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Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.04 14:48:00 -
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Acting President Roden's election was not legitimate due to an illegal vote. There must be a legal election. Until then, Mr. Roden has no mandate in occupied Federation space.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.04 15:25:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
I wish him luck in burning the State to the ground.
Says the former Federal nationalist turned Gurista. As the State goes, so does the ninth outlaw mega. You can of course buy into an illusion that the Gurista do not need the State to feed on.
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2009.12.04 15:31:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Rainus Max on 04/12/2009 15:32:44
It will be interesting to see what Roden does, but he will take it back despite your Caldari chest beating.
Your precious little state will fracture soon enough and I hope the truth about the Malkalen incident its finally revealed and that leads the State down the path of destruction.
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 15:45:00 -
[34]
I swear to the spirits, they should place signs at the borders: "Welcome to the Gallente Federation, please check your sense of morality in for incineration."
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.04 16:42:00 -
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While I don't agree with the removal of voting rights for those in Caldari occupied Federal space, this is a positive step forward for the Federation as a whole.
Foiritan put this 'no-vote' policy in place. When he was elected, the Federation elected a spineless, incompetent and indecisive moron.
The Federation in its current state stands on the edge of a precipice. With the hopeless leadership of Foiritan, or another equally soft Federal politician who favours looking for an easy way out, and more talking than action, the Federation will fall into this precipice.
What the Federation needs is a strong willed leader who's unafraid of a change of direction, and who'll kick the Senate into line and get on with leading the nation.
Despite his hard lined views, Roden can do this. He's the only sensible choice for the job, and the only one with enough backbone and balls to clean up the mess Foiritan has left behind him.
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Elena Elleder
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:35:00 -
[36]
"According to political analyst Ylle Audre, "Roden is probably the closest you can come to a Caldari CEO outside of the State itself"."
Enough said.
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Vendrin
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Considering the amount of Deadspace installations Roden has constructed over the last few months, I would not be suprised if he has already buildt up a considerable force.
I wish him luck in burning the State to the ground.
Come now, if he does that, there goes a third perhaps of our prospective clientele.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:09:00 -
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I think this is about the worst possible outcome of the election.
Originally by: Stitcher
Only the foolish disregard the past..[...]Caldari have long memories, Inhonores
Retaking Caldari Prime would be repeating a mistake. Irony has it that I petitioned for a diplomatic return of the planet to the Caldari in the 2 days before Heth took it back.
Now if Roden actually decides to fullfil his promise, I might actually finally be inclined to join a militia, but it would be on the side of the Caldari.
And I would do this for the good of both Caldari and Gallente. I believe that the animosity between our people will never end without the planet being in Caldari hands.
Peace,
-ChT Biko
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Vikarion
Caldari
Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:29:00 -
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I do hope it is just a campaign promise, verbiage to convince voters to elect him. But the Federation has the power to choose, here. If they desire war, they shall have it, but without the results they expect.
Hopefully, as I said, wiser and cooler heads prevail.
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Zero Kasanshi
Caldari
Caviat Emptor
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:01:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Zero Kasanshi on 06/12/2009 15:02:01
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Considering the amount of Deadspace installations Roden has constructed over the last few months, I would not be suprised if he has already buildt up a considerable force.
I wish him luck in burning the State to the ground.
Even if he has a space force it still doesn't change the fact that the Caldari still have superior ground forces. Last time i checked, the Gallente didnt even have a standing ground force. It wouldn't be too far fetched for some black-ops ships to approach Gallente Prime and soften it up with an orbial bombardment, then launch some dropships full of Caldari MTACS to take the capital. But then what do I know.
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Odilon Raennere
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:33:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Zero Kasanshi
But then what do I know.
Well, you allow that the Federation may be able to field a stronger naval force. What point then would be a covert assault on a planetary surface if the Caldari couldn't retain space superiority throughout the attack and subsequent occupation? We've seen how taxing the Caldari Prime orbital garrison has been, and it isn't being harassed nearly as much as such a force over Gallente Prime would be (read: perpetually attacked in full-force). Without birds in the sky, any dirtside army will eventually fail as the limit of their effectiveness will extend only to terrorism and hostage taking of the populace. This was demonstrated in the State's successful conquest of Caldari Prime -- space superiority alone (blockade of Luminaire's gates and orbital strikes against key Federation targets) enabled the ground forces to succeed. Armies win battles, navies win wars.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.06 17:07:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Zero Kasanshi
But then what do I know.
Not a great deal, by the look of it.
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John Tanashima
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.07 07:07:00 -
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There is a point here that the federals have to understand, Caldari prime is Caldari, it has always been Caldari, and will always be.
If you believe that centuries of occupation is enough to wipe out the Caldari blood and the Caldari ashes, you are wrong, whatever happens to CONCORD sovereignty, the resident gallente will still be living on a Caldari planet, walking surrounded by the vengeful spirits of our ancestors, while they may well be welcome as guests if they come in peaceful trade, they will never be at home there.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:04:00 -
[44]
Originally by: John Tanashima
There is a point here that the federals have to understand, Caldari prime is Caldari, it has always been Caldari, and will always be.
If you believe that centuries of occupation is enough to wipe out the Caldari blood and the Caldari ashes, you are wrong, whatever happens to CONCORD sovereignty, the resident gallente will still be living on a Caldari planet, walking surrounded by the vengeful spirits of our ancestors, while they may well be welcome as guests if they come in peaceful trade, they will never be at home there.
Amen.
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Vorianien
Gallente
Shadow Tek Industries
Temporal Abyss
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:45:00 -
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I have a proposal: Let the Caldari keep Caldari Prime, but return control of the Caldari-occupied territories to the Gallente. |
Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:56:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Vorianien
I have a proposal: Let the Caldari keep Caldari Prime, but return control of the Caldari-occupied territories to the Gallente.
No.
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Vorianien
Gallente
Shadow Tek Industries
Temporal Abyss
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Posted - 2009.12.07 13:50:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Vorianien
I have a proposal: Let the Caldari keep Caldari Prime, but return control of the Caldari-occupied territories to the Gallente.
No.
No? So you deny the residents of that region their say?
You Caldari sc-...
Nevermind. I never expected your folk to understand anyway.
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This is OUR way of life
Of life that was born FREE
To follow orders how to live
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.07 14:33:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Vorianien
I have a proposal: Let the Caldari keep Caldari Prime, but return control of the Caldari-occupied territories to the Gallente.
No.
Vankaalen-haan; you are not in a position to negotiate this, only defend the corporate and Navy assets in the region. Neither am I; I can only present Lai Dai's position.
Mssr. Vorianien, it is in no way that system. There will need to be something less than total return of system control to the Federation; the State is in the position to decide much.
For Lai Dai's part, continuing investment in Placid will mean any peace treaty will allow Lai Dai to operate without being subject to the Federation's laws or taxes for its operations in the region.
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Vorianien
Gallente
Shadow Tek Industries
Temporal Abyss
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:02:00 -
[49]
We'll just have to see what the Intakis have to say about it.
And it seems I have forgotten my manners in that fit of unbridled, and ultimately unfounded rage. Venkaalen, my decent sir, would you kindly explain your answer? Or shall i forever tag you as some raving self-righteous idiot?
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Of life that was born FREE
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Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:42:00 -
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Whatever my views on the Federation, it is atleast partly encouraging to see a man take charge who seems to have some kind of direction. The direction may be flawed, cost many lives, and cause catastrophic damage, but it is a direction, a plan, as opposed to the previous plan of 'sticking fingers in both ears and pretend this isn't happening'.
On the other hand, it does not bode well for those that would like an end to the hostilities.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Vorianien
We'll just have to see what the Intakis have to say about it.
And it seems I have forgotten my manners in that fit of unbridled, and ultimately unfounded rage. Venkaalen, my decent sir, would you kindly explain your answer? Or shall i forever tag you as some raving self-righteous idiot?
We will, won't we?
'No' is my personal response to your empty proposal. Would you kindly entertain us with why you think the State should even consider such an idea, given the current status quo?
Did Alexander Noir pause to ponder the morality of his actions? Was the FDU thinking so neutrally during their push into Black Rise?
Perhaps you'd like to re-visit some of the greatest interactions that have involved our nations in the last two hundred years.
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:32:00 -
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Roden controls large parts of the Gallente ship production facilities. Unless the Gallente Federation get's whiped out totally by this potential war, he's going to make a good profit out of it.
I guess I should buy some Roden shipyard shares and shoot some Gallente Navy vessels.
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Vorianien
Gallente
Shadow Tek Industries
Temporal Abyss
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Posted - 2009.12.08 09:45:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Vorianien
We'll just have to see what the Intakis have to say about it.
And it seems I have forgotten my manners in that fit of unbridled, and ultimately unfounded rage. Venkaalen, my decent sir, would you kindly explain your answer? Or shall i forever tag you as some raving self-righteous idiot?
We will, won't we?
'No' is my personal response to your empty proposal. Would you kindly entertain us with why you think the State should even consider such an idea, given the current status quo?
Did Alexander Noir pause to ponder the morality of his actions? Was the FDU thinking so neutrally during their push into Black Rise?
Perhaps you'd like to re-visit some of the greatest interactions that have involved our nations in the last two hundred years.
So, basically, "an eye for an eye"?
Hmmm...
I understand that position, simply becuase i face it many times in daily life.
Anyway it simply saddens me that recently the Gallente have been the initial belligerent factor in most.
But that does not make me shirk my loyalty to freedom and liberty.
Anyways, I guess your stand, although almost invalid in my opinion, still has its merits. Forgive me if you think that in the end, the State and Federation can indeed get along together, despite our diverging ways of life. In fact, was the State not part of the Federation at its founding? I'm not saying the state should be reintegrated into the Federation, but live side-by-side as neighbours. Society is about being able to deal with each others' ****, often through gritted teeth.
Oh, but of course, reality and history has to rear it's ugly head all the time.
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This is OUR way of life
Of life that was born FREE
To follow orders how to live
Was NEVER meant to be |
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