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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.12.06 11:42:00 -
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Guys, what we really need to fix is MOM's ludicrous vulnerability to sniper fleets!
Oh, and the fact that they have pretty much no real purpose and get two shotted by titans.
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Lith Erivi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.06 12:47:00 -
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No no, obviously this isn't terribly important and can wait so sayeth CCP.
(**** CCP)
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Siddy
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bibbleibble Guys, what we really need to fix is MOM's ludicrous vulnerability to sniper fleets!
Oh, and the fact that they have pretty much no real purpose and get two shotted by titans.
one shotted byt ***** Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.06 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
Originally by: Bibbleibble Guys, what we really need to fix is MOM's ludicrous vulnerability to sniper fleets!
Oh, and the fact that they have pretty much no real purpose and get two shotted by titans.
one shotted byt *****
well here's someone I haven't seen in a while ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.12.06 14:35:00 -
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What is is not?
3 weeks since ANY GM/dev or any one from CCP has posted in any threads about this crap.
Can somone say wtf is going on?
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Vengeance Raze
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blade BKA Edited by: Blade BKA on 06/12/2009 10:59:47 Lovely stuff, this was me sitting just outside the pos shields. Full slave set and notice... It only took 1 dd. Lucky I took off my core X tank seeing as I already knew moms were worthless...
So wait... lets get this straight... you had a core x tank that would have meant your worthless "15b" isk ship would have survived not only the DD from the Leviathan, but also the DD from the Erebus as well (coupled with slaves)...
You took the 1.5b in mods off the ship, to save them incase you ever ran into a titan or two...
It totally sucks that you lost your ship to a stupid game imbalance. But seriously, you risked 15b in assests to save 1.5b of modules?! When in this case, had you left the modules on, you would have crawled back into the shields before the 5 min recharge...
Why?! Because clearly saving those modules over securing you ship was the priority?!
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Odda
Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vengeance Raze
Originally by: Blade BKA Edited by: Blade BKA on 06/12/2009 10:59:47 Lovely stuff, this was me sitting just outside the pos shields. Full slave set and notice... It only took 1 dd. Lucky I took off my core X tank seeing as I already knew moms were worthless...
So wait... lets get this straight... you had a core x tank that would have meant your worthless "15b" isk ship would have survived not only the DD from the Leviathan, but also the DD from the Erebus as well (coupled with slaves)...
You took the 1.5b in mods off the ship, to save them incase you ever ran into a titan or two...
It totally sucks that you lost your ship to a stupid game imbalance. But seriously, you risked 15b in assests to save 1.5b of modules?! When in this case, had you left the modules on, you would have crawled back into the shields before the 5 min recharge...
Why?! Because clearly saving those modules over securing you ship was the priority?!
Titan popped after first dd, second one didd fire his doomsday.
Dedspace tank whuld not have saved him.
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Vengeance Raze
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Odda
Originally by: Vengeance Raze
Originally by: Blade BKA Edited by: Blade BKA on 06/12/2009 10:59:47 Lovely stuff, this was me sitting just outside the pos shields. Full slave set and notice... It only took 1 dd. Lucky I took off my core X tank seeing as I already knew moms were worthless...
So wait... lets get this straight... you had a core x tank that would have meant your worthless "15b" isk ship would have survived not only the DD from the Leviathan, but also the DD from the Erebus as well (coupled with slaves)...
You took the 1.5b in mods off the ship, to save them incase you ever ran into a titan or two...
It totally sucks that you lost your ship to a stupid game imbalance. But seriously, you risked 15b in assests to save 1.5b of modules?! When in this case, had you left the modules on, you would have crawled back into the shields before the 5 min recharge...
Why?! Because clearly saving those modules over securing you ship was the priority?!
Titan popped after first dd, second one didd fire his doomsday.
Dedspace tank whuld not have saved him.
Ermmm.. wrong. Considering he had slaves fitted.
amirite?
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse death from above..
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:33:00 -
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man thats HILLARIOUS.
sitting there in your 20bill isk ship, with 20bill is mods thinking yay im cool, i love my mothership its so pretty.
Local goes up by 1 pilot, still feel safe, oh look its a titan, in pod 13 seconds later.
i totally feel for the guy, what a joke, its quite possibly the stupidest thing iv ever seen ccp do and iv seen alot of stupid things.
d solo.
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Vengeance Raze
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:39:00 -
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o/ d solo.
God how I loved the Insurgency push north back when I was with LFC.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:52:00 -
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How is this imbalanced exactly?
The second someone gives what people actually believe to be a sound answer, I want the solution CCP comes up with done to destroyers so they don't insta pop to cruisers thanks!
Just looks like DD is working as intended. Even with a tank, I want to see anyship smaller than a titan evaporate.
DD should be finger of death. It picks you, you die. Too bad, better luck next time not being picked.
CCP, feel free to up the hitpoints on caps, but wind up the damage done by DDs enough to still end with this result.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Mike Takumi
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.12.06 16:15:00 -
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You think that a weapon that costs 6-10 mil (if I remember right after the changes) to fire should be able to destroy a ship that costs 15 bil for just the hull, then another 10-15 for the fitting? With the justification that a cruiser can kill a destroyer, which it shouldn't be able to do in one volley, let alone do with ONE SINGLE WEAPON.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.12.06 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty How is this imbalanced exactly?
The second someone gives what people actually believe to be a sound answer, I want the solution CCP comes up with done to destroyers so they don't insta pop to cruisers thanks!
Just looks like DD is working as intended. Even with a tank, I want to see anyship smaller than a titan evaporate.
DD should be finger of death. It picks you, you die. Too bad, better luck next time not being picked.
CCP, feel free to up the hitpoints on caps, but wind up the damage done by DDs enough to still end with this result.
It's more like battlecruisers not being supposed to instapop to battleships than your destroyer/cruiser analogy.
DD should be the finger of death to everything except supercaps. That isn't being disputed, but what is being disputed is the obseletion of an entire ship class because CCP seems to be suffering from some form of design schizophrenia, and can't even do the most obvious of improvements to a long suffering ship class.
If I spend the time and money on a mothership, I expect to be able to get more fun out of it than:
Me: Yay! My mom is finished! <Titan warps on grid> Me: Hey, that titan is locking me... <Doomsday WTFBBQPWN's me> Me: Ah well, I guess there are plenty more 20billion ISK ships around...
That is what people are complaining about.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bibbleibble
It's more like battlecruisers not being supposed to instapop to battleships than your destroyer/cruiser analogy.
Titans are smaller and cheaper than carriers? We're not playing the same game. Good opening counter there (not).
Originally by: Bibbleibble
DD should be the finger of death to everything except supercaps. That isn't being disputed, but what is being
no exceptions, it should be finger of death period. If there is to be an exception in the game, CCP needs to make it so anyone targetting my ship has a 50% chance of their damage being reflected back at them ;-0
Originally by: Bibbleibble
disputed is the obseletion of an entire ship class because CCP seems to be suffering from some form of design schizophrenia, and can't even do the most obvious of improvements to a long suffering ship class.
Oh its suffered soo much more than say the one trick pony dreads. As for obseletion, do what?
Seriously, you can jump into a fight or sit on a pos edge and hand out masses of fighters + the stuff you can move in one, you can resupply support when they lose a ship. Clearly suffering greatly.
Originally by: Bibbleibble
If I spend the time and money on a mothership, I expect to be able to get more fun out of it than:
Me: Yay! My mom is finished! <Titan warps on grid> Me: Hey, that titan is locking me... <Doomsday WTFBBQPWN's me> Me: Ah well, I guess there are plenty more 20billion ISK ships around...
That is what people are complaining about.
Excellent use of a titan.
Don't warp in on grid on a SINGLE LONELY ship that you really don't need there.
Silly use of any ship shall result in death. That's a harsh reality in EVE. Stop wanting the game to be without risk or trying to buy your way out of it. You want to be titan proof, sit in a titan or something small enough to warp away!
Here's some more 'Teaching you how to suck eggs':
There is safety in numbers. Take 10+ caps to the fight with proper support and now the titan pilot that DDs one of your fleet will likely die to the others.
I feel like someone I know telling you how to play the game. No wonder he gets frustrated. :-)
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bibbleibble on 06/12/2009 18:12:01
Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Bibbleibble
It's more like battlecruisers not being supposed to instapop to battleships than your destroyer/cruiser analogy.
Titans are smaller and cheaper than carriers? We're not playing the same game. Good opening counter there (not).
Originally by: Bibbleibble
DD should be the finger of death to everything except supercaps. That isn't being disputed, but what is being
no exceptions, it should be finger of death period. If there is to be an exception in the game, CCP needs to make it so anyone targetting my ship has a 50% chance of their damage being reflected back at them ;-0
Originally by: Bibbleibble
disputed is the obseletion of an entire ship class because CCP seems to be suffering from some form of design schizophrenia, and can't even do the most obvious of improvements to a long suffering ship class.
Oh its suffered soo much more than say the one trick pony dreads. As for obseletion, do what?
Seriously, you can jump into a fight or sit on a pos edge and hand out masses of fighters + the stuff you can move in one, you can resupply support when they lose a ship. Clearly suffering greatly.
Originally by: Bibbleibble
If I spend the time and money on a mothership, I expect to be able to get more fun out of it than:
Me: Yay! My mom is finished! <Titan warps on grid> Me: Hey, that titan is locking me... <Doomsday WTFBBQPWN's me> Me: Ah well, I guess there are plenty more 20billion ISK ships around...
That is what people are complaining about.
Excellent use of a titan.
Don't warp in on grid on a SINGLE LONELY ship that you really don't need there.
Silly use of any ship shall result in death. That's a harsh reality in EVE. Stop wanting the game to be without risk or trying to buy your way out of it. You want to be titan proof, sit in a titan or something small enough to warp away!
Here's some more 'Teaching you how to suck eggs':
There is safety in numbers. Take 10+ caps to the fight with proper support and now the titan pilot that DDs one of your fleet will likely die to the others.
I feel like someone I know telling you how to play the game. No wonder he gets frustrated. :-)
I could write out a long reply, but I just think it would make us argue more about this.
Tell you what, you tell me what Mom's purpose is now that they can be instantly popped.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Takumi You think that a weapon that costs 6-10 mil (if I remember right after the changes) to fire should be able to destroy a ship that costs 15 bil for just the hull, then another 10-15 for the fitting? With the justification that a cruiser can kill a destroyer, which it shouldn't be able to do in one volley, let alone do with ONE SINGLE WEAPON.
I see, another person with no idea commenting.
Its actually between 300 to 700mill for the weapon that can fire one time per 10mins and is called a 'DOOMSDAY DEVICE' and consumes 50k of isotopes.
So costs the titan pilot (too many billions) for the ship.
Too many billions for a non-t2 fit (Officer clearly).
Then between 15-30mill for one shot in ammo?
And then they can't leave the system for 10mins making them prone to being tackled.
Yah, clearly that 15bill ship that shouldn't have been all alone (without support etc etc making the titan pilot think twice before engaging) should be able to survive one of these monsters on it.
Seriously, super caps do cost way too much (Only time you'll see me in one is if I steal one or I'm on sisi) but hey you paid for em and look how many there are in game.
Now look how much titans cost compared. If isk value is your counter, its not a very good one.
Let titan pilots have their 'single shot wtfbbq people' weapon. Its doing what it was intended to do. Making Titans a ship you tremble at the sight of.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Odda
Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:23:00 -
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Here we go agin:
- Nyx with slave/officer/trimarks wil die in two dd's ( one dd wil bring you to 10-20% armor )
- Nyx with slave / t2 tank wil die in ONE DD
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bibbleibble I could write out a long reply, but I just think it would make us argue more about this.
Tell you what, you tell me what Mom's purpose is now that they can be instantly popped.[/quote
Ok, I'll tell you what their purpose isn't first, then tell you what it is.
Its not to go warp into a fight, fart about agro'ing people without support, its not a soloing win machine (any more, it used to be, slap on some smart bombs, sit on a gate, ring up the kills ;-) )
Its purpose in its bonuses like every ship in EVE:
Can fit Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules
^^- repping stuff
Can fit Clone Vat Bay
^^- mobile station for key people that you want to keep in system and are prone to being podded
Can fit Projected Electronic Counter Measures
^^- not seen this in action
Can deploy 3 additional Fighters per level
^^- you assign 5 to 4 support members, have you seen the DPS these things can dish out? Ouch!
Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level
^^- seeing as its sitting at a pos, might as well dish out fantastic bonuses
200% bonus to Fighter control range Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare
^^- ut ohs, clearly useless ability when there are no HICs about to catcha (or just could just ECM them and go)
People saying this ship is useless do nothing at all for the game. You sound like falcon / vaga / curse pilots before they got their rebalance. None of the above ships became unusable. Just had to 'think' a bit before you engaged.
Thinking is something that is lacking here.
Ok, well the Mrs just came home from doing 'whatever' so I will now log into the actual game and go play ;-0
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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cho0li0
Gallente Universal Exports Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:27:00 -
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Don't worry, CCP will change motherships in next major patch for Dominion.
Change would have been quite heavy for people who have Mothership Blueprints, and the ships. So I am quite sure that is the reason why CCP pulled it off.
Imagine investing tens of billions of ISK into mothership or mothership blueprints and then CCP would devalue them overnight. Bad.
The actual change for fighter bombers and HP buff is good, and it's coming. I smell that CCP is trying to figure out something more for Motherships, totally new role alongside those changes. Fighterbombers might actually drop away. But HP buff is coming, that's for sure since right now we all know how vulnerable Motherships are to Titans. With 15-20 B ISK price tag, that's not acceptable.
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Airtight Alibi
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:32:00 -
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^^ hell of a lot of good an "upcoming hp buff" does for that dude who lost his nyx to ccp's brainfart.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 06/12/2009 18:41:35 I have a much simpler reply to your "Hurf blurf titans r ph34rsome" post Splurty, actually.
It's clear that the original capital redesign paradigm did not intend for motherships/supercarriers to die to even a few Titan DDs - even when they made them dockable/5b build cost/few figbees/needed a target painter on a sieged dread, they still had the original HP boost. In the ensuing CCP DevPanic (TM) over the reaction to the sudden changes two weeks before patch, they removed all changes in favor of spending more time figuring out WTF to do with them.
Unfortunately, while the other capitals were modified to fit their new design, motherships/supercarriers were not - titans were originally balanced against supercaps not dying to them, which is not the case on TQ currently. Ergo, CCP should implement the HP buff as originally specified to give the mothership/supercarrier pilot reason to do more than spin the ship in space or assign fighters at a POS (which is the exact opposite of what CCP wanted these ships to do, as per their original redesign).
(Triaging a mom? The way titans are now - or heck, ever? Seriously? Also, tbfh I've never seen a clone vat bay used on either ship that supports them - and if you're going to carry ships and clones to a fight, might as well do it in a titan that won't die if sneezed upon by other titans. Assign fighters at a POS? If you're going to get instapopped, might as well do it in a fully insurable carrier that doesn't require a special POS or holding alt to maintain. Fantastic bonuses? Might as well sit in a commandship that enhances the operation of said links and costs billions of isk and a POS/Alt less - or contribute your 15b to a baby titan that gives much better bonuses. I'm fairly certain you're a troll - well played, friend.)
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.12.06 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/12/2009 18:54:23
Originally by: Bibbleibble [ DD should be the finger of death to everything except supercaps. That isn't being disputed
Oh yes it is. A one shot dependable- no counter weapon should be and IS being disputed
SKUNK (o)
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Shad0w Hawk
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.06 19:17:00 -
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Since you're probably talking about that nyx that was 1 shotted today, I'd like to point out that if you throw a nyx into EFT, fitting to tank 2-3x any race of DD's is no rocket science.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.06 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shad0w Hawk Since you're probably talking about that nyx that was 1 shotted today, I'd like to point out that if you throw a nyx into EFT, fitting to tank 2-3x any race of DD's is no rocket science.
Sigh. Yes it is possible. No it is not a very useful fitting.
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Dungheap
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.06 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blade BKA Edited by: Blade BKA on 06/12/2009 10:59:47 Lovely stuff, this was me sitting just outside the pos shields. Full slave set and notice... It only took 1 dd. Lucky I took off my core X tank seeing as I already knew moms were worthless... 2009.12.06 10:26
Victim: Blade BKA Corp: Therapy. Alliance: District Asylum Faction: NONE Destroyed: Nyx System: Aunenen Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 1161977
Involved parties:
Name: Caletha Reborn (laid the final blow) Security: 4.5 Corp: Rionnag Alba Alliance: Triumvirate. Faction: NONE Ship: Leviathan Weapon: Oblivion Damage Done: 1157923
Name: Umberto Tann Security: -1.4 Corp: D00M. Alliance: Triumvirate. Faction: NONE Ship: Nidhoggur Weapon: Garde II Damage Done: 4054
Name: F4ze Security: -1.7 Corp: D00M. Alliance: Triumvirate. Faction: NONE Ship: Erebus Weapon: Aurora Ominae Damage Done: 0
[Nyx, Blade BKA's Nyx] Damage Control II Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster,Scan Resolution
Brokara's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer Brokara's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
i don't fly them, and i don't know what it's intended purpose is, but that tank looks suspiciously like the one on my myrmidon.
couldn't you think of a less expensive way to prove a point?
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AmarrVictor
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Posted - 2009.12.06 21:23:00 -
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you just need to realize that you cant fly a mothership like you used to. It cant have a local tank any more, it has to be all resists, you need tech 2 trimarks and you need a legion in gang running gang mods with you. If you do all that your fine.
Nyx:
Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
With a full slave set your looking at just under 10 million hitpoints which should tank 3 titans. If your on your game with the scanner as you should be you can overload at the right time and push that to 14.5 million hitpoints. If your moving as you should be thats what, 5 titans?
Adapt or die tbh. People should be using this as an excuse to gank titans not whining about it.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2009.12.06 21:52:00 -
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Oh how I missed this game, and CCP's excellent balancing changes. ________
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Odda
Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Odda on 06/12/2009 23:09:21
Originally by: AmarrVictor you just need to realize that you cant fly a mothership like you used to. It cant have a local tank any more, it has to be all resists, you need tech 2 trimarks and you need a legion in gang running gang mods with you. If you do all that your fine.
Nyx:
Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
With a full slave set your looking at just under 10 million hitpoints which should tank 3 titans. If your on your game with the scanner as you should be you can overload at the right time and push that to 14.5 million hitpoints. If your moving as you should be thats what, 5 titans?
Adapt or die tbh. People should be using this as an excuse to gank titans not whining about it.
This is with the X SISI Stats?
This wil push nowhere close on TQ...
same fitt on mine (28.5% EANMS instead) that is 5,4 mil ehfp! Wil stil die to two dd's
One DD wil gett you to 10-20% armor ... (yes testet on tq)
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Lith Erivi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:55:00 -
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Ya! Let's spend 5b more on the fit so we die to two DD's instead of one, obviously this is the intended way to play a MS!
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lith Erivi Ya! Let's spend 5b more on the fit so we die to two DD's instead of one, obviously this is the intended way to play a MS!
It's me, I'm agreeing with a goon
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