would like kills linked that i have personaly done to prove my point just ask! Other than that you can duel your corp mates champ! Cause you seem to like to throw around words like "impossible" becuase you cant or have never done it youself!
Pathetic. Looks like you are just a theory-warrior after all. All that time wasted in argument and you wont even back up your words with deeds. If you ever grow a pair let me know, dude. LOL
YEEP! Your right champ!
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Crypto Dark
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Posted - 2009.12.06 14:06:00 -
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My alt flys an Ishkur solo, it's one of my favorite ships.
Orbit at 18k and tackle with a disruptor. damage = warrior II's & rails. mwd, 2 overdrives, dcu II & cap 200's.
If it gets too hot then just bug out.
You can take out newer players in BC's. I even killed a 1 month old player in an Armageddon.
You also have the freedom to roam anywhere without worrying too much about gatecamps.
Job done!
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2009.12.06 17:23:00 -
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AF fixes in no particular order.
1. Hull cost should be ~ 10mil
2. Rockets need fixing
3. Retribution needs a highslot moving to a mid.
4. The subpar hulls need a decent 4th bonus eg. +5% shield resists for the hawk/harpy. The iskur/jag should get a meh one.
Kinsy > deadman you
there?
Kinsy > are either of us in
pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless
[ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
3. Retribution needs a highslot moving to a mid.
I would reather do without the mid than lose the utility high.
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Grut
3. Retribution needs a highslot moving to a mid.
I would reather do without the mid than lose the utility high.
For PvE yes
For pvp no... just no.
Sure it could lose a slowslot but then it'd have the same layout as the enyo/wolf very boring.
Kinsy > deadman you
there?
Kinsy > are either of us in
pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless
[ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Grut
3. Retribution needs a highslot moving to a mid.
I would reather do without the mid than lose the utility high.
For PvE yes
For pvp no... just no.
Sure it could lose a slowslot but then it'd have the same layout as the enyo/wolf very boring.
PVP wise I need that small NOS as it has saved my life more times than I care to count. Just add the mid so I can fit a point and I will be happy forever.
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