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Cho Konnit
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Posted - 2009.12.02 15:47:00 -
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so my friend is a couple of days old and tries the mining thing. he's in one of the closest belts outside his rookie station, thinking he's making progress, when some guy in a rifter comes by and starts shooting cans and trash talking people into fighting him. So my friend (not understanding the game mechanics entirely or having a properly fitted ship) loses a couple ships to this guy and decides to try something else. Is the guy in the rifter crossing the line here or is he just teaching noobs a lesson? Thank you in advance for your replies.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2009.12.02 15:50:00 -
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If he's in a starter system then he can report the player for griefing, through the petition system.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.02 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/12/2009 15:52:46
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/12/2009 15:51:55
No, that is normal game mechanics and him teaching your friend the ropes. Now if your friend left well enough alone and moved to another system after this turn of events, and the guy followed and continued these activites, then it may warrant reporting the player. If the GM sees it as harrasment then they will warn the pilot and that should take care of it.
EDIT: If he was can baited in a rookie system then there is grounds for reporting, but egging someone into aggression is not restricted in rookie systems, in how I interpret the rules.
EDIT2 : What type cans was the guy shooting of your friend?
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 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Cho Konnit
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Posted - 2009.12.02 15:53:00 -
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I went over there and scared the guy away but not 10 mins later someone else was doing it. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente
The Rise of The Dragon Knights
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 15:59:00 -
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Hmmmmm....if he shot his can shouldn't CONCORD show up ?
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this!
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cho Konnit
I went over there and scared the guy away but not 10 mins later someone else was doing it.
Yeah if it is in a rookie system you can petition it.
Or... Block the guy and ignore it.
Secondly... SERIOUS WTF WHY DOES CCP INSTRUCT PEOPLE TO USE CAN MINING IN THE TUTORIAL!
Its like telling a tourist to count their money on a street corner in Detroit.
If you mine without cans then your problem is solved.
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Jalson
Amarr
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:53:00 -
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heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun 
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:57:00 -
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Jetcan mining is an EXPLOIT. CCP decided to leave it in because it's a risky idea that requires forethought and/or friends to do properly.
Your friend was just being taught about EVE.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
This will be fun indeed.
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Cho Konnit
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: James Tritanius
Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
This will be fun indeed.
This is exactly what I'm going to do. Maybe make a hobby of it.
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Jalson
Amarr
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:49:00 -
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heh....the more I think about it the more I like it....even to the point of once I have the can flippers ship gone and if I can get a point on his pod......maybe a little ransom will be in order.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.02 18:23:00 -
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Players do this because its risk free griefing. That line they spin that it 'teaches new players' is total rubbish as players will find out about it sooner or later anyway and perhaps when they are prepared, which these griefers would hate.
Anyway, as said if its in a starter system you can petitions it, otherwise the other options are available anyway.
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F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.03 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Your ideas intrigue me and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
i.e. let us know how it goes and I may join you in such endeavors.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.12.03 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jalson
heh....the more I think about it the more I like it....even to the point of once I have the can flippers ship gone and if I can get a point on his pod......maybe a little ransom will be in order.
If you do happen to destroy their ship, I wouldn't point the pod - CONCORD would disapprove, and they're not the organization you want to get into an argument with... 
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Riedle
Minmatar
Raptus Regalitor
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jalson
heh....the more I think about it the more I like it....even to the point of once I have the can flippers ship gone and if I can get a point on his pod......maybe a little ransom will be in order.
I like how you think, but you can't pod someone for theft.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Your ideas intrigue me and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
i.e. let us know how it goes and I may join you in such endeavors.
You are evile F'nog
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Jalson
Amarr
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.12.03 13:47:00 -
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Yea...the highsec podding part I was unsure of....couldn't remember if it was forgivable or not.
Sigh....nullsec is just SOOO much more fun.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:32:00 -
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Quote:
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Highly unlikely to work. Cloaks give hilarious penalties in the form of a flat number of seconds before you can relock, and a scan resolution penalty. He'll have time to see you, notice you're red, align, scratch his ass, beat off a bit thanks to the new IGB, and then warp off before you can lock him.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Jetcan mining is an EXPLOITa feature. EXPLOITS get removed.
BECAUSE OF EXPLOIT!
Or to put it another way, it WAS an exploit. But it got rolled over into a feature.
Anyhoo...
There. I fix it for u. Is moar akkurat nao. 
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 03/12/2009 15:23:40
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Highly unlikely to work. Cloaks give hilarious penalties in the form of a flat number of seconds before you can relock, and a scan resolution penalty. He'll have time to see you, notice you're red, align, scratch his ass, beat off a bit thanks to the new IGB, and then warp off before you can lock him.
Not if your miner friend has a warp disruptor fitted. That strategery will allow you just warp in from a random safe spot as soon as your miner friend targets back and turns the module on.
"Hey, this miner has a tackle on me! Wait a... OH FFFFFFFFF- *pop*"
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Ralavina
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:33:00 -
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http://forums.spacebattles.com/member.php?u=6343
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Jalson
Amarr
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.12.03 16:24:00 -
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Yea.....I thought about the cloaking issue soon after I posted...
Simple resolution....as stated have miner fit a point, or sit just offgrid and warp to once the can gets flipped.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.12.03 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Hmmm.... juicy battlecruiser or assault frigate kill possible. Running locator agent on Jalson and going to pose as harmless can-flipper... now.
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F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.04 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Jalson
heh.....I'm all for making things difficult for other players but screwing with brand new players is like mugging elderly ppl.
I've got something I think I'm gonna give a try....I recently created an alt that will purely be industrial. I'll have him mine into jetcans set out by my main who will be sitting nearby in a cloaked battlecruiser or assault frig.......this could be fun
Hmmm.... juicy battlecruiser or assault frigate kill possible. Running locator agent on Jalson and going to pose as harmless can-flipper... now.
Now that's just being rude. What did this newb-ganker-ganker ever do to you?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Mrs Thaiberian
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:29:00 -
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can-flippers are the most pathetic EVE players among the already pathetic griefers.
now, bring such brainless activity to a rocky space with the ridiculous excuse of "teaching a lesson to the noobs" is beyond my mind.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:34:00 -
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There's a special place in MMO hell for griefers.
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Starnap
Somali Coastguard Authority
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:01:00 -
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Space is dangerous, and the real danger comes from other players, not NPCs. So it's not just crappy AI you have to fight against.
This makes the game fun and interesting in my opinion.
The rules are balanced so that there is always something you can do to protect yourself or avoid other players who wish you harm.
God I love Eve...
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Jalson
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Starnap
Space is dangerous, and the real danger comes from other players, not NPCs. So it's not just crappy AI you have to fight against.
This makes the game fun and interesting in my opinion.
The rules are balanced so that there is always something you can do to protect yourself or avoid other players who wish you harm.
God I love Eve...
What he said :)
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