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Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3468	Posted - 2012.06.18 16:46:00 - [1] - Quote Haquer wrote: I like the part where he denies none of this He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3468	Posted - 2012.06.18 16:50:00 - [2] - Quote if anyone's curious my npc hauler alt was osakran vosbosgernt (or something like that it's hard as hell to spell) for a long time, until i needed him in 0.0 i now have another one and use osakran every so often as a cloaked npc warpin on hulks that's just one of my personal ones all people who do anything in empire have one
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3471	Posted - 2012.06.18 16:56:00 - [3] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: Enaris Kerle wrote: Barbara Nichole wrote: most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt" let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification. my market alt is in GSF and never undocks from 4-4. He then trades stuff to my npc alt, or if I am actually worried about getting stuff from there out (or lazy, usually lazy), I merely use pubbie courier contracts with excess collateral. At no point will I ever have a gsf character exposed to being ganked due to wardecs in empire. If you want to try to suicide my npc hauler, well you can do that, but that's irrelevant to wardecs. Every so often a wardec will catch someone stupid, but all of our logistics as an alliance and as any major industrialist are designed around the assumption that GSF is always wardecced.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3471	Posted - 2012.06.18 16:57:00 - [4] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Weaselior wrote: if anyone's curious my npc hauler alt was osakran vosbosgernt (or something like that it's hard as hell to spell) for a long time, until i needed him in 0.0 (so now he has a GSF char history if anyone thinks to check and wants to try to suicide me, so I don't use him for actual npc hauiling) i now have another one and use osakran every so often as a *cloaked npc warpin on hulks* that's just one of my personal ones all people who do anything in empire have one Every little ibis or even just a pod. Be careful ~~~ miners started getting wise to pods and ibises but nobody's ever gotten wise to a blockade runner that doesn't decloak
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3471	Posted - 2012.06.18 16:59:00 - [5] - Quote Also if you start thinking "well what about jump freighters!!": that's easy, you just use npc haulers to the lowsec midpoint and then trade over there.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3475	Posted - 2012.06.18 17:06:00 - [6] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see martek alts sitting in stations blowing up ships. It would have went precisely as it did, we had plenty of wardecs and to cover them had a drakefleet murderizing wardecs. Nobody in highsec can come close to standing up to an actual goon fleet, the only things that were remotely annoying were fleets from other 0.0 alliances (who had us wardecced).
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3475	Posted - 2012.06.18 17:07:00 - [7] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: are you stupid? or are you just trying to intimidate.. intel is what I do. Then you don't do it well, at all.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3475	Posted - 2012.06.18 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: we disagree wildly on that point. sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3475	Posted - 2012.06.18 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3479	Posted - 2012.06.18 17:19:00 - [10] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: Weaselior wrote: the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet) that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap? more worthless unorganized nobodies who would have been slaughtered by the drakefleet because they had no organization at all
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote It's amazing how many times jade has been laughed at over his accusation that any 0.0 alliance would care about wardecs, and npc freighters explained to him, yet it's made no impression whatsoever.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:06:00 - [12] - Quote my favorite part was when he stated it was obvious goonswarm leadership was actually terrified of his hilariously dumb plan and as a member of goonswarm leadership i was of course extremely interested in what i was afraid of, and because of that he knows we batphoned ccp jade's response was "well clearly you're afraid because you batphoned ccp" he couldn't even come up with a vaugely plausible reason why we would care, just "well you must have batphoned because it was hurting you, i know it was hurting you because you batphoned"
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:07:00 - [13] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs Not even. That's the funny part. So who was calling for an end to dogpiling on large alliance wardecs really ? you were actually given a direct answer to this question repeatedly and ignored it because it didn't fit into your narrative i would post it again but we all know what trying the same thing and expecting different results is
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:08:00 - [14] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Weaselior wrote: It's amazing how many times jade has been laughed at over his accusation that any 0.0 alliance would care about wardecs, and npc freighters explained to him, yet it's made no impression whatsoever. Funny thing is its only really been 0.0 alliance pilots who have been doing "the laughing" (but nobody really believes them). All we have to judge the reality of the situation is that tomorrow the mechanic is being nerfed into oblivion and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again. actually what the rest of us have to judge the situation with is logic facts and reasoning not "well you must have batphoned because it was hurting you, i know it was hurting you because you batphoned" I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW the fact you can't come up with even a vaugely plausible reason makes it clear your argument is nonsense to anyone armed with logic facts and reasoning
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:10:00 - [15] - Quote dontbanmebro wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again. For the latest of an uncountable number of times: they never did in the first place, ever. we know they did because they batphoned ccp and we know they batphoned ccp because they cared
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:14:00 - [16] - Quote i notice jade has once again lied about the CSM by trying to claim they did not oppose the 1.0 situation, and confuse their advocacy for different systems that fixed the problem as opposing a fix to the problem it is especially hilarious he smears the merc csm by claiming the merc csm agrees with him when the merc csm disagrees with the change because he wants one thats much more severe
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:15:00 - [17] - Quote the CSM, of course, has repeatedly expressed their displeasure with Jade and his craziness and corrected the record more times than I can count, yet made no impression either
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3482	Posted - 2012.06.18 18:24:00 - [18] - Quote "ignore, of course, all the times the CSM directly replied to me and contradicted things I said, over and over, on these very forums" - jade
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3500	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:11:00 - [19] - Quote "goons think the guy who got second in the vote totals ought to take over when the guy who got first gets booted" - jade's brilliant proof two step is actually just a mittens puppet
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3505	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:21:00 - [20] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: It hurts you in the most profound way possible. It hurts the feelings and ego of your leader. All the isk in the world won't make up for the sting when it becomes apparent that the Mittani lost a war to Jade Constantine and needed the 1.0 game mechanics to change in order to protect him from the consequences of defeat. This is fact, public record, simply the way things are. reminder that you've failed to offer any evidence of this ever
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3505	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:22:00 - [21] - Quote once again your pathetic argument is "goons must be scared, because they batphoned ccp! we know they batphoned ccp, because they were scared" meanwhile everyone involved calls you a moron who knows nothing and who is spinning wild conspiracy theories and asks you go away
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3505	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote the funniest part is, jade forgot even he admitted the timeline doesn't work for his war to have been the impetus for the changes like that is a thing he posted in this thread himself and yet now we have him sperging about how it was the fear of jade that caused this
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3506	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:39:00 - [23] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: There are some pretty extraordinary responses to what is a very simple debate about game mechanics. I do wish everyone involved on the other side would take a moment to go have brew a nice cup of tea and calm down a little before continuing. Perhaps have one's significant other have a read of the things you've been posting to bring a second opinion before carrying on. I think you're actually insane, about half your posts don't appear to know about the other half. In this case we're discussing your crazy conspiracy theories because you keep posting them - and posted them on the last page about five minutes ago.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3506	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:40:00 - [24] - Quote right here, this is a post you made: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1496437#post1496437 please make sure the personality currently posting it is aware of it
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3508	Posted - 2012.06.18 19:53:00 - [25] - Quote some days, i envy jade his ability to actually believe his own propaganda in the face of facts strong enough to convince the pope to renounce god
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3517	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:08:00 - [26] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Kyle Myr wrote: I'll keep this simple - weaselior is one of our directors. He's repeatedly asked for you to demonstrate some form of concrete proof that you're hurting us at all. He's also posted our monthly technetium income as a formula on this forum, so if you use the few billion ISK damage we don't reimburse as 'proof', that's fairly easily refuted. Same for posting war record losses - Goonfleet has lost plenty of actual 0.0 wars, let alone empire wars, by the 'isk war' metric, and other, more tangible metrics (taking space, causing opponents to collapse). Yes but so easily you forget the "humiliation of the great leader" metric which can be measured in knuckleposting tweets. This is obviously not a war that has anything to do with isk otherwise I suspect I wouldn't have been able to earn 8.7 billion isk in 4 days while being hunted by the "ministry of love" in their 3 stealth bombers. You are collectively "hurt" when "pubbies" laugh at you. "pubbies" have been laughing at you. Hence you do kinda lose. I don't think angryposting up a storm in multiple threads complaining about your exploit being nerfed and being so angry you write an article that is long pointless and crazy even by en24 standards qualifies as laughing, but see above re: believing own propaganda
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3517	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:21:00 - [27] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Thats because you lack the objectivity to look from behind the goon-coloured shades Weaselor - public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes and considers the Goons (and TEST) were very much reaping what they sowed with the hisec dogpile. Now the mechanic is changing to your benefit you will never again have much credibility telling hisec to "come at me bro" because the answer for the rest of eve's history will be a link to the 1.1 patch notes. We'll merely have to agree to disagree, as your reality and the reality of everyone else posting in this thread are irreconcilable. I congratulate you on having the mental toughness to maintain your own reality, and wish you all the best in your future endevors.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3517	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:23:00 - [28] - Quote also jade i must regrettably inform you that the extent of jabber conversation about you is someone c/ping one of your greatest hits into jabber once a day and everyone laughing, then going back to discussing something important
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3517	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:29:00 - [29] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small. Considering that you believe anyone not posting from a CFC character who disagreeing with you you decide is actually secretly in the CFC (even members of the CSM!), we'll have to agree to disagree on that one too.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3519	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:39:00 - [30] - Quote Dear ISD: when I post "we know goons batphoned CCP because they were scared, and we know they were scared because they batphoned ccp", I am not spreading rumors: I am rephrasing Jade's rumormongering to make clear that he is using circular reasoning. Nobody is intended to believe that statement, it is intended to be so absurd on its face nobody believes it. Sincerely, Weaselior
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3519	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:40:00 - [31] - Quote However, if you wish to edit out rumors, might I suggest the posts I am paraphrasing.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:47:00 - [32] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument. You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:48:00 - [33] - Quote what I'm trying to say is do you see a problem with that logic
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:52:00 - [34] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Weaselior wrote: what I'm trying to say is do you see a problem with that logic I see a problem with you leaving out the line above. the line above is the thing you attempted to prove, which you did by defining yourself as correct and then referencing your definition this rings no alarm bells in your head?
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:52:00 - [35] - Quote no "wait a minute i may have done a dumb there hmm" thoughts?
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 20:54:00 - [36] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Weaselior wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument. You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you. who do I send reimbursement mails to? fortunately we don't pick up the tab for the whole cfc's reimbursements or we might manage to bust our budget with our new size :ohdear:
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 21:00:00 - [37] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue. You really are not very good at this. "he supported an even more extreme version than the current one, therefore he is on my side of opposing any change"
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3522	Posted - 2012.06.18 21:03:00 - [38] - Quote jade come now lying this blatantly is unseemly
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3524	Posted - 2012.06.18 21:30:00 - [39] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: I'm a CSM and I've basically supported what Jade has suggested several times in fact. I believe allies should be free up to a point based on the size of the opponent. The fees for extras in a manner that the fees are passed to the mercs you could hire. So pretty much the same as Jade suggests. Again, amazed at the goon ratio of posters in this thread. Issler I take it you're not willing to defend Two Step from Jade's accusations then, and will happily trash a well-respected CSM member because it's in line with changes you want pushed through for your own personal benefit?

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