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Lucious DeMorte
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:13:00 -
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Hey guys,
Pretty much as the title says, is the Manticore any good or should i be looking at a different SB? Or should i avoid SB like the plague all together?
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Vincent Gaines
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:30:00 -
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just avoid SBs, they're complete crap. especially the manticore.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:37:00 -
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The guy above has no clue.
PVP wise (especially solo) purifier=hound >>> manti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nemesis
If you fly in gangs of around 8-10 ships then any bomber is ok. They are great gang damage support ships (will deal more dps than most hacs against battleships or BCs), can always stay quiet near enemy blob and point something when enemy tries to warp out (just look out coz its very fragile and will die in secons) or provide warpins. SBs can solo, be used in SB gangs or even in normal gangs. To sum up - one of best frig class ships if not THE best and the most versatile.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Vincent Gaines
just avoid SBs, they're complete crap. especially the manticore.
Fail.
SBs are good if you know how and wehn to use em.
Manticore is ok, but imo Hound is a tad better.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:49:00 -
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the manti and nemesis are a little worse off thanks to their fail slot layout compared to purifier or hound. i wouldnt say purifier is equal to hound, though. hound is faster, and with the exception for t2 amarr, explosive is a great damage type to deal vs the very popular armor buffer tanks. the nemesis is crappy thanks to the poor slot layout, and its strict cpu limitations. still, i got one.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.02 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious DeMorte
Hey guys,
Pretty much as the title says, is the Manticore any good or should i be looking at a different SB? Or should i avoid SB like the plague all together?
I rate it as 2nd best after the Hound.
The thing about stealth bombers is that once you've trained for 1, you're only a rank 2 skill from being able to fly any other.
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Vincent Gaines
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.12.02 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 02/12/2009 14:14:05
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Fail.
SBs are good if you know how and wehn to use em.
Manticore is ok, but imo Hound is a tad better.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
The guy above has no clue.
seriously, you all are horrible at detecting sarcasm. 
Hound is better at solo, but by a hair. The manticore is a great bomber, and *is* viable even solo with it's mids.
3x siege II, CN jugg
Covops cloak II
Bomb Launcher I, bomb of choice
SB II, scan res
Warp Disruptor II
PWNAGE
(last mid slot is up for debate, some put up a small SB, some an ECM or damp)
BCU II
nano II
(or possible a DCU II to save your ass)
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Lucious DeMorte
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:29:00 -
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The impression i'm getting is whilst the manticore is okay, i should look to maybe a hound if i want to go for a Stealth Bomber?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious DeMorte
The impression i'm getting is whilst the manticore is okay, i should look to maybe a hound if i want to go for a Stealth Bomber?
I'd really just go for the SB that you got frig 5 in, they are not all that different.
But it kinda depends on what you really want to do with em. 0.0 bombing? Low sec torps? Ratting? Scout? Solo? Gang?
I use them to add dps to stealth gangs, sometimes drop a bomb. And for that most of them can perfrom. Solo is a bit more demending and then a Hound might be the best.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2009.12.03 00:20:00 -
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im in the process of skilling up for this ship with this fitout posted at Battleclinic, but using EFT im having trouble getting all the modules fitted and online, i get close enough for it to recommend me implants for both, but i shouldnt need to have them. other than obvious 'electronics' and 'engineering' skills to boost available CPU and PowerGrid, what other skills will help me to get this ship flying.
Skills posted here
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Deyo
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Posted - 2009.12.03 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Deyo on 03/12/2009 00:33:24
Originally by: Skippermonkey
im in the process of skilling up for this ship with this fitout posted at Battleclinic, but using EFT im having trouble getting all the modules fitted and online, i get close enough for it to recommend me implants for both, but i shouldnt need to have them. other than obvious 'electronics' and 'engineering' skills to boost available CPU and PowerGrid, what other skills will help me to get this ship flying.
Skills posted here
Electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades and Advanced weapons upgrades.
D.
Edit: put it into EFT, you need AWU4 for this to work without implants.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2009.12.03 00:37:00 -
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with those, EFT is being a b*tch and says i need 0.94 more powergrid
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superteds
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:00:00 -
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Might just be me, but i really don't like MWD's and shield extenders on my bombers. If you get locked-you die. So i keep the sig as low as possible, and fit for agility.
Then again this is for nullsec bombing, and for an in-promptu bomb you need all the agility you can get.
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Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious DeMorte
Manticore, a good stealthbomber?
no.
hound = good stealthbomber
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Vincent Gaines
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jarik Utoni
Originally by: Lucious DeMorte
Manticore, a good stealthbomber?
no.
hound = good stealthbomber
I highly beg to differ.
The manti can hold its own very well.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:24:00 -
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Manti can has three delicious midslots. I prefer it to the Hound actually.
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Drazin DawnTreader
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:24:00 -
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Yeah, The Manticore is no slouch. Mine does 652 DPS (5255 alpha) with the launchers alone. I have 2 Target Painters to make sure my damage hits with force and an MWD to push me 1980m/s to help evade battleship weapons.
I only get 54km range on my torps though using Rage torps. I also have just enough room for a bomb launcher using a +3% CPU implant.
Sadly, I have a cap recharger in my 4th midslot to keep me cap stable for longer engagements.
Which means I'll need a tackler to hold a target for me, unless I attack something that can die to my bomb and first volley.
The Hound can't fit my Manticores setup because it lacks CPU. You can get better speed with the Hound (2662m/s) and the same DPS as my Manticore setup, but you can't have 2 painters and the MWD while being cap stable like the manticore, and you need the more expensive +5% cpu implant to do it. So with only 2.5 minutes of capacitor, you have to kill fast or shut something off.
So, while technically the hound is superior, the manticore is very close in capability and is more versatile imo.
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Darthewok
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:27:00 -
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ok, i keep hearing hound is the best SB.
just curious - for what reason is it the best?
speed? agility? damage type? fitting?
tks
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Drazin DawnTreader
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:36:00 -
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Hound can have a higher DPS and alpha strike with 3 lows.
If you go with the same Damage as a manticore, you can make the Hound go much faster.
Fitting is more of an issue for the Hound I think, it doesnt have the CPU the Manticore has.
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.12.03 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
the manti and nemesis are a little worse off thanks to their fail slot layout compared to purifier or hound. i wouldnt say purifier is equal to hound, though. hound is faster, and with the exception for t2 amarr, explosive is a great damage type to deal vs the very popular armor buffer tanks. the nemesis is crappy thanks to the poor slot layout, and its strict cpu limitations. still, i got one.
I hear this all the time, and I don't really get it. All you need on a bomber are 3 launcher, a bomb launcher, a cloak and a MWD. Everything else is just fluff, it's not like you're going to tank anything with it.
I use a nemesis, and it works just fine for it's intended role: killing big things.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.03 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Manti can has three delicious midslots. I prefer it to the Hound actually.
Mine has 4. Hit me up in game to arrange sale terms.
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Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:29:00 -
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Here my little guide to the bomber
enjoy all the juicy info:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1202308
Valadeya
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Vincent Gaines
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.12.03 16:43:00 -
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a solo bomber needs 3 things:
1) a good position for warp out
2) dps
3) locking speed
your goal is to get in there, set up, decloak, fire, and warp out.
if you're in there long enough to take fire you're going to die. Surprise is everything.
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yieasase
H3ad 4uarter 69
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Posted - 2009.12.03 18:20:00 -
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Manticore is the best allrounder, easy to fit with lowskills without getting heavy fitting problems and 2nd best damagedealer in avg for shield and armor tankers and avg for gun and missile boats. You can easily go for sbs or hunt plexes.
I like IKE more: Nemesis with buffer, better avg dps same for alpha with bombs in avg.; lost him with 4-3 skills to hamster =(
nemesis>manticore : as ab buffer blob proof battleship eater, you can tank monsta npc spawn tackled raven plus incoming bs support usualy long enough to smoke him down, probs with ab for countertackle but same with mwd via gay scrambler thingy. something like 4000 hitpointz depends on your skills and implant setup, for soloing and youll get blobed more as once.
Sure sure, no question about shield tankers in kin therm explo regions without em buffer, youll melt him with puri down like theres no next day.
hound>purifier : as ****star rate of fire kings, eats bs for breakfast but youll fail a lot without experiance and both wants maxed skills to handle targetpainter and neutz and small drones with ab, but both are fanboys for gangbang action with mwd, threw your alpha-omg-im-a-mini-titan... and entire gang is save again or one two failed however..
thats what your thinkin afther you bombed 20 bs instant with your sb gang. max dps for shield and armor you can do a insane dps setup in a gang with gangbonuses at cost of buffer, but agil like bux bunny.
yoo manticore is sexeh: check my battleclinic stats for prly the sexiest solo targetpainter golem kill with a manticore evvaaaaaa
use his guide with care, cause youll feel afther it like hulk and youll die like hulk "ingame"
cheers
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Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:41:00 -
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Well, like its said in the guide, it take time to learn the does and dont , but you need to realize everyone as to start somewhere.
When it come to solo bomber, as said in the guide, AB setup are fine, but they have inherent problem when it come to getting out of engagement.
You might think a bomber being targeted is a dead bomber at first, and to be honest, after you realise that some stuff can't even hope to kill you (aka megathron with a set of orgre II and blaster?), you will feel more and more confortable engaging pretty much anything  (as per described in the guide)
Manticore is by no mean a bad bomber, It can be fitted with plenty of pretty mean setup, the main problem with the manticore, when you solo, is being stuck with kinetic damage, that is the most overtanked damage in the game
TL:DR Hound == Purifier >>>>Manticore>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nemesis
Because of racial damage/slot layout, and overall effectivness
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slightly sillydude
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:57:00 -
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Manticore is decent. Its the only one that can fit 2 TPs which is nice in small gangs where your prey typically does not include battleships.
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