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General Dust	Posted - 2009.12.06 05:33:00 - [1] Anyone have a good solo Harbie fit that they would like to share?
Irish Ranger1	Posted - 2009.12.06 06:04:00 - [2] Originally by: General Dust Anyone have a good solo Harbie fit that they would like to share? kes just posted an extensive thread on solo fits for all races. Amarr here
Grut The Protei	Posted - 2009.12.06 10:21:00 - [3] 1st off armour or shield tanked. Armour Pros Cap booster + web More ehp Shield Pros Damage much more Speed/agility I like shield due to the ability to kite with more damage, but in the end it comes down to personal perference. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Grut 1st off armour or shield tanked. Armour Pros Cap booster + web More ehp Shield Pros Damage much more Speed/agility I like shield due to the ability to kite with more damage, but in the end it comes down to personal perference. He said solo. Shield harby would be a horrible mistake for solo. No web means an AF will kill you, no cap booster means any kind of neut will shut you down. In a gang you can just let friends finish something if you get neuted with a shield harby, solo you cannot.
King Rothgar Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.12.06 12:45:00 - [5] I recommend the following setup for solo with the harby. I've tried just about every sensible harby setup there is and found this one to have the best balance of firepower, tank and mobility. With all lvl5 skills and no implants the stats are: 515 dps, 76k EHP, 106 dps active tank, 896 m/s top speed. It's meant to warp in at about 15-20km, exploit its scorch to get a few free shots in and promptly close to web range where you switch to multifrequency. The explosive drones help a lot when facing armor tankers, don't use hammerheads as a rule. It has a maximum effective gun range of about 24km, standard disruptor range is 24k so generally speaking, if it can point you, you can beat the crap out of it. It is weak to tracking disruptors and dedicated neut ships like the curse. [Harbinger, standard] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Valkyrie II x5 -----------------------------------------------------
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:07:00 - [6] [Harbinger, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 I recommend this fit. Use with slaves and damage implants.
Veliria	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:10:00 - [7] Here's an interesting setup [Harbinger, QBL] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Small Nosferatu II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 May seem weird, but it does decent damage and hits 110k EHP.
Ap0ll0n Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:47:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Grut 1st off armour or shield tanked. Armour Pros Cap booster + web More ehp Shield Pros Damage much more Speed/agility I like shield due to the ability to kite with more damage, but in the end it comes down to personal perference. He said solo. Shield harby would be a horrible mistake for solo. No web means an AF will kill you, no cap booster means any kind of neut will shut you down. In a gang you can just let friends finish something if you get neuted with a shield harby, solo you cannot. You obviously have no idea what your talking about haha.. Shield harb is probably one of the best solo BC¦s..
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.06 16:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Ap0ll0n Shield harb is probably one of the best solo BC¦s.. You think that shield harbi without cap booster and any frig defence?
Ap0ll0n Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 16:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Ap0ll0n Shield harb is probably one of the best solo BC¦s.. You think that shield harbi without cap booster and any frig defence? Why do you wanna fight frigates?
TimMc Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 16:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Ap0ll0n Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Ap0ll0n Shield harb is probably one of the best solo BC¦s.. You think that shield harbi without cap booster and any frig defence? Why do you wanna fight frigates? This is solo pvp in a bc, you rarely have much of a choice who you fight.
Ap0ll0n Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 16:57:00 - [12] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Ap0ll0n Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Ap0ll0n Shield harb is probably one of the best solo BC¦s.. You think that shield harbi without cap booster and any frig defence? Why do you wanna fight frigates? This is solo pvp in a bc, you rarely have much of a choice who you fight. Use ECM drones..
Grut The Protei	Posted - 2009.12.06 17:15:00 - [13] Originally by: TimMc He said solo. Shield harby would be a horrible mistake for solo. No web means an AF will kill you, no cap booster means any kind of neut will shut you down. In a gang you can just let friends finish something if you get neuted with a shield harby, solo you cannot. You can fit a small neut + ew drones which is more then enough for friggies usually. It can kite other bcs out of neut range just fine so I don't really see the issue. If you go for an armour setup you have to fully commit, usually within web/scram range so 0 chance to disengage, but as you mentioned you get the cap booster + web. Its a tradeoff, not shield omglolzfails or armour istehwin. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.06 17:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 06/12/2009 17:47:40 - if you think you can "kite" other bc, because you are 100 m/s faster than him, you are wrong, you will only kite noobs, that have no idea what are they doing /because you have to wait to the end of mwd cycle to overheat.../ - if you think 100 m/s more gives you possibility to disengage, you are wrong - ecm drones are good idea for solo - but they will cost you 150 dps from hh2s - they die very fast - they are also very effective tbh, just dont fit very good in "gank fast and gtfo" philosophy - ecm drones can be decent defense against 1 frig - if you are lucky - neut only work if frig doesnt have nos - so 800rt hpl harbi - more ehp, web, cap booster - shield harbi - slightly faster and more agile Btw if you look at kessah fits you can see, that you can trade around 50 dps for additional 8k ehp by switching 3 hpls for fmps
Grut The Protei	Posted - 2009.12.06 18:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Grut on 06/12/2009 18:23:01 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 06/12/2009 17:47:40 - if you think you can "kite" other bc, because you are 100 m/s faster than him, you are wrong, you will only kite noobs, that have no idea what are they doing /because you have to wait to the end of mwd cycle to overheat.../ - if you think 100 m/s more gives you possibility to disengage, you are wrong - ecm drones are good idea for solo - but they will cost you 150 dps from hh2s - they die very fast - they are also very effective tbh, just dont fit very good in "gank fast and gtfo" philosophy - ecm drones can be decent defense against 1 frig - if you are lucky - neut only work if frig doesnt have nos - so 800rt hpl harbi - more ehp, web, cap booster - shield harbi - slightly faster and more agile Btw if you look at kessah fits you can see, that you can trade around 50 dps for additional 8k ehp by switching 3 hpls for fmps We're talking about bcs not frigs... even on overload an 800 harb's got a 260m/s advantage over a shield harb, thats not much to makeup the ground in time when the shield harbs more agile. But thats pretty pointless theorycrafting because everyone and their mum fits 1600rts to anything cruiser sized and above. A shield harbs either going to be nano'd or have a TE2 over an 800 fit, probably abit more dps if the 800 fit doesn't have a 3rd HS or more ehp due to overloaded inv's being uber. In return for being slower and doing less dps, an armour harb gets more ehp, a cap booster and a web .... simples. As I posted above one setup isn't massively better the other it just comes down to personal choice. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Ap0ll0n Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 18:29:00 - [16] You need to fly both before you can judge. The shield harb with nano¦s have the ability to bail, the armor tanked harb is stuck.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:18:00 - [17] 800rt harbi has better ehp than shield harbi even with 3x hs. Btw invul eats alot of your cap per second. Fitting tes to harbi is waste, because you already have 23+5km range. And you wont be able to hit orbiting inty even with 2x te with hpls on harbi. Shield harbi can be small gang gankboat or wanabe vagacane /only with cap issues, cpu issues, less frig defence, no selectabe damage type and slower.../. Do whatever you want, but in my experience that 2 extra meds are worth it.
fmercury Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Ap0ll0n Use ECM drones.. then armor harb outdamages you and significantly outtanks you, leaving you with a meaningless 100-200m/s speed advantage. shield harb is **** for solo, don't try and argue otherwise
General Dust	Posted - 2009.12.07 01:46:00 - [19] Edited by: General Dust on 07/12/2009 01:48:10 Thanks for the pointers guys. ;) I found the fit that I'm happy with though. High Heavy pulse II x7 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Med Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburner J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler Medium Cap Booster II (with 400's) X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Low DC II EANM II Heat Sink II x3 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Rig Med Trimark Armor Pump I x3 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5

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