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DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.12 18:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Vance Valorium Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: DeFood Five gun slots + ample powergrid give you a ship that can go from one of the longest range, to one of the shortest range high damage setups. "Ample powergrid" is not a comment I have heard about Thorax before this... No kidding. "Ample powergrid" on a Thorax...I just laughed... coff I fly lots of Gallente ships. The author was comparing the rax to the celestis. The celestis does not have ample powergrid - or the low slots to make up the defecit. Sure the rax doesnt have the PGrid of a amarr ship. But then, its not designed or required to equip 5 heavy beams :P
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.12 18:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Vance Valorium Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: DeFood Five gun slots + ample powergrid give you a ship that can go from one of the longest range, to one of the shortest range high damage setups. "Ample powergrid" is not a comment I have heard about Thorax before this... No kidding. "Ample powergrid" on a Thorax...I just laughed... coff I fly lots of Gallente ships. The author was comparing the rax to the celestis. The celestis does not have ample powergrid - or the low slots to make up the defecit. Sure the rax doesnt have the PGrid of a amarr ship. But then, its not designed or required to equip 5 heavy beams :P
Esrevatem Dlareme	Posted - 2004.11.12 19:36:00 - [33] I'd personally recommend getting the Vexor before the Celestis...unless you absolutely have to have the missles. The Vexor is around 1/2 the cost of a Thorax, and it's a very versitle ship. Very agile too. But once again, if you have better missle skills than drone skills, you might want to consider the Celestis first. ______________________________________________ As I stand, dazzled by the shattered twilight, I think back... I think back to all the events that have brought me here. And I realize... I realize I was ment to come here. Someone wanted me to come here. And now, I have come here.
Esrevatem Dlareme	Posted - 2004.11.12 19:36:00 - [34] I'd personally recommend getting the Vexor before the Celestis...unless you absolutely have to have the missles. The Vexor is around 1/2 the cost of a Thorax, and it's a very versitle ship. Very agile too. But once again, if you have better missle skills than drone skills, you might want to consider the Celestis first. ______________________________________________ As I stand, dazzled by the shattered twilight, I think back... I think back to all the events that have brought me here. And I realize... I realize I was ment to come here. Someone wanted me to come here. And now, I have come here.
Tiberius Rex	Posted - 2004.11.12 21:26:00 - [35] Give the BlasterRax a try, I am sure you will not be let down.
Tiberius Rex	Posted - 2004.11.12 21:26:00 - [36] Give the BlasterRax a try, I am sure you will not be let down.
DannyTheGreat	Posted - 2004.11.13 12:53:00 - [37] caracal with mwd(s) and good pilot would own both thorax and celestis i personally wud never use a gallente ship for fighting pvp and idont know many other people that would either
DannyTheGreat	Posted - 2004.11.13 12:53:00 - [38] caracal with mwd(s) and good pilot would own both thorax and celestis i personally wud never use a gallente ship for fighting pvp and idont know many other people that would either
Erzengal	Posted - 2004.11.13 17:02:00 - [39] Originally by: DannyTheGreat caracal with mwd(s) and good pilot would own both thorax and celestis i personally wud never use a gallente ship for fighting pvp and idont know many other people that would either You dont get out much... do you? Alqualonde, go with what you will enjoy. The thorax has many advantages over its gallente counterparts. The celes does give you the versitility of having some different setups with those launcher slots. Though if really like missiles, perhaps you should look at purchasing a Caracal.
Erzengal	Posted - 2004.11.13 17:02:00 - [40] Originally by: DannyTheGreat caracal with mwd(s) and good pilot would own both thorax and celestis i personally wud never use a gallente ship for fighting pvp and idont know many other people that would either You dont get out much... do you? Alqualonde, go with what you will enjoy. The thorax has many advantages over its gallente counterparts. The celes does give you the versitility of having some different setups with those launcher slots. Though if really like missiles, perhaps you should look at purchasing a Caracal.
laserc	Posted - 2004.11.13 17:59:00 - [41] Edited by: laserc on 13/11/2004 18:03:26 Originally by: Thyro Originally by: Toran Mehtar Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game. But, a large part of what makes it so good is its large drone bay. If you don't have the skills to take advantage of that, then a celestis might not be a bad option. Of course, you can always get a thorax later on, and it won't hurt quite as much if you lose the celestis whilst getting used to handling cruisers. "Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game." ... yeah and very easy to be killed by a single caracal [Edit] The thorax can mine well too :) Even u could see ur drones flying around ur egg-pod once the caracal finished "your best cruiser in the game" Let me reword for you... "Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game just for mining... and even so I'll not be so sure if other Caldari cruiser specialized in mining will not beat Thorax in that job" now between Celestis and Thorax... yeah Thorax is nice.. now thorax for other ships... thorax is good for mining (mainly) I fly a thorax, and I used to fly a caracal, guess which one I prefer? Ok, a fast caracal is the only possible way to beat it, but if they caracal is flying away from you then just don't bother, all you gotta do is turn around in the thorax and get out of any scramblers range with the mwd. Without an mwd the caracal would easily be beat by the thorax, simply because the small blaster tank rax will last more then long enough to where you can get close enough to use all 8 ogres and all 5 blasters :) Which is, probobly the most damage/ per second a cruiser could do. =)
laserc	Posted - 2004.11.13 17:59:00 - [42] Edited by: laserc on 13/11/2004 18:03:26 Originally by: Thyro Originally by: Toran Mehtar Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game. But, a large part of what makes it so good is its large drone bay. If you don't have the skills to take advantage of that, then a celestis might not be a bad option. Of course, you can always get a thorax later on, and it won't hurt quite as much if you lose the celestis whilst getting used to handling cruisers. "Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game." ... yeah and very easy to be killed by a single caracal [Edit] The thorax can mine well too :) Even u could see ur drones flying around ur egg-pod once the caracal finished "your best cruiser in the game" Let me reword for you... "Thorax is arguably the best cruiser in the game just for mining... and even so I'll not be so sure if other Caldari cruiser specialized in mining will not beat Thorax in that job" now between Celestis and Thorax... yeah Thorax is nice.. now thorax for other ships... thorax is good for mining (mainly) I fly a thorax, and I used to fly a caracal, guess which one I prefer? Ok, a fast caracal is the only possible way to beat it, but if they caracal is flying away from you then just don't bother, all you gotta do is turn around in the thorax and get out of any scramblers range with the mwd. Without an mwd the caracal would easily be beat by the thorax, simply because the small blaster tank rax will last more then long enough to where you can get close enough to use all 8 ogres and all 5 blasters :) Which is, probobly the most damage/ per second a cruiser could do. =)
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.13 20:46:00 - [43] thorax>Maller>rupture>Moa> rest of cruisers caracal has no chances against a thorax, maller or rupture moa has problems with caracals Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.13 20:46:00 - [44] thorax>Maller>rupture>Moa> rest of cruisers caracal has no chances against a thorax, maller or rupture moa has problems with caracals Wanna fly with me?
laserc	Posted - 2004.11.15 00:44:00 - [45] Edited by: laserc on 15/11/2004 00:48:59 Imo the this is the rank of cruisers Thorax = Blackbird > Maller > Rupture > Moa Blackbird with some jammers is hard to beat unless you got a specialized ship, but generally the thorax can beat it because the drones still kill even though you are target jammed. An fof caracal could give the blackbirds some real problems though.
laserc	Posted - 2004.11.15 00:44:00 - [46] Edited by: laserc on 15/11/2004 00:48:59 Imo the this is the rank of cruisers Thorax = Blackbird > Maller > Rupture > Moa Blackbird with some jammers is hard to beat unless you got a specialized ship, but generally the thorax can beat it because the drones still kill even though you are target jammed. An fof caracal could give the blackbirds some real problems though.
Weirda	Posted - 2004.11.15 01:18:00 - [47] Originally by: laserc Edited by: laserc on 15/11/2004 00:48:59 Imo the this is the rank of cruisers Thorax = Blackbird > Maller > Rupture > Moa Blackbird with some jammers is hard to beat unless you got a specialized ship, but generally the thorax can beat it because the drones still kill even though you are target jammed. An fof caracal could give the blackbirds some real problems though. pffft.... Rupture > ALL CRUISERS - not even same ballpark. Don't get Weirda started again... But Weirda don't think that really help the OP much... OP should post a bit about preferred fighting style. Doesn't sound like he into PvP yet - so all of the other gibberish is pretty pointless (Caldari Cruisers DO suck though)... Thorax are fun though (not as fun as Minmatar Cruisers though) - though one thing to consider is that it's bonus (unfortunately like many Matari Cruiser) only apply to 60% of it's weapons. Celestis seem to make much more sense as a longer range cruiser (if that's your style). Thorax can pretty much do both well. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2004.11.15 01:18:00 - [48] Originally by: laserc Edited by: laserc on 15/11/2004 00:48:59 Imo the this is the rank of cruisers Thorax = Blackbird > Maller > Rupture > Moa Blackbird with some jammers is hard to beat unless you got a specialized ship, but generally the thorax can beat it because the drones still kill even though you are target jammed. An fof caracal could give the blackbirds some real problems though. pffft.... Rupture > ALL CRUISERS - not even same ballpark. Don't get Weirda started again... But Weirda don't think that really help the OP much... OP should post a bit about preferred fighting style. Doesn't sound like he into PvP yet - so all of the other gibberish is pretty pointless (Caldari Cruisers DO suck though)... Thorax are fun though (not as fun as Minmatar Cruisers though) - though one thing to consider is that it's bonus (unfortunately like many Matari Cruiser) only apply to 60% of it's weapons. Celestis seem to make much more sense as a longer range cruiser (if that's your style). Thorax can pretty much do both well. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.11.15 05:19:00 - [49] For race specific loadouts... Nafri is correct. Thinking out-side the box configs... all cruisers have a place in the game. It all comes down to you having fun with what you fly. Thorax is a mean ship but so is a Celestis. The celestis can do something a Thorax can't do : 3 X medium NOS, 2 malkuth heavy launchers MWD, 20km scrambler, F-B10 cap charger 1 small t2 armor rep, 4 cap relays 8 medium drones. 8 medium drones + 3 NOS and 2 Heavy Launchers can put a world of pain on a many frigate and cruisers. It can make life short of interceptors as well. Not that the Thorax can't do other, similar types of setups but solo this is a very viable solution for the Celestis. You can hang back at over 10km webby range and warp scramble while orbiting at high MWD speed. Break their Dura-Tank or high damage Cruiser setups while still eating their shields and armor with missiles and drones. IE, Thorax isn't the only kid on the block that can take on other ships... its just most people are sheep when it comes to layouts... and Thorax has a nobrainer ( that many people account for). -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.11.15 05:19:00 - [50] For race specific loadouts... Nafri is correct. Thinking out-side the box configs... all cruisers have a place in the game. It all comes down to you having fun with what you fly. Thorax is a mean ship but so is a Celestis. The celestis can do something a Thorax can't do : 3 X medium NOS, 2 malkuth heavy launchers MWD, 20km scrambler, F-B10 cap charger 1 small t2 armor rep, 4 cap relays 8 medium drones. 8 medium drones + 3 NOS and 2 Heavy Launchers can put a world of pain on a many frigate and cruisers. It can make life short of interceptors as well. Not that the Thorax can't do other, similar types of setups but solo this is a very viable solution for the Celestis. You can hang back at over 10km webby range and warp scramble while orbiting at high MWD speed. Break their Dura-Tank or high damage Cruiser setups while still eating their shields and armor with missiles and drones. IE, Thorax isn't the only kid on the block that can take on other ships... its just most people are sheep when it comes to layouts... and Thorax has a nobrainer ( that many people account for). -----
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.15 06:52:00 - [51] Calestis is probaply the most solid alround cruiser in the game, but Eve PvP simply isn't about alround ships, you need to have one specific function for your ship and equip it to perform 100% in that single role. I think the Calestis is a great ship and I fly one to do missions, but in PvP you need to be able to kill one single type of ship extremly well, while avoiding ships that are set up to kill you extremly well as far as I understand it.
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.15 06:52:00 - [52] Calestis is probaply the most solid alround cruiser in the game, but Eve PvP simply isn't about alround ships, you need to have one specific function for your ship and equip it to perform 100% in that single role. I think the Calestis is a great ship and I fly one to do missions, but in PvP you need to be able to kill one single type of ship extremly well, while avoiding ships that are set up to kill you extremly well as far as I understand it.

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